Incompetent medical staff

cabledude · 22-12-2013 09:56PM

goose2005 wrote: »

No, an MD also requires a postgraduate course. Most doctors are MB BCh BAO, bachelors of medicine, surgery, obstetrics and gynaecology.

A PhD and a postgade course are not necessarily the same thing.

donegal__road · 22-12-2013 10:09PM

2 tips if you are ever in hospital..

Bring in a laptop and try and find cricket online, doctors will be in and out to your room every 20 minutes.

On your personal details sheet, say that one of your occupations is a free lance journalist.

Aoifums · 22-12-2013 10:22PM

One of the psychiatrists in my local mental health clinic is atrocious. Luckily, I only saw her once. On top of being vague and not asking half the questions that she should have asked, she couldn't even fill out a prescription form. I tried to complain but the consultant completely brushed me off (she was horrible anyway) and it was very hard to find the person who could actually process my complaint.

jgr12 wrote:

The reaction I got there was exactly why I was so afraid to seek help for so long, I'm just lucky that I have an excellent gp. The thing that frightens me the most about that place is how easy it is for a doctor there to just dismiss people and if they give out or get upset over how they're treated the response is just "well you're mentally ill"

That sounds unfortunate but completely believable.

camel jockey · 22-12-2013 10:25PM

Nigerian scammer. Perhaps he wasn't making enough from 419 scams and decided to try his hand as a doctor.

Glad to see that his subsequent visa application was refused.

fatherted1969 · 23-12-2013 01:48AM

I was sent to company doctor after a weight fell on me in work. Doctor said i'd a soft tissue injury and prescribed painkillers and physio. 4 weeks into physio and she says there must be more wrong with me and sent letter to doctor to send me for xray. Turned out i'd broken my back in 2 places. Went into brace for 6 months. Doctors eh

HomelessMidge · 23-12-2013 02:00AM

My GP diagnosed me with a viral infection in my throat. I had leukemia!

SeaDaily · 23-12-2013 02:25AM

dreamers75 wrote: »

Was told by 5 consultants in Tallaghts ICU that my father had 24 hours left to live. They turned off his machines and told us to plan a funeral. His lungs had failed and he couldnt breathe without a ventilator, his kidneys failed and he couldnt live without a dialsys machine. They said a heart attack would kill him shortly.

3 months ago..........still going after they turned off the machines...he had no interest in their diagnosis.....they changed their mind 3 days after they turned off the machine possibly doing more damage to him.

Told us rehab and he be out in the new year.

Told us yesterday he would never leave the hospital.

downloading MOTD to stick on a tablet for him to watch morrow.

What point is this meant to proof? All this shows is that your dad has been very lucky and overcome the odds to survive. He must be a fighter. You can in no way imply from this the medical care was poor? What, do you think they were lying to you? Do you think they wanted him to die? Get over yourself and be glad your father is still alive.

Most people here seem to forget that doctors are in fact still human and as such are liable to make mistakes. This is only made worse by the horrendous working conditions they must endure if operating in Ireland.

SeaDaily · 23-12-2013 02:27AM

evosteo wrote: »

my mother went to the doctor with bad headaches and dizziness, she was prescribed migraine tablets, she went back a few weeks later for a repeat prescription as the pain was getting worse, junior doctor was on and straight away didn't like the look of her, sent her straight up to hospital. she was diagnosed with a terminal brain tumour

i have also had numerous issues with doctors including them sending me home with a broken foot.

i agree there are a lot of good doctors out there who love their job and are good at it but there are a hell of a lot incompetent ones just in the game for the money:mad:

Lol at the money part. You mustn't know any doctors if you think anyone would be stupid enough to be a doctor for the money.

cassid · 23-12-2013 02:31AM

My little baby was unwell and brought them into A&E, was told it was an infection and expect it to get much worse before it would get better and told, new mums are such worriers!!, brought baby home, and they were still unwell, brought them back 6 hours later and it was bacterial meningitis. Consultant said if we waited another few hours if he would have died.

SeaDaily · 23-12-2013 02:35AM

cassid wrote: »

My little baby was unwell and brought them into A&E, was told it was an infection and expect it to get much worse before it would get better and told, new mums are such worriers!!, brought baby home, and they were still unwell, brought them back 6 hours later and it was bacterial meningitis. Consultant said if we waited another few hours if he would have died.

