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Jesus and Alien Life

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  • #92
    Malcolm.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Malcolm.


    kylith wrote: »
    Exactly. Since it has occurred once (us) it is likely that abiogenesis and evolution has also occurred in other places in the universe, it may be slime on a rock, but living nonetheless.

    Evidence of a horse is not evidence of a unicorn


  • #93
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,744 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Malcolm. wrote: »
    Evidence of a horse is not evidence of a unicorn

    What horse? We, metaphorically speaking, are the unicorn. We (and all other terran creatures) are proof of life on a planet in this universe. If there is life on this one planet then the likelyhood of there being life on other planets increases, especially if the number of stars, and planets orbiting them, is near infinite.


  • #94
    gaynorvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭gaynorvader


    Malcolm. wrote: »
    Evidence of a horse is not evidence of a unicorn

    A horse and a unicorn are not the same. Life is the same as life however.


  • #95
    Malcolm.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Malcolm.


    kylith wrote: »
    What horse? We, metaphorically speaking, are the unicorn. We (and all other terran creatures) are proof of life on a planet in this universe. If there is life on this one planet then the likelyhood of there being life on other planets increases, especially if the number of stars, and planets orbiting them, is near infinite.
    gaynorvader wrote: »
    A horse and a unicorn are not the same. Life is the same as life however.

    You have no evidence of alien life.

    I've asked again and again to bring me a single scientific report or scientific evidence showing that there is evidence for alien life.

    The reason you cannot is, like a theist, you have no evidence whatsoever for your claims, but keep thinking that you do.

    Speculation is not evidence for your claim.
    Probability is not evidence for your claim.
    Possibility is not evidence for your claim of alien life.
    Life on earth is not evidence of alien life.

    Bring me some proper scientific evidence for alien life.

    Untill you do, I'll be suspending any belief in it.


  • #96
    housetypeb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭housetypeb


    Do you believe that there is weather patterns on alien planets or have you suspended belief in that too.


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  • #97
    Malcolm.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Malcolm.


    Weather on other planets exists. That's called evidence of weather on other planets. Well done you, I think you're finally getting the word evidence.

    Now have you any evidence of alien life yet ? You'll be the first ever, and we can award you the Nobel prize.


  • #98
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    How do you know weather exists in planets outside the local horizon?


  • #99
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,744 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Malcolm. wrote: »
    You have no evidence of alien life.

    I've asked again and again to bring me a single scientific report or scientific evidence showing that there is evidence for alien life.

    The reason you cannot is, like a theist, you have no evidence whatsoever for your claims, but keep thinking that you do.

    Speculation is not evidence for your claim.
    Probability is not evidence for your claim.
    Possibility is not evidence for your claim of alien life.
    Life on earth is not evidence of alien life.

    Bring me some proper scientific evidence for alien life.

    Untill you do, I'll be suspending any belief in it.

    No one that I've seen has claimed alien life as fact. What has been said is that since life has evolved on this one planet it is statistically likely that life has also evolved on other planets. No one is claiming that lizard people definitely live on a planet orbiting Alpha Centauri, just that somewhere out there in the vastness of space there may well be a planet where a lichen covers a rock.

    Anyway, I'm sure there'll be a mission to Europa at some point. Hopefully that'll answer some questions.


  • #100
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Jernal wrote: »
    How do you know weather exists in planets outside the local horizon?

    Current weather exists, its just there is no weather in the future. Theres no evidence that weather will exist so I dont believe in it.


  • #101
    Victor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,782 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Balaclava1991 wrote: »
    That means there are trillions of souls out there that will not be saved because they don't know about Jesus the ONLY son of God.

    And Jesus's sisters?


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  • #102
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    Current weather exists, its just there is no weather in the future. Theres no evidence that weather will exist so I dont believe in it.

    Yep in the same vein that you don't know if gravity will behave differently in a second from now. That's the only merit I can see in this argument. But, if we're being fair Malcolm's point is much more subtle. Life on this planet is indirect evidence towards life on other planets. However, as yet we have no direct evidence it exists on other planets. Just very plausible indirect evidence. Others are using induction to say that's evidence life exist elsewhere. Malcolm's obviously not a fan of indirect evidence. Gravity is another example.

    Gravitational Waves are one prediction of General Relativity. As yet we have only indirect evidence for their existence. A similar situation exists for the graviton. Given all the observed evidence for GR, is it fair to say GW exists? Or should we reserve judgement until we finally observe them? Assuming they exist brings many advantages and insights but I don't think anyone here will use those insights to put a definitive probability on them existing. In many ways non earth based life is similar. Almost everything indicates it should exist but we won't actually know until we find it.


