Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

old hippy · 20-12-2013 01:28PM

Rabelais wrote: »

The death penalty is a disgusting concept. No rational society would even countenance such a thing. Thankfully we live in one.

All we have is the disgusting apologists for the death penalty. Sadly, the baying mob will always be with us.

looking_around · 20-12-2013 01:40PM

Nevermind.... didn't notice it was necro thread XD

Penny Lane · 20-12-2013 01:42PM

Yes, absolutely. Extreme crimes deserve extreme punishment.

old hippy · 20-12-2013 03:12PM

Penny Lane wrote: »

Yes, absolutely. Extreme crimes deserve extreme punishment.

Dodgy bankers? Corrupt politicians?

thefasteriwalk · 20-12-2013 04:00PM

Reading some last statements would really make you think: http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/dr_executed_offenders.html

Arrow. · 20-12-2013 04:34PM

thefasteriwalk wrote: »

Reading some last statements would really make you think: http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/dr_executed_offenders.html

It's no surprise they're mostly philosophical and repent at the hour of their death. Who wouldn't be?

I would say the experience of being about to die may have changed them and had they been able to get back up I would say they may have changed, but it's something you can't enforce.

The prospect of death appears to be the driving force behind their supposed transformation.

They all find God, amazingly. Out of fear more so than remorse.

Also, try reading the offender information too:

On 08/02/91 in Dallas, Texas the subject fatally shot the victim, a 30-year old white female. Chamberlain was a resident of the same apartment complex and had gone to the victim's apartment under the pretense of borrowing sugar. Chamberlain left the apartment and return minutes later with duct tape and a rifle. Chamberlain entered the apartment, displayed the weapon to the victim, and forced the victim into a bedroom. Chamberlain taped her hands and feet, and sexually assaulted her. Chamberlain took the victim into the bathroom and shot her one time in the head with a .30 caliber rifle, causing her death. Chamberlain left the apartment and returned to his own apartment.

Here's someone's last statement:

Last Statement:

Yes, Love you mom, love you pop, love you Sara, and Amanda. Um, Cathy you know I never meant to hurt you. I gave you everything and that's what made me so angry. But I didn't mean to hurt you. I am sorry. That's it.

Here's what he did:

On 09/13/98, in Georgetown, Granados went to his girlfriend's residence and an argument ensued. Grenados used a long kitchen knife and stabbed his girlfriend, requiring hospitalization. Grenados killed the girlfriend's 3-year old child with a large kitchen knife.

I wouldn't always be in favour the death penalty, there are too many variables to consider per case, but murdering a 3 year old? Die.

Amirani · 20-12-2013 04:41PM

WHIP IT! wrote: »

I would have the Death Penalty back tomorrow for convicted Paedophiles, rapists and murderers, in a heartbeat.

Breaking News: Ireland's murder rate soars as paedophiles and rapists start killing their victims as sure, they're going to get the death penalty anyway so what difference does it make. In other news, the figures for reported rapes and paedophilia have dropped over the past year as all the victims are dead.

Ah, problem solved!

glass_onion · 20-12-2013 04:57PM

The death penalty has served no deterrent against crime.Innocent people have been been put to death. There was research done on the cost of death penalty vs life without parole,it came up it was cheaper to give life without parole as there is a less chance of the lengthy expensive appeals that usually spurn from death penalty.

On the other side,it has been used as a bargaining tool to plead guilty in exchange for life without parole.