Are you using this as an example of good or bad medical care? From what I've read your child is still alive and a consultant saved their life. Seems like a happy ending to me.

gctest50 · 23-12-2013 02:42AM

More straightforward one for you :

Asked one to do a blood glucose test

- they went "Oh, it's high because you had Coca-cola" - sent me on my way
- >27.5 is more than a bit high

Not being able to use the tools of your trade is something else

robjones1981 · 23-12-2013 02:47AM

Doctors still working 75 plus hours a week and 32 hours a shift with no break at all - there are bound to be mistakes

Quazzie · 23-12-2013 03:03AM

SeaDaily wrote: »

Lol at the money part. You mustn't know any doctors if you think anyone would be stupid enough to be a doctor for the money.

So doctors don't earn good money?#

ProfessorPlum · 23-12-2013 03:05AM

Quazzie wrote: »

So doctors don't earn good money?#

Their hourly rate is pretty ****e alright. Wouldn't do it if you paid me. Oh yeah - that's the thing. They don't actually pay them for a lot if it.

cassid · 23-12-2013 03:08AM

SeaDaily wrote: »

Are you using this as an example of good or bad medical care? From what I've read your child is still alive and a consultant saved their life. Seems like a happy ending to me.

he's alive thank God, no thanks to the original doctors who saw him and diagnosed a viral infecion. But he has long term health problems associated with having meningitis, he has spent so much of his life in hospital with major problems. It is was picked up earlier his life could have been much different.

lillycool · 23-12-2013 03:45AM

One thing from experience that really struck me about the Health system here and the two-tier system that we have .... I had a consultation a few years ago with an apparently great consultant privately who coincidentally had also treated a family member, great recommendations from her and he was lovely to me, it was nothing serious in the end but great service. I was really happy with the process.
A couple of months later - a GP recommended I get something checked out and advised it would be quicker to go to St James on the public health system. Funnily enough, met the exact same Consultant, except this time he had his 'public patient' face on. There were 3 medical student in the room with him, he didn't remember meeting me previously and was extremely rude the second I walked in the door, showing off slightly to his students (aka.. this is the way its done lads) and I honestly felt that he couldn't give a crap about me as the patient in the room. I actually worked in a Health Insurance company at the time, dealing with Consultants, I didn't mention it though.

It made me think very long and hard about the Health System in Ireland. I think we would be better off without this two tier system and something closer to the NHS in UK in terms of scope would work better.

A Neurotic · 23-12-2013 04:01AM

lillycool wrote: »

One thing from experience that really struck me about the Health system here and the two-tier system that we have .... I had a consultation a few years ago with an apparently great consultant privately who coincidentally had also treated a family member, great recommendations from her and he was lovely to me, it was nothing serious in the end but great service. I was really happy with the process.
A couple of months later - a GP recommended I get something checked out and advised it would be quicker to go to St James on the public health system. Funnily enough, met the exact same Consultant, except this time he had his 'public patient' face on. There were 3 medical student in the room with him, he didn't remember meeting me previously and was extremely rude the second I walked in the door, showing off slightly to his students (aka.. this is the way its done lads) and I honestly felt that he couldn't give a crap about me as the patient in the room. I actually worked in a Health Insurance company at the time, dealing with Consultants, I didn't mention it though.

It made me think very long and hard about the Health System in Ireland. I think we would be better off without this two tier system and something closer to the NHS in UK in terms of scope would work better.

Just a quick point on this, some doctors are very accommodating and will always ask you if it's ok for a student to sit in (particularly in psychiatry and obstetrics/gynaecology clinics), while others will never bother to ask and assume that you don't mind. But people always absolutely have the right to ask not to have students in the room for their consultation. Same goes for having students poke and prod at them on the wards. Us med students get away with far too much in terms of harassing sick and worried people IMO.

JuliusCaesar · 23-12-2013 12:25PM

diograis wrote: »

the thing about asking a nurse if 140 is a high blood pressure is ridiculous! would be funny if it wasnt so serious

Where was that? I didn't see it in the Examiner article.

Tasden · 23-12-2013 12:45PM

I've always found the consultants are a little out of touch especially compared to student doctors or nurses- they could be entirely wrong terms BTW so if I'm insulting anyone's position/ title apologies!- and the people "on the ground" so to speak. They just seem to lack a practical knowledge compared to those dealing with patients in wards and whatnot. The people in temple street who are healthcare assistants I think they're called, they don't do much medical stuff more just tending to the kids' needs, are absolute angels, the place would be lost without them. My GPs (a clinic where the doctors are interchangeable) are useless, the only time I ever go now is to get a cert because I don't trust their judgement at all.