  • #103
    lufties
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭lufties


    Balaclava1991 wrote: »
    There is no evidence for alien life currently but as has been already said, that if there was planet identical to earth somewhere in the universe then chances are there would also be intelligent life.
    There may be no intelligent life anywhere but it is not impossible.
    If there is then presumably they have souls and presumably they need to be saved by the ONLY son of God, Jesus Christ who was in Israel more than 2000 years ago.

    BUt, but David Icke said......:D


  • #104
    nagirrac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭nagirrac


    In an infinite universe, which we could well be in and just not know it, everything that can happen will eventually happen. Including God or Gods, intelligent life that is so advanced it can build universes like ours. We might even get there ourselves, if we survive (a big if). This planet has an estimated billion years left of favorable conditions, assuming we have the empathy towards our descendants to get past the next 100 (a bigger if). Its not like we would run out of time.


  • #105
    housetypeb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭housetypeb


    I guess that you probably think SETI is a waste of time then,after all,there's no proof of life on other planets.


  • #106
    Malcolm.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Malcolm.


    "Indirect evidence" is just another theistic style euphemism for having no evidence what so ever.
    Some of you atheists seem to have picked up some very bad habits from theists.
    Beliefs based on possibilities, opinions, and no evidence. No thanks. Not for me.


  • #107
    Malcolm.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Malcolm.


    housetypeb wrote: »
    I guess that you probably think SETI is a waste of time then,after all,there's no proof of life on other planets.

    No, SETI is very useful and scientific way of showing believers there is no evidence, never mind proof.


  • #108
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Indirect evidence is bloody important. I'll thank you not to sh*t upon all research everywhere.


  • #109
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,257 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Malcolm. wrote: »
    "Indirect evidence" is just another theistic style euphemism for having no evidence what so ever.
    Some of you atheists seem to have picked up some very bad habits from theists.
    Beliefs based on possibilities, opinions, and no evidence. No thanks. Not for me.

    You'd be great out looking for survivors at sea/in the desert.

    Takes a quick glance. "Hmmm, no evidence of survivors." Quits.


  • #110
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Malcolm. wrote: »
    "Indirect evidence" is just another theistic style euphemism for having no evidence what so ever.
    Some of you atheists seem to have picked up some very bad habits from theists.
    Beliefs based on possibilities, opinions, and no evidence. No thanks. Not for me.

    Indirect evidence is how most of empirical science chooses to function.


  • #111
    Malcolm.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Malcolm.


    Speculation is not evidence for your claim.
    Probability is not evidence for your claim.
    Possibility is not evidence for your claim of alien life.
    Life on earth is not evidence of alien life.

    Bring me some proper scientific evidence for alien life.

    Untill you do, I'll be suspending any belief in it.

    Sorry if that offends your beliefs. Tough shyte.


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  • #112
    CiDeRmAn
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    The human mind has evolved to be able to use the available information to create a model that allows the accurate prediction of results.
    This has given us maths and science which have further showed the accuracy of the models.
    It means that thought can move beyond the facts under our nose and we can move forward and become, well, what we've become.

    If we were to accept your need for facts in front of you as a foundation of truth, we'd all be still running across the Rift valley hunting and living in caves.

    The non existence of alien life is actually the more incredible and unlikely result as it would suggest that there really is something "chosen" about the Earth. Which is, frankly, silly.

    But, that's fine. Thing is you have said that you don't accept the actual existence of alien life elsewhere.
    But you must accept the possibility of it existing, if you don't you're simply wrong and need to take a look at your world view.

    At the same time, you may also be simply trolling. As the evidence suggests.
    You'll be suggesting there's a god next...


  • #113
    Malcolm.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Malcolm.


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    The human mind has evolved to be able to use the available information to create a model that allows the accurate prediction of results.
    This has given us maths and science which have further showed the accuracy of the models.
    It means that thought can move beyond the facts under our nose and we can move forward and become, well, what we've become.

    If we were to accept your need for facts in front of you as a foundation of truth, we'd all be still running across the Rift valley hunting and living in caves.

    The non existence of alien life is actually the more incredible and unlikely result as it would suggest that there really is something "chosen" about the Earth. Which is, frankly, silly.

    But, that's fine. Thing is you have said that you don't accept the actual existence of alien life elsewhere.
    But you must accept the possibility of it existing, if you don't you're simply wrong and need to take a look at your world view.