Research findings costs- http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

end of the road · 20-12-2013 05:16PM

jank wrote: »

I wonder would you feel the same as the average Iraqi if he gassed your neighbours and killed your friends. Very easy to be glib on the net.

no, if he gassed my neighbours and killed my friends, for me to turn around and say he should then be killed when i'm angry at him for doing the same thing, would make me a hypicrit

end of the road · 20-12-2013 05:18PM

Billy86 wrote: »

To be fair you asked him a yes/no question on whether he thought Saddam should have been spared the death penalty, not what he would think if he were an Iraqi, and specifically requested an answer of that and that alone - 'yes' or 'no'. Bringing the perspective of an Iraqi as something that he should have brought up in his answer now is a pretty big shifting of the goalposts.

exactly, its a failed tactic used by the pro death penalty people, it won't change my mind

end of the road · 20-12-2013 05:22PM

WHIP IT! wrote: »

I would have the Death Penalty back tomorrow for convicted Paedophiles, rapists and murderers, in a heartbeat.

but what gives you the right to take their lives? surely the risk of getting it wrong would be enough to not bring back a practice from the dark ages? doesn't matter how good technology or DNA testing gets it will never be good enough to satisfy me for the death penalty to be used.

end of the road · 20-12-2013 05:31PM

glass_onion wrote: »

it has been used as a bargaining tool to plead guilty in exchange for life without parole.

very true, and its a practice that bothers me very much, all though i put it down to a desperate rubbish incompitent joke of a prosecuter who actually has no chance of winning the case and knows it so wants to take the person on trial down with them and to guarintee it they put this deal to the person on trial, as the person on trial believes they aren't going to win and are going to be executed, they plead guilty rather then be put to death

Eutow · 20-12-2013 05:31PM

I wouldn't agree with the reintroduction because of the probability of some innocent person wrongly convicted for a crime being put to death.

Also, if given a choice, death is an easier sentence than life in prison on bread and water. (Life would mean life in prison until the day you die).

Mr Williams · 20-12-2013 07:12PM

old hippy wrote: »

Dodgy bankers? Corrupt politicians?

Yes I'd support that. These people have caused the deaths of many people through suicide and cuts to the health service.

They should all get the death penalty for high treason.

HarpFR · 20-12-2013 07:34PM

No, It is moving backward.

We as humans need to be moving forward. We should also look at who commits extreme crimes and how to prevent it from happening in the future.

e.g: in China they use torture punishment. This is extremely out dated and is what they did hundreds of years ago.
e.g: Norway does not carry a death penalty. They rehabilitate the criminals. Norway is also one of the safest countries on earth.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 20-12-2013 08:20PM

Did anyone ever watch Fourteen days in May? It's a BBC documentary from 1987 covering the last 14 days of convicted killer Edward Earl Johnson life. It's very interesting, you learn a lot about the case and the various appeals his lawyer tries to work in the final 2 weeks, Johnson co operated with the making of it, we see such events as his last meal and the final few minutes he spends in a room next to the chamber with his lawyer the chaplain and the Warden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhHutCNkjEc

WHIP IT! · 20-12-2013 09:04PM

Billy86 wrote: »

I suppose your well thought-out and fully articulated argument is kind of hard to disagree with...

Funny, you didn't say the same about the person who said simply "Nope, people can change" above me...

People can change, maybe - but some don't deserve the chance...

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 20-12-2013 11:54PM

We're back again, are we?

OK, so there is no such thing as a Human Rights Brigade, (what is a Human Right in any case if it can be rescinded?), you're not looking for "justice" to be served, you're looking for your "vengeful blood-lust" to be served, there's no evidence to suggest that pedophilia is an unchangeable or untreatable condition, no - it;s not worth 5 or 10 innocent dead people for one guilty dead one* (not to mention, how do you deal with a judge or jury who send an ultimately innocent mand to the grave? Rhetorical question as it's never going to get a sensible responce) and I'm just as unlikley to wind up living beside a convicted mass-murderer if he's jail or if he's dead.

I believe that covers all the arguments in favour of the death penalty in the last few days.

*yeah, I know that one wasn't made recently, but it wsa made and no one ever backed it up.

Lux23 · 20-12-2013 11:56PM

No. Even though I think some scum deserve it.

