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it-was-great-while-it-lasted-ireland-but-it-s-time-to-say-goodbye ARTICLE

  • 24-12-2013 10:12PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭


    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/it-was-great-while-it-lasted-ireland-but-it-s-time-to-say-goodbye-1.1636140

    What do you think?

    If I hear an ounce of 'god riddance' I am going to groan.

    I hate to hear this kind of story.

    Immigrants have contributed to the life and culture of this country in the last few years and it is not their fault it is in economic strife.

    I would hate to lose my friends from abroad.

    I would hate to think other Irish people were treating them with less intimacy.
    It is hard to look in the mirror and to remain dispassionate. But it can be extremely rewarding. So, are we to 'screw our courage to the sticking place' or are we to retreat into defensiveness and denial?

    I feel Irish people retreat into denial many times as regards the state of our behaviors.

    My question is how do we stop racism in times of stress?

    Also how do we keep from becoming a hard nosed country with no magic or compassion?

    I expect to see many hard noses in responses here to be honest.


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭Mint Aero


    I'm a bit drunk and on the phone so didn't read the article but best of luck to them. I'm sure they love their motherland and enjoy being back, keep in touch skype facebook etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    Ahh, stick on the kettle and give it a year or two. The mood in Irelands like the weather - changeable. Better times will be back along in a bit and we'll stop whinging and moaning. You don't dump the missus cos she's in bad form for a week or two - hang in there and buy flowers.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,554 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    god she sounds like an insufferable twat

    --edit

    haha, twat isn't in the filter. awesome


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    WTF? Why the hell did his parents decide to call him Bryan O’Brien and then **** with the spelling of the first name? Just how much were they trying to piss the kid off?

    ETA: the photographer credited at the start of the article.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,396 ✭✭✭Frosty McSnowballs


    Lou.m wrote: »
    If I hear an ounce of 'god riddance' I am going to groan.
    Lou.m wrote: »
    I would hate to think other Irish people were treating them with less intimacy.
    Lou.m wrote: »
    I feel Irish people retreat into denial many times as regards the state of our behaviors.
    Lou.m wrote: »
    I expect to see many hard noses in responses here to be honest.
    Lou.m wrote: »
    What do you think?

    I think you don't like us Irish people


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,250 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Ahh, stick on the kettle and give it a year or two. The mood in Irelands like the weather - changeable. Better times will be back along in a bit and we'll stop whinging and moaning. You don't dump the missus cos she's in bad form for a week or two - hang in there and buy flowers.

    Ah here, what's that now....

    *runs to the door to tell the wife to come back*


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    I-don't-know-about-your-problem, but-what-I-do-know,is-that-this-whole-lines-in-between-words-thing-is-annoying.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    I think you don't like us Irish people

    I must be self loathing then ...I am Irish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,396 ✭✭✭Frosty McSnowballs


    Lou.m wrote: »
    I must be self loathing then ...I am Irish.

    Looks like it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    Lou.m wrote: »
    I must be self loathing then ...I am Irish.
    And yes sometimes I don't like us ....in fact most of us spend a lot of time moaning passive aggressively about ourselves.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,396 ✭✭✭Frosty McSnowballs


    Lou.m wrote: »
    And yes sometimes I don't like us ....in fact most of us spend a lot of time moaning passive aggressively about ourselves.

    Happy Christmas


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    I think your responses prove her right. Hard nosed and so lacking. The non plus attitude of some of this generation in Dublin.

    There is a sadness and bitterness in many in Ireland now. They have countrified manners and not in a good way.

    We are talking about an escalation in racism in a different economic climate and people's reaction is '**** em'.

    It is not a thinking person's response.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    Happy Christmas
    Ah well not all are bad.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    Ná buaileadh an doras do thóin ar do bhealach amach.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    I can only speak for myself, and as irrational as it sounds....for me....it was the damn GNIB card price increases...

    It might be silly, but that jump from 150 euro to 300 euro was what convinced my wife and I to head home and not go forward with the citizenship/naturalization process.

    Love the country, love Dublin (though I wouldn't mind avoiding DublinBus), and the people have been nothing but welcoming (I'm not quite so annoying in person). There is a lot to like....but financially....I feel like a walking ATM these days. Everywhere I look, there is another fee, another tax, another fare increase, a new this, that, and the other thing.

