Why do so many people hate whats popular ?

Carlos Orange · 27-12-2013 06:27PM

Daqster wrote: »

I think what the OP means is that viewing figures for these shows are sky high but yet people seem not to like them when they are discussed, in disproportionate numbers.

What does sky high mean? In the UK X Factor gets ~15% audience share. 6 times as many people don't watch it as do. I imagine Ireland is much the same. Being a popular tv show doesn't mean you are particularly popular.

thegreatgonzo · 27-12-2013 06:29PM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

People always seem to feel the need to scoff and ridicule things that are popular but they themselves dont like. They write these things off as low brow crap liked by ignorant dopes. Xfactor, Mrs Browns Boys, Boybands, Soaps etc etc.

I find it difficult to have a sensible conversation with some people I know who are really into soaps. I don't hate those people but we'll never be more than friendly acquaintances. Also I find that same people that are really into a variety of the above stuff you mentioned are very quick to be sneery at what they consider my weird tastes in music film or whatever.

Daqster · 27-12-2013 06:30PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Different age groups using Boards to those watching the show.

I said Top Ten in the ratings. Did you miss that?

Femme_Fatale · 27-12-2013 06:30PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

I think a lot of people do it to stand out from the crowd. By making yourself different from a norm, you're basically saying you're above the norm, so what better way to show this by ranting against these trending norms. After all, isn't normal boring? It's basically people's way of saying they've seen the light whereas everyone else is labouring under delusion. It's a bragfest after that as to who can rant the best...

Oh yeh, it's real rebellious stuff to say you can't stand the X Factor/Mrs Brown's Boys - and not just expressing personal preference at all.

Artful_Badger · 27-12-2013 06:31PM

Muise... wrote: »

By saying that I think it's trash, not that is is definitively trash. It is entirely subjective and if we can't both see that before we talk, there'll be trouble. And yeah, I did phrase my broccoli thing positively because middle-child Christmas peacekeeping.

Ah but if you feel the need to keep the peace then you must understand that saying that the crown of broccoli is trash is different than saying you simply dont like it.

I have no problem if you think a show is rubbish or trash, as you say its a subjective opinion. But only when talking about whether or not you like it, its a definitive statement when talking about whether its of sufficient quality to be on TV. In the post I responded to before you posed the argument was that it was trash and low quality in terms of being broadcast at all. If there are enough viewers then people obviously want to watch it so its good enough for them. I find it arrogant then for someone to dismiss that and claim it is trash and shouldnt be on TV regardless of how many others want to watch it.

Femme_Fatale · 27-12-2013 06:31PM

Daqster wrote: »

I said Top Ten in the ratings. Did you miss that?

No. Something can be in the top 10 and still have huge amounts of detractors. Your assertion that people must be lying that they hate it (but secretly like it) is really ridiculous.

wretcheddomain · 27-12-2013 06:32PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Oh yeh, it's real rebellious stuff to say you can't stand the X Factor/Mrs Brown's Boys - and not just expressing personal preference at all.

There's a certain element to the mass of population who go against a particular programme/norm. That's not to say some individuals don't genuinely hold a distaste for the programme but that that's not a sufficient explanation for what the OP was describing.

OldRio · 27-12-2013 06:36PM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Because along with the hate of whats popular is hate of those who like whats popular. It never stops at "I hate that show" its always "I hate that show, its low brow crap for idiots". If you're that invested in something to actually hate it then you're gonna have a very lowly opinion of anyone who likes it.

And I have no time for anyone who think others are beneath them simply because they watch or listen to something different. If a group of idiots laughed at anyone here for watching some science show (I know people on here are sciency folks) we'd all to a man/woman be disgusted as such an ignorant display. Yet change it to something most here dont like and its all good, lets scoff at the losers watching stuff we wouldnt dream of watching.

I do not hate people who have different opinions to me. You certainly do.
You seem to jump to conclusions (highlighted above)
You are the one who seems to have a low opinion of people who have different views than yourself. A bit dodgy throwing stones in that glass house you built.

Banjoxed · 27-12-2013 06:37PM

I have no liking for Coronation Street etc but it would be fatuous in the extreme for me to criticise any of the millions across these islands that enjoy them. Unless of course one is a twit in the Market Bor trying to engineer society in one's own image.

wretcheddomain · 27-12-2013 06:39PM

I think people are missing the double standard going on here.

