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Dealing with scumbags??

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  • #92
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,950 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Fair play OP, would probably freeze up myself.


  • #93
    moxin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭moxin


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Is there really that many junkies (as in heroin down in dublin. Being from up north I don't think I've ever seen a smack head on the street up here.

    Surely dublin hasn't really that many junkies??

    There is about 1.2m people in Dublin city and the suburbs, of that about maybe 10,000 or so are addicted to heroin. Of that a smaller number would be of the scummer type who rob people and property to feed their habit. Most would be congregating in the city centre as thats where the drug clinics(to get methadone) are located. And some actually live in flat complexes located conveniently in the central district.

    If the drug clinics were moved to where most of the addicts lived in the burbs, it will reduce the crime spree quite a bit in the city centre. Ironically, at night most junkies go back home to the burbs and their replacement is lager louts :pac:


  • #94
    Stained Class
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Stained Class


    He didn't ask for a selfie?:D

    I'd like to think I'd have done the same. Still, hard to know till your in the situation.

    One thing I do know that, if I saw this happen to my sister/wife etc....I'd have been arrested for something.


  • #95
    TireeTerror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭TireeTerror


    I'm delighted to hear this story. Over the last few weeks I've more or less stopped reading the Irish press national and local because I'm sick of reading about break-ins and robberies. Its depressing and one might end up a paranoid wreck to leave the house.

    I'm sure like many others, we have imagined what we might have done in a similar situation. I almost certainly wouldn't have stopped, and I would have held him until the police came. He would probably have got a small punishment, but at least if he was in the cells overnight, he had a little bit less time to try and ruin someone else's Christmas. It's when I think of my girlfriend out and about that I worry about these stories.


  • #96
    somuj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 907 ✭✭✭somuj


    You shud have dragged him down an alley way and paid one or six of his junkie mates to repeatly violate him while you sat their laughing and eatiing a bag of Taytos.


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  • #97
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    StinkyMunkey wrote: »
    In fairness it was your civic duty to smack the little scrot, I'm very disappointed in you.

    I'm disappointed too. It's just that he was so much smaller than myself that I couldn't do it with so many people around. I agree that the socially responsible thing to do would have been to break his legs to put him out of action for a while and cut his testicles off to stop him from creating more criminal offspring but I was in a good mood at the time and also very unfamiliar with beating the crap out of people (I play gaa football and hurling and used to box but they are sports. Drunken street-fighting is something else entirely).

    I do agree with you, though, in all seriousness. The right thing to do, which I know from hindsight, would have been to poll-axe the scrote over a railing and down a basement. For every mugger disabled, there's hundreds of people who won't be victims.


  • #98
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    Well done OP. I've only been encountered like that once before. I was walking in Tallaght at night and a bunch of thugs came up and said "give me your wallet". In a sense I was so shocked that I didn't know what to do, just blanked them, sighed and walked right by. They didn't know what to do with themselves and didn't follow me but looking back, it was a kind of reckless thing for me to do considering what could have happened. I'd like to say I'd fight back but sometimes the thoughts of being bloodied up doesn't make it worth the tenner in my back pocket. Really depends on the situation I suppose, sometimes you just get an intuition for when someone is all talk and when they're nuts.


  • #99
    anncoates
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Is there really that many junkies (as in heroin down in dublin. Being from up north I don't think I've ever seen a smack head on the street up here.

    Surely dublin hasn't really that many junkies??

    Not really as much as AH would have you to believe but it's definitely an issue in parts of the city centre and along the Luas red line.. And much more visible than the likes of Belfast.


  • #100
    KTRIC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,347 ✭✭✭KTRIC


    Ahhhh hee-urrr leave it Ouuuu !!


  • #101
    mfceiling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,988 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Glad you gave him a belt OP.

    If it makes him think for a millisecond in future when he sees someone then it's no harm. It would be great if every time one of the degenerates tried something on that they got a belt on the jaw.


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  • #102
    blue onion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 ✭blue onion


    Nobody find it strange that 26 minutes after an altercation that the story was posted on boards?


  • #103
    WhatNowForUs?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 687 ✭✭✭WhatNowForUs?


    blue onion wrote: »
    Nobody find it strange that 26 minutes after an altercation that the story was posted on boards?

    Surprised it took over 5 mins.


  • #104
    djPSB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭djPSB


    Well done.

    Taking out your phone in those areas is bad news though.


  • #105
    SpaceTime
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    I think at this stage we need a shake up of the self-defence laws to protect victims fully in the event they do have to deal with something like this.

