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Why doesn't anyone ever talk about the Japanese American internment camps of WW2?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    In school in Germany people learn all about WW1 and 2 and what led to those events. Part of the reason for this is to prevent that happening again. Japan has done sweet f-all to address the atrocities they have committed. Unit 731 was particularly disturbing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭thegreatgonzo


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    Why is this unethical decision never talked about? You often hear about unethical decisions on all sides of World War 2, but this is something I've only heard of recently. Is this something that people try hide away to protect the name of the US?

    No I've heard about it and Alan Parker made a film about it in the early 90's called Come see the Paradise.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭camel jockey


    It has been mentioned in numerous US made WW 2 films e.g. Midway http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074899/ is one obvious example that many people would have seen.

    I also recall watching an episode of the fictional series Cold Case in the last 6 months that related to one of the internees being murdered just after being released. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1135176/

    The internment camp was central to the story line. According to Wikipedia Cold Case Season 5 had average ratings in the US of 10.89 million viewers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_Case#U.S._television_ratings

    I think any suggestion that this is covered up or brushed under the carpet is misleading.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    Because they won.
    Because they spend more on their military than the next 10 countries combined.

    No sense pissing them off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭camel jockey


    UCDVet wrote: »
    Because they won.
    Because they spend more on their military than the next 10 countries combined.

    No sense pissing them off.

    Might is right.

    U S A

    U S A

    U S A


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    Might is right.

    U S A

    U S A

    U S A

    In fairness USA do lovely biscuits.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭camel jockey


    wazky wrote: »
    In fairness USA do lovely biscuits.

    Prefer the M & S Belgian Collection, or Jacobsens Danish Butter Cookies myself:

    http://www.jacobsens-bakery.com/en/showproducts/?site=jacobsens-bakery.dk/wproducts.nsf/prlinspstegnreadformogoglng=enogoggr=Traditionalogogcoll=jac#1buttercook190


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Japan has done sweet f-all to address the atrocities they have committed.

    That's not really true though, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan

    There's a perception that Japan never apologized or addressed their actions, but it's not really the case. Hell, even Article 9 of the Japanese constitution forbids them from going to war, or for them to maintain armed forces capable of going to war. Part of the problem now is that Shinzo Abe is being a prize clown about it and seemingly putting his foot in his mouth at every opportunity about WWII


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234



    *Droooooool*

    I adore, absolutely ADORE Danish butter cookies. like really, my Christmas is not complete without them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭camel jockey


    Links234 wrote: »
    *Droooooool*

    I adore, absolutely ADORE Danish butter cookies. like really, my Christmas is not complete without them.

    And they have more than a 2 year shelf life. I still have an unopened tin from last Christmas.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭cometogether


    Just shows how racist America was. No chance that second and third generation Germans were put in such camps!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    Just shows how racist America was. No chance that second and third generation Germans were put in such camps!

    Are Americans racist for treating them differently?
    Or are you racist for seeing race as the issue?

    Maybe the Americans would treat any country who attacked them, on their soil, during a time of peace? The German's didn't do that.

    Maybe if you weren't so racist, you wouldn't see skin colour as the only difference here?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭Carlos Orange


    Just shows how racist America was. No chance that second and third generation Germans were put in such camps!

    They interned some Germans and Italians but it wouldn't have been practical to intern them all, let alone everyone of German or Italian origin. The same way they didn't intern people of Japanese origin in Hawaii as they were ~30% of the population.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    I think the level of cruelty of some members of the Japanese army that came to light after the war have something to do with it. While Japanese people who lived in California did not obviously do this, it would be hard to have sympathy for poor living conditions considering things like Nanking or the way they treated prisoners of war. Its the same reason you don't hear about all the atrocities committed against German people after the second world war.l They were the bad guys, I know its not as simple as that but it contributes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 qaf


    Just shows how racist America was. No chance that second and third generation Germans were put in such camps!

    Who would make the beer? But seriously are you trying to argue that there was not widespread anti-German attitudes in the US because of WWI & WWII? The Japanese population was relatively small and based along the coast - the same place they feared they would be attacked. The German population numbered millions and was manly based in the interior and played a big role in industry. Not really a shocker that a settled population that played a big role in politics and was relatively wealthy would be treated different no matter what color they were.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    qaf wrote: »
    Who would make the beer? But seriously are you trying to argue that there was not widespread anti-German attitudes in the US because of WWI & WWII? The Japanese population was relatively small and based along the coast - the same place they feared they would be attacked. The German population numbered millions and was manly based in the interior and played a big role in industry. Not really a shocker that a settled population that played a big role in politics and was relatively wealthy would be treated different no matter what color they were.