Billy86 · 21-12-2013 12:33PM

WHIP IT! wrote: »

Funny, you didn't say the same about the person who said simply "Nope, people can change" above me...

People can change, maybe - but some don't deserve the chance...

Funny, they (sex offenders) have the lowest recidivism rates of all crimes committed... so it's more or less proven they can.

And who are you or I to decide who 'deserves' to live or not? And for what reasons? Where does the line get drawn?

masti123 · 21-12-2013 04:20PM

When a dog attacks a child and scars them for life, the dog is put to sleep, shouldn't we do the same for pedophiles?

dd972 · 21-12-2013 04:25PM

Capital punishment belongs to the middle ages, state has no right to end people's lives and you can't bring the person back if there's a screw up.

end of the road · 21-12-2013 04:28PM

masti123 wrote: »

When a dog attacks a child and scars them for life, the dog is put to sleep, shouldn't we do the same for pedophiles?

no, ideally dogs would be able to be re-homed away from children instead of being put to sleep but the likelyhood of that happening is 0 sadly

Mr Williams · 21-12-2013 05:25PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

We're back again, are we?

OK, so there is no such thing as a Human Rights Brigade, (what is a Human Right in any case if it can be rescinded?), you're not looking for "justice" to be served, you're looking for your "vengeful blood-lust" to be served, there's no evidence to suggest that pedophilia is an unchangeable or untreatable condition, no - it;s not worth 5 or 10 innocent dead people for one guilty dead one* (not to mention, how do you deal with a judge or jury who send an ultimately innocent mand to the grave? Rhetorical question as it's never going to get a sensible responce) and I'm just as unlikley to wind up living beside a convicted mass-murderer if he's jail or if he's dead.

I believe that covers all the arguments in favour of the death penalty in the last few days.

*yeah, I know that one wasn't made recently, but it wsa made and no one ever backed it up.

What are you talking about ? The majority of paedophiles go on to reoffend.

Your statement is akin to saying there is no evidence of child abuse in the catholic church.

zcorpian88 · 21-12-2013 06:11PM

No, that would be too easy, just build more prisons and give longer sentences, our justice system is a joke. Life sentences should mean life.

They are in and out in no time at all.

Billy86 · 21-12-2013 07:22PM

dd972 wrote: »

Capital punishment belongs to the middle ages, state has no right to end people's lives and you can't bring the person back if there's a screw up.

When a dog becomes old and frail it is often put down too, despite us not being able to ask them if they would rather live. Shouldn't we do the same with the elderly?

Billy86 · 21-12-2013 07:25PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

What are you talking about ? The majority of paedophiles go on to reoffend.

Your statement is akin to saying there is no evidence of child abuse in the catholic church.

Be honest, you haven't read this thread much have you?

zcorpian88 · 21-12-2013 07:32PM

Billy86 wrote: »

When a dog becomes old and frail it is often put down too, despite us not being able to ask them if they would rather live. Shouldn't we do the same with the elderly?

It should be allowed once the person is extremely ill and wants to die. Marie Fleming was a hero in going to court to fight for it, once the quality of life is non existent, what is the point in suffering through to the end?

Billy86 · 21-12-2013 09:59PM

zcorpian88 wrote: »

It should be allowed once the person is extremely ill and wants to die. Marie Fleming was a hero in going to court to fight for it, once the quality of life is non existent, what is the point in suffering through to the end?

Don't get me wrong, I do actually agree with euthanasia (it's why I threw the 'dog can't ask to die' caveat in

).

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-12-2013 11:50PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

What are you talking about ? The majority of paedophiles go on to reoffend.

Your statement is akin to saying there is no evidence of child abuse in the catholic church.

I said that "there's no evidence to suggest that pedophilia is an unchangeable or untreatable condition". If you disagree, the next step is to prove me wrong by providing said evidence (that you have read and with relevant comments - not just the first link from a google search, as others have done) that proves my statement incorrect, not posting incorrect analogies.

Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

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