    Most cities and town centres have good CCTV coverage, so if you do have to defend yourself at least you'd be able to pull coverage of who started it.

    It's like they think everyone will just run away and that's probably why they've become so brazen!

    I got mugged in Bilbao (Northern Spain) a few years ago. A guy grabbed my wallet and pushed me (wearing a heavy back pack) against the wall. I'm 6'3"+ and gave chase swinging a rucksack at him and shouting abuse as loud as possible. I was accompanied by two similarly sized US guys who saw what happened. A passing spanish granny then clobbered him with an umbrella! The guy flung the wallet at me and legged it.

    I think this is what would have happened in Ireland 20+ years ago. But these days, everyone's terrified of these guys for no apparent reason and they all think they're "Nidge" or something.

    As a society, we're allowing ourselves to be bullied. Same with the British, the French and quite a few other EU countries and to a large extent the Americans (who tend to go paranoid and invest in vast amounts of guns and security for an often non-existent perceived threat that they've convinced themselves is out there like the bogieman).

    It's time we snapped out of being so fearful of these bluffers.

    There needs to be some kind of creative sentencing too in terms of unpleasant community service orders backed by the threat of actual proper jail.
    I'm not in favour of wasting jail space on petty crime, but I think alternatives need to be come up with.

    I'm sure if you sat down a team of psychologists something could be dreamt up that might be sufficiently off-putting without being actually nasty or of questionable human rights status.


  • #106
    timthumbni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    Mr Williams wrote: »
    We need more Charles Bronson types in Ireland.


    The best part of that clip was how he excused himself from the dinner table. If you are going to blow a couple of street punks away then the very least you can do is excuse yourself from the dinner table. Lol.


  • #107
    Grand Moff Tarkin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Grand Moff Tarkin


    Seaneh wrote: »
    He was too quick.

    Nearly caught him with an all mighty kick in the hole as he was turning to run away.

    The book is still in perfect nick too, so all is well that ends well.

    I love feel good news this time of year.


  • #108
    timthumbni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    anncoates wrote: »
    Not really as much as AH would have you to believe but it's definitely an issue in parts of the city centre and along the Luas red line.. And much more visible than the likes of Belfast.

    I've haven't been in dublin for many years but when I return I have learned from on here that the luas red line is one site to be avoided. Lol.

    Belfast is a fair bit smaller thAn dublin and though we do have a few alcoholic street drinkers I can't recall ever seeing anyone who I would consider as a junkie.

    You aren't even that likely to get accosted in Belfast re mugging etc. That maybe is a leftover from the troubles as it's probably best not to pick on random people in Belfast in case you pick on the wrong one. I would feel pretty safe walking about Belfast late at night on my own.

    There would be a fair few digging matches at closing time but normally if you keep away from that you wouldn't be dragged in. (In saying that I am fairly well built so rarely would anyone come near me anyway)

    From reading these boards in not sure that I would be that comfortable walking about dublin city centre on my own. Unless I had a tooled up Charlie Bronson by my side. Ha.


  • #109
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    One thing I do wish we could do on Boards is separate "summer" from "junkie". Plenty of scammers have no drugs problems at all and are just nasty gobsh!tes by nature, while there are plenty of addicts who by and large don't hassle anyone at all.

    By attaching the drugs label to this behaviour by default, we enable sh!te like the case of the guy who stole my phone getting off in court because, as an addict, it's clearly not his fault that he had dozens of previous convictions.
    Drug use and assault are separate issues and one will NEVER excuse the other, no matter how harrowing someone's story might be. Mugging and pick pocketing aren't ok regardless of why someone is doing it.


  • #110
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    Seaneh wrote: »
    Ok, about 25 minutes ago, I had an altercation with a scumbag.

    He was one of the shiny tracksuit clad sub cretinous types that populate the north inner city, especially along the luas line and quays.

    I got to the Jervis luas stop just as the tram was pulling away. I looked at the sign for the next tram and it wasn't due for about 5 minutes so I thought "feck it, I'll walk to the four courts and get rather than waiting around".

    Off I saunter fro jervis, I crossed the road at the junction with caple street and briefly contemplated popping into Cyclebike for a look around at the pretty bikes.

    Cross back over a little further up the road. Had my phone in my hand and was about to put it into my pocket. little prick coming by me attempts to grab the phone out of my hand. He fails,and I shove it into my pocket.