There's two bandwagons going on here. There's the popular bandwagon of celebrity culture and the popular bandwagon of anti-celebrity culture. Both groups are guilty of towing a line and both groups undermine the other and hold claim to the absolute truth. In this sense, there's not much separating both groups at all and the anti-celebrity group are just as populist in joining themselves together as the people interested in Strictly do on a Saturday night.

thegreatgonzo · 27-12-2013 06:40PM

Banjoxed wrote: »

I have no liking for Coronation Street etc but it would be fatuous in the extreme for me to criticise any of the millions across these islands that enjoy them. Unless of course one is a twit in the Market Bor trying to engineer society in one's own image.

What's wrong with the market bar???

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 27-12-2013 06:43PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

I think a lot of people do it to stand out from the crowd. By making yourself different from a norm, you're basically saying you're above the norm, so what better way to show this by ranting against these trending norms. After all, isn't normal boring? It's basically people's way of saying they've seen the light whereas everyone else is labouring under delusion. It's a bragfest after that as to who can rant the best...

Seriously?

Yes, normal is boring, you you're the one calling his stuff "normal". It's nothing to do with being "above the norm" - that's just assumptive bull**** and actually makes you sound hostile.

batman88 · 27-12-2013 06:43PM

People berating Mrs Brown Boys probably watched 10 mins of an episode and made up their mind then or are actually secret admirers of the show and watch it whenever its on but are too afraid to say they actually like it. Its not as bad as people are making it out to be and topped the UK viewing charts over Christmas. People like the X-Factor as well and I would watch it if nothing else is on the TV. I find it funny people making threads to criticize popular.

27-12-2013 06:44PM

Agricola wrote: »

Flip side of this is Love Hate. This is hugely popular but theres not this mass of people constantly deriding it and its fans. Why? Because its universally recognized as being of a very high standard, up there with the best US dramas. So popularity doesnt come into it. Good is good, end of. Mrs Brown and the X- Factor on the other hand...............

Really?

shane9689 · 27-12-2013 06:45PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

I think people are missing the double standard going on here.

There's two bandwagons going on here. There's the popular bandwagon of celebrity culture and the popular bandwagon of anti-celebrity culture. Both groups are guilty of towing a line and both groups undermine the other and hold claim to the absolute truth. In this sense, there's not much separating both groups at all and the anti-celebrity group are just as populist in joining themselves together as the people interested in Strictly do on a Saturday night.

youre creating that stereo type yourself, no one here said that they werent into popular things, everyone has pointed at certain elements but not pop culture as a whole. if anything, its a pick and mix of people going on, not a clear defined one or hte other as your making it out to be.

no one here said they are "anti-celebrity" some here stated their distaste of the xfactor and missis browne, but that was about it

wretcheddomain · 27-12-2013 06:46PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Seriously?

Yes, normal is boring, you you're the one calling his stuff "normal". It's nothing to do with being "above the norm" - that's just assumptive bull**** and actually makes you sound hostile.

Well, luckily I care little for whether you find my reasonable comments hostile. However, calling someone's post "assumptive bull***" appears far more hostile to me than anything I've written in my posts. Thus, I brand you a hypocrite.

If you knew anything about group psychology you'd understand how people can alter how they think of some norm because of some social pressure/orthodoxy present. This isn't assumptive, it's quite well understood. Again, there's exceptions to every rule but you're trying to understand a concept by focussing on the individual when in fact we're dealing with a society wide group behaviour.

Billy86 · 27-12-2013 06:46PM

Candie wrote: »

Actually, you're right. The X-Factor is in a realm of its own as far as humiliating the contestants goes, and it doesn't have much in the way of redeeming features. Some people do enjoy the competition side of it and getting behind their favourite, but it doesn't cancel out the undercurrent of cruelty it can have. It also rewards mediocrity, something I'm not keen on.

But the fact remains that lots of people find it really entertaining, watch it religiously, and get some enjoyment from it. It's not for me, for all the reasons above, but I don't have to watch it.

Lots of people dislike the X-factor for the reasons you detail. I know of more than a few who'll talk about how they hate it though, and then tell you they've never watched it. There's definitely a stance being taken sometimes, and that what irks me.