    If you want to go down the possibility route, in somewhere as vast as the universe, anything is possible, unicorns, fairies, including aliens that look like fairies, or unicorns. I'll be suspending belief in alien life until there is evidence. I really don't care what you believe without actual evidence, but don't expect me to, unless you can present proper evidence for it. I'll revise my opinion only if and when proper evidence for alien life is presented. If you don't like that, that's not my problem. Sorry if this does not align with the world view everyone should have according to you, perhaps that's a world view that you should in fact be taking a look at.


  • #114
    CiDeRmAn
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    I think you're making a massive assumption that this is about you.
    It's about a point you made.
    And people have replied to it, including myself.
    You can believe in anything you want, of course, or nothing, it's your shout.
    I don't like/dislike the grounds on which you accept this thing or not another, no one here does I'd say.
    You're right.
    Anything is possible in a universe this big, including what you describe, and that's where most rational people are at, so you are right in line with the bulk of the scientific community and the bulk of those with fact, result based world view.
    So that's cool.

    Oh, and I my world view really isn't dependent on what you think, nor your's dependent on mine, which is also cool.

    Evidence for alien life, what would you accept, it's looking like the analysis of the atmosphere of exoplanets for gases that only exist if replenished by our kind of biology is the way to go, so we might have that yet.


  • #115
    Malcolm.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Malcolm.


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    I think you're making a massive assumption that this is about you.

    That's your assumption not mine.
    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    If we were to accept your need for facts in front of you as a foundation of truth, we'd all be still running across the Rift valley hunting and living in caves.

    Well, I kind of like facts, and the fact is there is no evidence of alien life. Pesky things facts.
    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    You can believe in anything you want, of course, or nothing, it's your shout.

    Thanks, but I prefer evidence, and there's no evidence for alien life. When there is, I'll revise my opinion on the existence of alien life. Untill then you can believe what you like. I prefer evidence. Whenever you have some actual proper scientific evidence for alien life, not the possibility of alien life, bring it to me.
    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    Oh, and I my world view really isn't dependent on what you think, nor your's dependent on mine, which is also cool.

    Great, thanks, but evidence for alien life is not dependent on anyone’s world view, or your existance, or mine. There is evidence or there is not.


  • #116
    swampgas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭swampgas


    Malcolm. wrote: »
    If you want to go down the possibility route, in somewhere as vast as the universe, anything is possible, unicorns, fairies, including aliens that look like fairies, or unicorns. I'll be suspending belief in alien life until there is evidence. I really don't care what you believe without actual evidence, but don't expect me to, unless you can present proper evidence for it. I'll revise my opinion only if and when proper evidence for alien life is presented. If you don't like that, that's not my problem. Sorry if this does not align with the world view everyone should have according to you, perhaps that's a world view that you should in fact be taking a look at.

    Surely much of science is about probabilty rather than binary true/false "facts"?

    Instead of asking whether extraterrestial life exists as a simple yes or no question, we should be asking what the probability might be of extra-terrestial life existing, based on what we know of life on Earth and what we know of the Universe.

    Do you think researchers should have ditched the concept of the Higgs Boson because there was no direct evidence for it?


  • #117
    CiDeRmAn
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Can we get back to the OP instead of being derailed by one person who'd be better off posting in one of the science forums.
    His points been well answered, either he can't or doesn't want to see it.

    I believe Islam has no issue with extra terrestrial life in terms of them simply waiting for the word of the prophet.

    Given the is the A&A forum it is all irrelevant though.
    Blishes book Case of Conscience covers the whole matter to be honest.


  • #118
    Malcolm.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Malcolm.


    Other than having no evidence, and wanting me to believe something without evidence, you have no point in reffering to me.
    The subject is entirely in line with the OP and A&A.
    When you have some evidence come back to me and refer it to me.


  • #119
    CiDeRmAn
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    I see your mistake.
    I am not trying to make you believe in something.
    I was simply, previously, making a point that you refuse to accept.
    Which is fine.
    I have no interest in providing you with the requirements for your belief in this or anything else.
    There, isn't it refreshing to have it all cleared up


  • #120
    Malcolm.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Malcolm.


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    I see your mistake.
    I am not trying to make you believe in something.
    I was simply, previously, making a point that you refuse to accept.
    Which is fine.
    I have no interest in providing you with the requirements for your belief in this or anything else.
    There, isn't it refreshing to have it all cleared up

    If you read back through the posts before you jumped in, you'd see it was your mistake. There is no evidence for alien life. I don't believe in things that have no evidence. If you have evidence provide it, otherwise, with or without your permission, I'll be suspending my belief in alien life untill there is evidence for it. I've no intrest in what you believe about alien life.


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  • #121
    CiDeRmAn
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    We really are a one trick pony aren't we?
    Well, I've had enough of this nonsense.
    Moving on.


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