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When did Boxing Day become St Stephen's day in Ireland?

  • 24-12-2013 10:48PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭


    Was listening to an account of life in Ireland pre the Great War on the radio the other day, and in particular life as it was in Dublin back then. With the Boxing day sales, the Boxing day Panto in the Gaiety, the Boxing day races, Switzers & Brown Thomas competing on Boxing Day, etc, all from Dublin media of the time.

    So I wonder when was the term Boxing Day dropped here? or was it a gradual fade out . . .

    Boxing Day, one of several origins for the name, including;
    A box to collect money for the poor was placed in Churches on Christmas day then opened the next day & distributed to the poor.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭Lenin Skynard


    I'd guess around the time when the brits were kicked out and the church took over. And it's actually "Stephenseses Day"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    too many people took it literaly after ten pints.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    You should move to Donegal, still Boxing Day here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 445 ✭✭rwg


    The day after christmas


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    It was always St Stephens day for me and I am fifty one.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭Mint Aero


    It didn't, bye now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Was listening to an account of life in Ireland pre the Great War on the radio the other day, and in particular life as it was in Dublin back then. With the Boxing day sales, the Boxing day Panto in the Gaiety, the Boxing day races, Switzers & Brown Thomas competing on Boxing Day, etc, all from Dublin media of the time.

    So I wonder when was the term Boxing Day dropped here? or was it a gradual fade out . . .

    Boxing Day, one of several origins for the name, including;
    A box to collect money for the poor was placed in Churches on Christmas day then opened the next day & distributed to the poor.


    Must have been after your lot lost the war of independence. Sure these things happen.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Catholic Christian thing Versus Reformation Christian thing LS. When the latter was in charge the old saints holidays were mostly removed and it was replaced by Boxing Day and when the former took over it reverted to Stephens' Day. Pre Reformation the British would have celebrated it. IIRC it's not so big a deal in nations that remained Catholic. It's there buried a bit, but basically just that day after Chrimbo.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,665 ✭✭✭baldbear


    I thought it was always St Stephen's day here. The wrenboys still go out in parts if the country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭mikeym


    Ask an old person.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,094 ✭✭✭wretcheddomain


    I prefer calling it the Post-Christmas Day - perfectly neutral.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    baldbear wrote: »
    I thought it was always St Stephen's day here.

    Well they did only mention Dublin in the discussion, so I guess it was just a Dublin thing back then, mind you, another poster has said that they still call it Boxing Day in Donegal, so I don't know.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    I prefer calling it the Post-Christmas Day - perfectly neutral.


    '...blarrrrgh

    *cough, cough, cough

    ...good jaysus....'

    is also common.


  • Posts: 11,734 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    why is it called boxing day if its mostly football on in the uk


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Day of the Wren is how I refer to it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    That's a Galway tradition, right?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    why is it called boxing day if its mostly football on in the uk

    Sky sports day


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    LordSutch wrote: »
    That's a Galway tradition, right?

    The Wren boys?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    It was never Boxing day in Ireland.

    St Stephen's Day has been a holiday in Ireland for hundreds of years as Lá Fhéile Stiofáin or Lá an Dreoilín. It became a public holiday following the Bank Holidays Act 1871.
    In some countries in Europe it's known as Second-Day Christmas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭aligator_am


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Was listening to an account of life in Ireland pre the Great War on the radio the other day, and in particular life as it was in Dublin back then. With the Boxing day sales, the Boxing day Panto in the Gaiety, the Boxing day races, Switzers & Brown Thomas competing on Boxing Day, etc, all from Dublin media of the time.

    So I wonder when was the term Boxing Day dropped here? or was it a gradual fade out . . .

    Boxing Day, one of several origins for the name, including;
    A box to collect money for the poor was placed in Churches on Christmas day then opened the next day & distributed to the poor.

    I'd assume it was when the British left and the church took over, when the seat of power in this country relocated to Maynooth.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    Daft as it may seem, to non-jackeens, Dublin pubs often, not only don't have the busiest day of the year on Stephens'es day, but are often closed all day. These people may call it boxing day in some kind of ironic way...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    The Wren boys?

    A Galway tradition, right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭moxin


    Daft as it may seem, to non-jackeens, Dublin pubs often, not only don't have the busiest day of the year on Stephens'es day, but are often closed all day. These people may call it boxing day in some kind of ironic way...