People also found prisoners being thrown to the lions in the Colusseum entertaining in Roman times

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My opinion with how 'connected' we are (and in turn the media and advertising is to us) means that they could make up any, ANY, programme and pump the crap out of it... and in turn it would become popular. You get shows like the HBO/AMC stuff that gradually gets more popular over time as people convince friends to watch it who become hooked in, and then you get the reality TV stuff that just gets rammed down on our throats all the time, non-stop, over extended periods of time. Tell people to like something often enough for long enough, and a lot will simply do as they're told. It's the same reason plenty of films flop... but hardly any highly hyped-up TV shows do.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 27-12-2013 06:47PM

batman88 wrote: »

People berating Mrs Brown Boys probably watched 10 mins of an episode and made up their mind then or are actually secret admirers of the show and watch it whenever its on but are too afraid to say they actually like it. Its not as bad as people are making it out to be and topped the UK viewing charts over Christmas. People like the X-Factor as well and I would watch it if nothing else is on the TV. I find it funny people making threads to criticize popular.

Actually, it was badly timed canned laughter every 3 second that did it for me.

thegreatgonzo · 27-12-2013 06:47PM

batman88 wrote: »

People berating Mrs Brown Boys probably watched 10 mins of an episode and made up their mind then or are actually secret admirers of the show and watch it whenever its on but are too afraid to say they actually like it. Its not as bad as people are making it out to be and topped the UK viewing charts over Christmas. People like the X-Factor as well and I would watch it if nothing else is on the TV. I find it funny people making threads to criticize popular.

No honestly I've seen at least 2 whole episodes of it and I just don't find it funny. It's not my type of humour. I have watched the x factor and will admit to enjoying Mary Byrne when she was on it but that's enough for me, I just can't watch the way they try to manipulate emotions with the sad back stories etc. It just does nothing for me. There are plenty other ways for me to spend an hour of my time.

[-0-] · 27-12-2013 06:49PM

I don't watch the aforementioned drivel because I don't have a TV, and I live in the states.
I don't listen to the radio because I don't like the crap that is played. I like trad music, The Dubliners, that sort of thing. If I remember to do it I'll tune into Clare FM's daily trad show but I rarely do this as I'm usually up the walls in work.

Eric Blair was right when he said the following:

Eric Blair wrote:

So long as they (the Proles) continued to work and breed, their other activities were without importance. Left to themselves, like cattle turned loose upon the plains of Argentina, they had reverted to a style of life that appeared to be natural to them, a sort of ancestral pattern...Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbors, films, football, beer and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult.

I never bang on about it though. That's just pointless. As long as it's not negatively impacting my life then I don't care what people do.

Pug160 · 27-12-2013 06:50PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Actually, it was badly timed canned laughter every 3 second that did it for me.

I thought it was recorded in front of a live audience?

Artful_Badger · 27-12-2013 06:50PM

OldRio wrote: »

I do not hate people who have different opinions to me. You certainly do.
You seem to jump to conclusions (highlighted above)
You are the one who seems to have a low opinion of people who have different views than yourself. A bit dodgy throwing stones in that glass house you built.

I dont hate anyone and I havent accused you of hating anyone. I think you and several other posters (Femme Fatale, I'm looking at you) have completely missed the point of this thread.

You're very first post you undone your own argument. You accused me of being critical of people who hated whats popular. My actual argument is that I have no problem with being critical or not liking something, my issue is with hating something because its popular and you dont like it and then looking down on people because of that.

This isnt something I'm getting solely from someone saying "I hate such a show". This is based on people I have seen saying that those who watch these shows are idiots/morons/simpletons/bottom feeders etc. These things have been actually said not just implied and this is what I have a problem with.

Yet you have no interest whatsoever of discussing it. Your entire contribution to this discussion has been to miss the point, get confused between criticism and abuse and then accuse me of throwing stones in glass houses by criticizing criticism. I've took the time to read and understand what you're saying and responding with a coherent argument, if you cant do the same then just dont bother responding.

Artful_Badger · 27-12-2013 06:53PM

thegreatgonzo wrote: »

I find it difficult to have a sensible conversation with some people I know who are really into soaps. I don't hate those people but we'll never be more than friendly acquaintances. Also I find that same people that are really into a variety of the above stuff you mentioned are very quick to be sneery at what they consider my weird tastes in music film or whatever.

I find it difficult to have conversations with a great many people into a great many things. I also find a great many people into a great many things very quick to sneer at people with different tastes.

I think a lot of people are just dicks no matter what they are into rather than a section of people defined by what they watch on TV.

batman88 · 27-12-2013 06:56PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Actually, it was badly timed canned laughter every 3 second that did it for me.

You watch a show for 3 seconds and make up your mind?:rolleyes: Its recorded in front of a live audience as well.
That's smart. You must not like anything on TV.

wretcheddomain · 27-12-2013 06:56PM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

I find it difficult to have conversations with a great many people into a great many things. I also find a great many people into a great many things very quick to sneer at people with different tastes.