SeaDaily · 23-12-2013 02:09PM

Quazzie wrote: »

So doctors don't earn good money?#

For what they do, the pay really isn't great. If you knew any doctors you would know that they are worked into the ground all year round for what isn't actually great pay. There is a general misconception that doctors are very well paid and it isn't true.

SpaceTime · 23-12-2013 02:59PM

I had one which I was really quite taken aback by.

I had fairly serious ear surgery in my teens (great consultant, and it worked very well hearing's perfect).

However, I did have some on-going issues with ear infections as a result of the surgery and having discussed it with the consultant in considerable depth and also having researched it myself I was very well informed about the whole thing. I like to know exactly what's going on when it comes to my own health / body.

I was also told by the consultant that under absolutely no circumstances WHATSOEVER should my ear be syringed as it could cause the ear drum to rupture.

Anyway, I went to the GP looking for a referral to have micro suction to remove debris as my ear canal was blocked up and she decided that it was wax (which it wasn't - it was actually dead skin) and she'd have to syringe it (which was totally contraindicated due to the surgical history).

I said no and explained the whole situation in some detail to her about the graft in my ear drum, and the need to avoid excessive pressure from syringing, diving etc and asked her if she'd read my file?

Anyway, she proceeded to give me a lecture about how SHE was a DOCTOR and how dare I be so cheeky and OF COURSE she'd read it.

I got up and left. She rang my parents and told them that I was 'a cheeky pup' and 'clearly suffering from some kind of arrogance and stress, possibly related to my Leaving Cert exams'.

Needless to say, I've never been to her since!

K.Flyer · 23-12-2013 03:15PM

Our son was attending OLHSC in Crumlin for collapsing spells. After a year of back and forward they concluded that he had some form of epilepsy and wanted to put him on some strong medication with a side effects list the lenght of your arm.
We said no and asked for a second opinion. It turned out he had a low blood pressure disorder which was kept in check by a simple low dosage sodium tablet and he is fine now.

SeaFields · 23-12-2013 03:23PM

Both parents have been through the system in very recent years.

My mother was diagnosed with a very aggressive form of breast cancer after she went to one of the over 50 breastcheck appointments. Everything and every one she met in the course of her treatment from diagnosis to being given the all clear couldn't have been nicer. It really seems to be something that is run very well and those sentiments were echoed by others she met during her treatment.

My father was sent to A+E by his GP with persistent and worsening heartburn and indigestion for a few days. He was taken straight in and a nurse did an ECG and subsequently told him it was normal and to go back out to the waiting area as it was indigestion. He was actually on the way out the door home when he saw a doctor frantically running out to the waiting area shouting his name. He was having a heartattack according to the ECG and had he left would probably have died. To be fair, everything after that went really smoothly and they couldn't have been better but if I had gotten my hands on that nurse!

gctest50 · 23-12-2013 04:27PM

JuliusCaesar wrote: »

Where was that? I didn't see it in the Examiner article.

Among the allegations found to have been proven against Dr Osunkwo were................

that he asked a nurse if a patient's pulse rate of 165 beats per minute was high.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/doctor-who-tried-to-take-blood-with-a-scalpel-is-guilty-of-misconduct-29843459.html

165

"It was alarming the lack of insight. This wasn't about cannulation or small technical skills. It was about fundamental, basic medical knowledge.

ProfessorPlum · 23-12-2013 05:20PM

A Neurotic wrote: »

Just a quick point on this, some doctors are very accommodating and will always ask you if it's ok for a student to sit in (particularly in psychiatry and obstetrics/gynaecology clinics), while others will never bother to ask and assume that you don't mind. But people always absolutely have the right to ask not to have students in the room for their consultation. Same goes for having students poke and prod at them on the wards. Us med students get away with far too much in terms of harassing sick and worried people IMO.

It's a courtesy to ask a patients permission for medical students to be present, and of course a patient has the right to ask for them not to be, but afaik, you have no right not to have a student present (in a public teaching hospital). Clinical training is an essential part, probably the most important part of a medical education. As a student, you should never feel that you are 'harassing' patients. Your time on the wards is where you should be doing most of your learning and is where your should be spending much of your time. Any fool can regurgitate the contents of the textbooks.