    Most of them, I feel like you can kind of justify. But a 100% increase to the GNIB card, four years after a 50% increase....maddening. And if you have never gone to the GNIB - maybe you won't understand, but it's the worst experience I've had in my time here. You show up at 9am and they are done for the day and send you home. You show up at 7am and there is a line wrapped around the building. They are understaffed and the ones that are there would rather be somewhere else. Last time it took me three attempts and a five hour wait before I got the privilege of paying 300 euro and the guy didn't even bother to look at the paperwork I'd spent the better part of a day chasing down and filling out.

    And most fees, they go to the ones that can pay. But the GNIB increase hits a lot of people without a lot of money. I know quite a few students tried to protest but, well, it went exactly as you'd expect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,064 ✭✭✭yosser hughes


    It reads like a secondary school student essay. Why the Irish Times saw fit to publish it is beyond me.
    She had a good time, then not such a good time and then characterises an entire nation with what she has experienced. It's bizarre that it's in a national newspaper. Some Irish people are not nice and some are. Move on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭Retrovertigo


    Is-your-spa-ce-bar-brok-en-?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    Is-your-spa-ce-bar-brok-en-?

    NO-IT-EMMIGRATED


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    NO-IT-EMMIGRATED
    Good riddance :pac: Feckin space-bars, coming over here filling our pages.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    It reads like a secondary school student essay. Why the Irish Times saw fit to publish it is beyond me.
    She had a good time, then not such a good time and then characterises an entire nation with what she has experienced. It's bizarre that it's in a national newspaper. Some Irish people are not nice and some are. Move on

    The times publish J Waters, so little suprises me.

    ...what's most odd is that she wasted an opportunity to tell her story and highlight what problems she experienced, in a national respected paper.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    Nodin wrote: »
    The times publish J Waters, so little suprises me.

    ...what's most odd is that she wasted an opportunity to tell her story and highlight what problems she experienced, in a national respected paper.


    Completely of topic :D but on page three of the times today there is a picture of me walking back down the south bull wall yesterday, sorry OP it's not everyday I get into the Irish Times.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭bluefinger


    it's not me it's you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭camel jockey


    OP, where in this 'article' is the racism of which you speak?

    Note: I use the term 'article' quite loosely, hence the quotes.

    Sounds like an economic migrant that chose to come here and has now chosen to move elsewhere. Hardly worthy of an 'article' in the so called paper of record.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 960 ✭✭✭cletus van damme


    Lou.m wrote: »
    I think your responses prove her right. Hard nosed and so lacking. The non plus attitude of some of this generation in Dublin.

    There is a sadness and bitterness in many in Ireland now. They have countrified manners and not in a good way.

    We are talking about an escalation in racism in a different economic climate and people's reaction is '**** em'.

    It is not a thinking person's response.

    The article is a generalisation of ireland over a period of time. I don't recognise that ireland despite living here all my life.

    Some people behaved as she descibed but ireland didn't.

    I'm sorry she had negative experiences but when we work hard and see feck all for our money , health cuts, no jobs...etc...and did I mention those bondholders! - it's a bit much to expect us to be cheery all the time.
    She is being unrealstic.
    but that said her article isn't what I recognise in irish people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    I love how thin skinned some of the comments are below the article :pac:.....

    I get this image of a 2 year old crying from some of the replies :rolleyes:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Dear Natasha,
    The only reason we were 'full of spunk' was cos Fianna Fail had been riding us.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 277 ✭✭BBJBIG


    Nodin wrote: »
    It's vague waffle and not worth a ****, tbh.

    Well ... the author of the article trained as a Doctor in Oireland.
    So, what is the problem ?
    I thought Oireland needed Doctors ?

    Especially, a Doctor who trained in Oireland - and not something imported from the Black Hole of Calcutta - barely speaking English and whose Qualifications are questionable and not quite up to the mark.

    Sure ... times have been a little difficult and will continue to be so for a while.
    But there is a possibility that things could be beginning to take a turn for the better. Maybe the picture will become clearer sometime Next Year.

    That article is just sh1t stirring, if you ask me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    What do some people expect? That all immigrants come here and see how perfect Ireland is? Yeah right. Having lived abroad myself I experienced the same thing from people there telling me how wonderful their country was compared to everywhere else. Everywhere has good and bad points.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭irritablebaz


    good luck to her on her travels, i think she will find nowhere is perfect and racism lies everywhere.


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