    He, in embarrassment or whatever, stops his run (he was running past me) and comes back and faces me and says "Give me the ****ing phone or I'll ****ing clock ya" or something to that effect.

    Now, those of you who have met me know I am not a small man. While average height, I'm not average weight and I'm far from shy. This fellow was about my height but about 10 stone weight and as far as I could tell, had no weapon.

    In my other hand at the time, in a paper easons bag was a copy of the new Alex Ferguson biography which mammy seaneh had asked me to pick up for her as a gift for one of their friends who is a man united fanatic.

    As the little scummer is getting in my face I raise my hands (with the book in my right hand now) and say "not happening bud, walk on, I don't want any hassle".

    Little prick gets closer and I instinctively smacker him across the bridge of the nose with the book quickly followed by another smack across the side of the head with the book and a well drawn left boot to the bollocks.

    He bends over in pain and them scarpers off shouting back "you're ****ing dead, I'll get you, I'll remember you".

    If he had a weapon I would have just given him the phone, no sense in taking the risk. But seeing as I thought I could atleast hold me own with him, I decided "**** this" and defended myself and my possessions as is allowed by the law.

    How would you react in a similar situation?

    These are the type of situations people should prepare for.

    Size up the situation fast. If stand and fight is an option go for it.

    Scumbag on his own. Hit fast hit hard. It is the last thing he/she will be expecting. ( doesn't matter if culprit is female. If she want's to play big boy games then all is fair and square).
    If they go to the ground then finish with one good kick between the legs.

    Two scumbags. Be a little bit more careful but get in very hard and quick. Then go.


  • #111
    GingerFire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭GingerFire


    i'm such a chicken i have no idea what i'd do..
    but fair play to ya's lads..


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  • #112
    anncoates
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    timthumbni wrote: »
    I've haven't been in dublin for many years but when I return I have learned from on here that the luas red line is one site to be avoided. Lol.

    Belfast is a fair bit smaller thAn dublin and though we do have a few alcoholic street drinkers I can't recall ever seeing anyone who I would consider as a junkie.

    You aren't even that likely to get accosted in Belfast re mugging etc. That maybe is a leftover from the troubles as it's probably best not to pick on random people in Belfast in case you pick on the wrong one. I would feel pretty safe walking about Belfast late at night on my own.

    There would be a fair few digging matches at closing time but normally if you keep away from that you wouldn't be dragged in. (In saying that I am fairly well built so rarely would anyone come near me anyway)

    From reading these boards in not sure that I would be that comfortable walking about dublin city centre on my own. Unless I had a tooled up Charlie Bronson by my side. Ha.

    I lived in Belfast for a few years and the City centre definitely feels like a safer city at street level than Irish or English cities of comparable size.


  • #113
    NATLOR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭NATLOR


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    I have no time for the "Just walk away" crowd. Thats the type of bull**** that years later leads to a society where people walk away when they hear screams from a woman down an alleyway, its cowardly rubbish.

    Anyway, I am lucky enough to be well built, so in a case like the OP I will just deck the runt. And if he pulls a knife then he'd better know how to use it.
    Im well able to handle myself but depending on the situation my wife and kids would be quite happy for me to be a member of the 'walk away crowd' they come first, end of story


  • #114
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    blue onion wrote: »
    Nobody find it strange that 26 minutes after an altercation that the story was posted on boards?

    No I don't ,The OP adrenalin would be still pumping and it's a great story to share...


  • #115
    [-0-]
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭[-0-]


    Probably the only good use that book will ever be used for. :)

    Fair play though. I've had a few similar encounters in Ireland. I battered a skanger who tried to jump me. About 10 of his mates were around the corner watching and as soon as I hit him they ran for me. I got into a taxi just in time, so you really do have to be careful.


  • #116
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Ha, my OP is post of the day.

    Think it's my first one ever.


  • #117
    robertxxx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭robertxxx


    Great post OP, i love these storys!! one two uniflu


  • #118
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    It's what Fergie would have wanted.

    Yes, turn defence into attack.


  • #119
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    anncoates wrote: »
    I lived in Belfast for a few years and the City centre definitely feels like a safer city at street level than Irish or English cities of comparable size.

    It's Christmas Eve. I'll let it go.


  • #120
    kreuzberg09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 ✭kreuzberg09


    Seaneh wrote: »
    Ha, my OP is post of the day.

    Think it's my first one ever.

    So this is just an attempt to plug Fergie's book - sales must be bad


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  • #121
    anncoates
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    It's Christmas Eve. I'll let it go.

    Your langer?


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