    Oi, it has always been St Stephens Day here in Dublin. We even have a park named after the saint :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭Sunhill




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Was listening to an account of life in Ireland pre the Great War on the radio the other day, and in particular life as it was in Dublin back then. With the Boxing day sales, the Boxing day Panto in the Gaiety, the Boxing day races, Switzers & Brown Thomas competing on Boxing Day, etc, all from Dublin media of the time.

    So I wonder when was the term Boxing Day dropped here? or was it a gradual fade out . . .

    Boxing Day, one of several origins for the name, including;
    A box to collect money for the poor was placed in Churches on Christmas day then opened the next day & distributed to the poor.


    You see Sutch you wouldn't know this because you stay out of unionist/republican threads but Ireland used to be part of the long dead British empire . We fought and won our freedom and like several post colonial colonies we got rid of the colonial terms and customs. Plus Boxing day is a sh1t name!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    biko wrote: »
    It was never Boxing day in Ireland.

    St Stephen's Day has been a holiday in Ireland for hundreds of years as Lá Fhéile Stiofáin or Lá an Dreoilín. It became a public holiday following the Bank Holidays Act 1871.

    Thanks for that, so then, I presume the term Boxing Day was only used as a slang term by the Dublin media of the time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Tbh, I think a lot of people around Dublin just use it because they've seen it in US and UK films/TV. They also say football for soccer and elevator for lift.
    Dublin would be a city more influenced from the empire next door whereas the west coast wasn't impacted as much.
    Old Irish traditions and word usage are stronger in for instance Kerry, Galway, Cork and so on.

    On this note, but from Scotland


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    LordSutch wrote: »
    A Galway tradition, right?

    Still common practice where I live in Tipperary, they come into bars and shake down the clientele for change on the 26th. It's for charity or so they say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,450 ✭✭✭Morag


    and still done in Kerry


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wren_Day
    It is theorised that the Wren celebration has descended from Celtic mythology.[2] Ultimately, the origin may be a Samhain or midwinter sacrifice and/or celebration, as Celtic mythology considered the Wren a symbol of the past year (the European wren is known for its habit of singing even in mid-winter, and sometimes explicitly called "Winter Wren"); Celtic names of the Wren (draouennig, drean, dreathan, dryw etc.) also suggest an association with druidic rituals. The tradition may also have been influenced by Scandinavian settlers during the Viking invasions of the 8th-10th Centuries. Various associated legends exist, such as a Wren being responsible for betraying Irish soldiers who fought the Viking invaders by beating its wings on their shields, in the late first and early second millennia, and for betraying the Christian martyr Saint Stephen, after whom the day is named. This mythological association with treachery is a possible reason why the bird was hunted by Wrenboys on St. Stephen's Day, and/or why a pagan sacrificial tradition was continued in Christian times. Despite the abandonment of the wren killing practice, devoted Wrenboys continue to ensure that the Gaelic tradition of celebrating the Wren continues although it is no longer widespread.[3]

    Similar traditions of hunting the Wren have been claimed to have been reported to have been performed on the Isle of Man on New Year's Day and in Pembrokeshire, Wales on Twelfth Day (6 January)[4] and, on the first Sunday of December in parts of Southern France, including Carcassonne. [5] The custom has been revived in Suffolk, by Pete Jennings and the Old Glory Molly Dancers and has been performed in the village of Middleton, every Boxing Day evening since 1994.[6]

    In Galicia, Spain, "Caceria del rey Charlo" ("Chase of king Charles") was performed. The inhabitants of Vilanova de Lourenza would chase down a wren and, after tying it to a pole, would parade it and show it to the abbot of the local monastery, who would proceed then to offer them food and drink and appoint two leaders of local town council out of the four candidates proposed by the neighbours. This tradition has been recorded since the XVIth century.[7] The sources are somewhat misleading about the date, since they claim it was "New Year`s Day" but it might mean "The day after Christmas", which was regarded back then to signal the end of the year[8]


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    You should move to Donegal, still Boxing Day here.

    What part of Donegal? I've often been corrected, and told it was St Stephens day when I ever called it Boxing day. Was reminded I was no longer in Britain, but in Ireland.


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