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What happens after we die?

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  • #32
    King_Prawn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12 ✭King_Prawn


    FairytaleGirl wrote: »
    I have actually thought this out..

    I think our soul all has certain lessons to learn before we can get to heaven (or whichever afterlife you believe in) and until those lessons are learned we are reincarnated over and over. There are loads and loads of stories about young kids having vivid memories of previous lives etc

    I think also that people taken away from us younger, are on their last life and finished learning their lessons and were ready for the afterlife.

    Yeah but from a practical perspective, why not just have every soul instantly progress to heaven in the very first instance? In other words, why oh why the bother of having so many souls spend an immense amount of time in this mundane-at-best, miserly-at-worst ****E-hole we call planet earth?


  • #33
    wolfpawnat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    timthumbni wrote: »
    As much as I would like th think my Christian mates are correct and we end up living in some fluffy cloud existence up in heaven it's not very likely now is it?

    It's more than probable that worms and maggots will be the outcome.

    I hope I'm wrong. I pray to god that I'm wrong. (As an atheist lol)

    I think its best to enjoy the very short time you have on earth.

    I do not believe in a higher power, but I do hope there is something after this, that I will be with my children for all eternity, and all the other people I have loved/love and lost/will lose. But I doubt there is, so I plan on just enjoying them while I am here.


  • #34
    FairytaleGirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 663 ✭✭✭FairytaleGirl


    irish_goat wrote: »
    What's a soul?

    The thing within us that makes us more than flesh and bones and firing neurons. I call it a soul, call it what you wish!


  • #35
    theblaqueguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 401 ✭✭theblaqueguy


    irish bloke wrote: »
    It's not nice to think that but I reckon your right

    I know you've got to be realistic about it.
    In an ideal world I'd like to be reincarnated as an animal like a bird or something like that rather than end up in heaven or hell or wherever people think we end up after we die


  • #36
    beano345
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭beano345


    "If you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you"

    nothingness I would say


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  • #37
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,098 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    Science teaches us that it is impossible to destroy energy, I do believe in an afterlife but am not very religious also as a result I am not afraid of death, it is inevitable and when the time comes it has to happen. There is an energy and life-force which continues on and really we know so very little about this world and our existence and meaning of life that is highly ignorant to discount the idea of an afterlife. Reincarnation is another possibility and I believe I may have lived before as an Indian servant during the British Maharaja in the 19th Century.

    Science is already starting to raise the possibility of proof of the afterlife,
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2503370/Quantum-physics-proves-IS-afterlife-claims-scientist.html


  • #38
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    King_Prawn wrote: »
    So here we are, living out this mysterious existence wherein all known sentient life-forms are together on this (relatively) tiny spinning ball in space. Humans are unique in that we know our time as individual entities is fundamentally limited (or so it may seem anyway).

    In day to day life it appears that life is such a great mystery albeit a finite one for each of us is totally ignored by the vast majority of the populous; hordes of zombies strolling around, heads filled with crap waffling on through their mobile phones and such. Doesn't anyone else consider how utterly strange and bizarre this reality we're experiencing truly is?

    Quantum physics seems to suggest that we as consciously aware beings play an integral part of the whole of manifest existence, which could mean our lives are more than just a temporary play of pure materiality we happen to have emerged in coincidentally. Perhaps we do after all have a spiritual essence which survives the death of the body.

    I don't see how life could have a "purpose" though i.e. New Age ideas about humans possessing a "soul" which reincarnates in order to gain experience and grow. If there is a "God", it would by definition have to be totally complete, hence why would there be any needs for the existence of souls.

    So what are your thoughts on the issue? What happens when we die?

    Could you not put in your poll, just fookin dead.


  • #39
    King_Prawn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12 ✭King_Prawn


    Artful_Badger wrote: »
    Our brains have the ability to be aware of its own operation and that awareness is existence. When you die you're brain ceases to function so there is nothing to be aware of and thus no more existence.

    The nature of the human mind is a total mystery in reality and that cannot be understated in relation to this discussion. Even without this fact what you're suggesting may be the real outcome however the aforementioned fact is undeniable.


  • #40
    FairytaleGirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 663 ✭✭✭FairytaleGirl


    King_Prawn wrote: »
    Yeah but from a practical perspective, why not just have every soul instantly progress to heaven in the very first instance? In other words, why oh why the bother of having so many souls spend an immense amount of time in this mundane-at-best, miserly-at-worst ****E-hole we call planet earth?