    Well they were hardly going to intern Nimitz and Eisenhower ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    it's funny how the USA fought communism for so long but then had no problem taking money from communist China or having their goods produced there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    The Canadians also interned Japanese during WW2. Australia and New Zealand interned Italians, Germans and Japanese.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    I think this discussion needs to focus on what the Japanese did in China and South East Asia to their enemies rather than internment of Japanese on US soil.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,059 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    jank wrote: »
    I think this discussion needs to focus on what the Japanese did in China and South East Asia to their enemies rather than internment of Japanese on US soil.
    Why? That's not what the thread is about.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭5live


    jank wrote: »
    I think this discussion needs to focus on what the Japanese did in China and South East Asia to their enemies rather than internment of Japanese on US soil.
    Is there not a parallel in attitudes of superiority between both societies over what they considered their inferiors? Even if the extremes in behaviour was tempered somewhat in the US..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭tiger55


    In World War 2, the US put 110,000 people of Japanese ancestry into internment camps because they were afraid the Japanese were planning an attack on the west coast and had planted spies. 60+ percent of these people were American citizens.
    Why is this unethical decision never talked about? You often hear about unethical decisions on all sides of World War 2, but this is something I've only heard of recently. Is this something that people try hide away to protect the name of the US?

    God you have been brainwashed lol

    What about Germans and Italians?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German-American_internment

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian-American_internment

    Why has the media only highlighted the Japanese internment camps? Maybe the media is trying to demonise the evil white again?
    Surely not?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    Just shows how racist America was. No chance that second and third generation Germans were put in such camps!

    Actually my great grandfather who had a German last name, though we are not even German, had land confiscated from him in British colonial territory and he and his family were forced to evacuate to another colony near by. And no it was not returned.

    In war time, where you come from matters, heck even your surname matters.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    tiger55 wrote: »
    God you have been brainwashed lol

    What about Germans and Italians?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German-American_internment

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian-American_internment

    Why has the media only highlighted the Japanese internment camps? Maybe the media is trying to demonise the evil white again?
    Surely not?

    Doubtless you've another David Dukes video handy to explain it all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    qaf wrote: »
    I went to public school in the US and Japanese internment and the dropping of the bombs is one of the few things that I didn't feel they completely whitewashed. It even gets covered outside history class because Hiroshima was (at least when I went to school) a big part of English class one year and that 90s film about Japanese interment was shown and the whole issue discussed. People always see history from their own bias most of the time anyway even when exposed to information that might contradict that.

    I went to private school in the US and we covered it too. I get the impression WW2 outside of European involvement is outside of European consciousness.

    I wonder how many Irish get coverage of how much Marshall plan money they got even though it was/is a neutral country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭Carlos Orange


    I went to private school in the US and we covered it too. I get the impression WW2 outside of European involvement is outside of European consciousness.

    I wonder how many Irish get coverage of how much Marshall plan money they got even though it was/is a neutral country.

    It is hardly surprising Americans learn more American history than Europeans do.

    I think WW2 is covered in the leaving cert course so I wouldn't think many Irish people knew about the aid (mostly loans) given to neutral and axis countries and fewer still remember it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 dede12


    In World War 2, the US put 110,000 people of Japanese ancestry into internment camps because they were afraid the Japanese were planning an attack on the west coast and had planted spies. 60+ percent of these people were American citizens.
    Why is this unethical decision never talked about? You often hear about unethical decisions on all sides of World War 2, but this is something I've only heard of recently. Is this something that people try hide away to protect the name of the US?

    It certainly is talked about if you grew up in the US & generally people admit that it was a terrible decision based on on racism and propaganda rather than any threat. I grew up in the States & learned about it in high school & even before then most of us had heard of it from children's books - there are quite a few notable ones written from the perspective of kids in the camps & I'm fairly sure they were among the summer reading options from time to time.

    It's understandable that you guys might not hear about it as much simply because some American history is going to be edited out of Irish education the same way we don't learn extensively about Irish history in ours. Plus I do think there is a bit of a distinction between the internment camps & concentration camps - places like Auschwitz and Dachau were designed to kill, not to intern. While the American ones did have quite bad conditions, they were not camps designed to facilitate genocide, they were designed to essentially be 'holding pens.' While that doesn't excuse it, I do think that plus the fact that the US admits it was wrong and misguided means they don't remain in the public consciousness as much as the Nazi camps.

    And for the poster who said people of German heritage weren't treated badly during the war - while camps would have been unfeasible in the US (& essentially depopulated the midwest) people of recent German ancestry were certainly viewed with deep suspicion & subjected to bigotry as well. But then I think its important to realize these were different times. Not saying it wasn't wrong but racism between all ethnicity was common & accepted back then. All we can do from this point in history is acknowledge the mistakes of those ways of thinking, recognize it was wrong, & try to move away from it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭Filibuster


    Ireland North &South has a history of internment without trial for people they feel are a threat to the State


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    Filibuster wrote: »
    Ireland North &South has a history of internment without trial for people they feel are a threat to the State

    The UK and Ireland you mean? Actually only the internment by the UK could be seen to have an ethnic bias. Against the Irish.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭camel jockey


    it's funny how the USA fought communism for so long but then had no problem taking money from communist China or having their goods produced there

    Communist China? You're kidding, right? Totalitarian, yes. Communist? Not for a long time.


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