I think a lot of people are just dicks no matter what they are into rather than a section of people defined by what they watch on TV.

I agree.

All we've heard from the other side are soundbites, insults, and dismissals. They've provided no attempt to engage with a very sensible question. They've misinterpreted it and have actually proven your first post correct by their behaviour in this thread.

There has been no substantive argument put forward by the other side and I think that says it all.

I await for the other side to quote and insult this post as that's what they appear to be excelling at.

Daqster · 27-12-2013 06:56PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

No. Something can be in the top 10 and still have huge amounts of detractors.

Eh, yes, we know, hence the thread.

Your assertion that people must be lying that they hate it (but secretly like it) is really ridiculous.

I said some people and why must my assertion be ridiculous, cause you say so?

People have been aligning themselves to opinions which they think will make them look good to their peers since time immemorial and will continue to do so. I'm very sorry you think all these people espousing their hatred for all things popular are genuine, as to me that shows an extreme level of naivety.

It's not just online, it's in the real world also. I am forever hearing people both, condemn the highly popular and attempt to align themselves with whichever opinion will show them in the best light to whomever's company they are keeping. It's my experience of how people operate as have rumbled so many.

It's not just entertainment that people do this with. It's also political viewpoints. Not much difference between being PC and aligning to what's seen as cool in the eyes of your peers in my view. Same type of people tend to be guilty of both. How others see them is what drives them in life.

Sheeple, fcuking scourge on humanity.

Billy86 · 27-12-2013 06:58PM

batman88 wrote: »

People berating Mrs Brown Boys probably watched 10 mins of an episode and made up their mind then or are actually secret admirers of the show and watch it whenever its on but are too afraid to say they actually like it.

I actually watched three episodes of it to try and give it a chance, and just couldn't take any more. I did the same back in the first season of Love/Hate (when it was getting tonnes of hatred) and said on the TV forum that it was just OK but showed potential to be pretty decent. I got accused of working for RTE.

So no, what you are saying it wildly inaccurate. But that's what happens when you make such broad generalisations - just like the guy who said only emotionally underdeveloped women and camp gay men like X-Factor, or that only idiots like MBB.

Deleted User wrote: »

Really?

That was a reach on the other posters part, but it's pretty decent (relatively speaking) and a massive step in the right direction for RTE. It's been picked up in Israel, Singapore, Brazil, Australia and NZ (and apparently is popular with the locals in the last two as well). I think I also heard murmurs of an American company looking to pick it up, possibly to re-do it as they did with the Office.

wretcheddomain · 27-12-2013 06:59PM

Daqster wrote: »

Eh, yes, we know, hence the thread.

I said some people and why must my assertion be ridiculous, cause you say so?

People have been aligning themselves to opinions which they think will make them look good to their peers since time immemorial and will continue to do so. I'm very sorry you think all these people espousing their hatred for all things popular are genuine, as to me that shows an extreme level of naivety.

It's not just online, it's in the real world also. I am forever hearing people both, condemn the highly popular and attempt to align themselves with whichever opinion will show them in the best light to whomever's company they are keeping. It's my experience of how people operate as have rumbled so many.

It's not just entertainment that people do this with. It's also political viewpoints. Not much difference between being PC and aligning to what's seen as cool in the eyes of your peers in my view. Same type of people tend to be guilty of both. How others see them is what drives them in life.

Sheeple, fcuking scourge on humanity.

This is probably post of the thread.

Sam Kade · 27-12-2013 07:00PM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

People always seem to feel the need to scoff and ridicule things that are popular but they themselves dont like. They write these things off as low brow crap liked by ignorant dopes. Xfactor, Mrs Browns Boys, Boybands, Soaps etc etc.

I'm not in anyway a fan of anything listed above btw, but imo I dont like them, I dont watch them/listen to them and thats as far as my involvement goes. Why do people hate these things and those who like them ?

Is it just an excuse to be arseholes with people in general just naturally assholes, is it a child like strop because all entertainment isnt what they want or are people just so up their own holes that they think anyone who doesnt agree with them are stupid ignorant idiots that must not be able to think at all ?

How about a new years resolution. You do your thing, let others do theirs and keep your ignorant, pompous, arrogant, hate filled opinions to yourselves.

Happy New Year.

So you started this thread to sneer at people who sneer at people :rolleyes:

wretcheddomain · 27-12-2013 07:02PM

Sam Kade wrote: »

So you started this thread to sneer at people who sneer at people :rolleyes:

What do you want him to do, praise them?

Why do so many people hate whats popular ?

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