Caledonia · 23-12-2013 05:35PM

Cause we are so desperate for doctors atm crap ones are not being told to Jog on. Was watching the English junior doctors and an Italian guy who had worked as a GP for two years in Italy before moving to the UK was featured. He did not have the basic skills and straight away there were hosp consultants in testing him, moving him down to intern, arranging training. It wasn't a language issue.
Apparently the HSE when hiring from overseas accept a notarised copy of a medical degree, they don't check with the medical school itself.

IvaBigWun · 23-12-2013 07:28PM

donegal__road wrote: »

2 tips if you are ever in hospital..

Bring in a laptop and try and find cricket online, doctors will be in and out to your room every 20 minutes.

On your personal details sheet, say that one of your occupations is a free lance journalist.

:pac:

A Neurotic · 23-12-2013 10:50PM

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

It's a courtesy to ask a patients permission for medical students to be present, and of course a patient has the right to ask for them not to be, but afaik, you have no right not to have a student present (in a public teaching hospital). Clinical training is an essential part, probably the most important part of a medical education. As a student, you should never feel that you are 'harassing' patients. Your time on the wards is where you should be doing most of your learning and is where your should be spending much of your time. Any fool can regurgitate the contents of the textbooks.

It's hard not to when you're sent to take a history or perform an exam (purely for your own practice, not for anything essential to someone's care) and:

- Patient A is gone for a scan, so you head to another ward to see patient B
- Patient B is having a nap, so upstairs to another you saw on rounds
- Patient C is just tucking in to dinner

In my experience, loads of students have no problem waking someone or interrupting their meal to spend half an hour asking them to regurgitate, again, what brings them to hospital and to go through the motions, again, of a physical exam. It makes me very uncomfortable.

Clinical experience is of course the best way to learn medicine, and I love learning on the wards, I just think that sometimes we ask a lot of people who are already probably pretty fed up with seeing a variety of health professionals on a given day. Most people are wonderfully accommodating and eager to help us learn, which is amazing, but I personally believe that people should have the right to tell us to bugger off if they want, in the clinic or on the wards.

Anyway, sorry for the off-topicness. My own experience of doctors and nurses, from a student's point of view, is that they're incredible. Can't say I've ever come across one who hasn't been completely on the ball, and when you're helping to look after up to 30 people, that's saying something.

cassid · 24-12-2013 02:00AM

My mother said the exact same thing. She had breast cancer and for years before hand had cysts. She went to see a consultant and he never lifted his head from the desk when she went into the room, he slapped her boobs around to the point it hurt and barely spoke. That experience made her go private, she ended up with the same consultant who was covering for another. This guy when paid, left the room to fetch the patient, greeted them, was so gentle and nice. De mammy was not impressed

at how money changed this man.

lillycool wrote: »

One thing from experience that really struck me about the Health system here and the two-tier system that we have .... I had a consultation a few years ago with an apparently great consultant privately who coincidentally had also treated a family member, great recommendations from her and he was lovely to me, it was nothing serious in the end but great service. I was really happy with the process.
A couple of months later - a GP recommended I get something checked out and advised it would be quicker to go to St James on the public health system. Funnily enough, met the exact same Consultant, except this time he had his 'public patient' face on. There were 3 medical student in the room with him, he didn't remember meeting me previously and was extremely rude the second I walked in the door, showing off slightly to his students (aka.. this is the way its done lads) and I honestly felt that he couldn't give a crap about me as the patient in the room. I actually worked in a Health Insurance company at the time, dealing with Consultants, I didn't mention it though.

It made me think very long and hard about the Health System in Ireland. I think we would be better off without this two tier system and something closer to the NHS in UK in terms of scope would work better.

Ken. · 24-12-2013 02:08AM

I'll never forget getting my appendix out in Naas hospital. Due to complications I had to get a catheter in the wond and got stapled instead of stitched. Every day there was 8-10 students with the surgeon. They were coming from Dublin to see me. I was asked was it ok and I had no problem with it.

On the last day the surgeon came around to check me before letting me home. He had the usual 8-10 students with him. He asked me about my work (welder at the time) and said I was on complete house rest for 6 weeks. No work,no heavy lifting,no sport.

"Grand says I" and off he went. 30 seconds later he sticks his head around the curtain,without the students and asks am I married or have a girlfriend. I said I had a girlfriend. He says "no sex for the 6 weeks either". He didn't want to embarrass me in front of the students.

I told him its no problem and he should have asked in front of them, they have to learn. So he brought them back and explained in front of them.

Incompetent medical staff

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