    Someones on their first life.. ;)

    It depends on our individual way of thinking I suppose. When your at peace with the world, injustices and good things, when you realise certain things, I dont know..!

    They say anxious/nervous people are on their first time on earth and havent quite figured things out. Hence a nervous nature or whatever, maybe the total opposite to that?


  • #41
    timthumbni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    I do not believe in a higher power, but I do hope there is something after this, that I will be with my children for all eternity, and all the other people I have loved/love and lost/will lose. But I doubt there is, so I pan on jus enjoying them while I am here.

    As an atheist I agree. I really , really hope I'm wrong on this matter and I forever be able to be with my kids, talk to my father again etc.

    It's not likely at all. Houdini apparently gave his wife a secret password and told her to go to these clairvoyants etc. nothing ever came though.

    If fecking Houdini couldn't break through the barrier of death it suggests to me that we are all fecked.

    Love your ethos about enjoying things whilst you are here. Me too!!,


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  • #42
    King_Prawn
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    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    I do not believe in a higher power, but I do hope there is something after this, that I will be with my children for all eternity, and all the other people I have loved/love and lost/will lose. But I doubt there is, so I plan on just enjoying them while I am here.

    I'm totally open-minded about this subject, but in my view whatever lies beyond death would have to be impersonal, meaning our loved ones sadly were just temporary bags of flesh we became attached to and had nothing to do with our vital essence if such a thing really exists.


  • #43
    EoghanConway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭EoghanConway


    I don't know but I hope there'll be sandwiches.


  • #44
    Burky126
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 476 ✭✭Burky126


    We are absorbed into a mass memory bank called the Akashic record (which is a bit like space internet) where our memories can be tapped into and lived through other people's eyes in an eternal loop of spiritual masturbation.

    Who is to say that all of existence is living through someone elses memories and experiences and that we've already died at some point?

    That or....you die and that it.You cease to be forever.


  • #45
    King_Prawn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12 ✭King_Prawn


    FairytaleGirl wrote: »
    Someones on their first life.. ;)

    It depends on our individual way of thinking I suppose. When your at peace with the world, injustices and good things, when you realise certain things, I dont know..!

    They say anxious/nervous people are on their first time on earth and havent quite figured things out. Hence a nervous nature or whatever, maybe the total opposite to that?

    An old soul with so many life-times and yet you still never learned to use apostrophes.. ;)


  • #46
    wolfpawnat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    King_Prawn wrote: »
    I'm totally open-minded about this subject, but in my view whatever lies beyond death would have to be impersonal, meaning our loved ones sadly were just temporary bags of flesh we became attached to and had nothing to do with our vital essence if such a thing really exists.

    I think it's the need to believe in more than just nothingness that most people grasp to. I am more than aware there is probably nothing after this, but I can live in hope.


  • #47
    Artful_Badger
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    King_Prawn wrote: »
    The nature of the human mind is a total mystery in reality and that cannot be understated in relation to this discussion. Even without this fact what you're suggesting may be the real outcome however the aforementioned fact is undeniable.

    The nature of the mind is not a total mystery. Thought, emotion, memory etc have all been linked with the physical parts of the brain. Activity can be measured and correlated with what a person is thinking and feeling as well as changes in memory, behavior and cognitive thought seen when parts of the brain are damaged.

    What I'm suggesting is the only logical conclusion based on what we know.


  • #48
    efb
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    Fibre Optic Broadband - well that's my idea of heaven...


  • #49
    Manach
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    Personally as a Catholic, I expect quite a long time in spent in Purgatory - repenting over some of my less benign posts on boards.


  • #50
    Minnie1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 ✭Minnie1990


    I think everything we're told by the church and whatnot is a load of highfalutin' crap. Personally I think people clutch onto these ideas far too much and forget how to enjoy themselves by doing what the love to do. Regardless of whether there is a 'god' or a 'heaven/hell', in the end it doesn't matter. We'll be dead, we won't realise. What really grinds my gears is the elderly spending their last years stuck in churches 'saving themselves' when they should be out enjoying themselves and perhaps doing the church thing in moderation if that's what they want.


  • #51
    Donkey Oaty
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    Stinicker wrote: »
    I believe I may have lived before as an Indian servant during the British Maharaja in the 19th Century.

    Do tell us more.


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  • #52
    King_Prawn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12 ✭King_Prawn


    Artful_Badger wrote: »
    The nature of the mind is not a total mystery. Thought, emotion, memory etc have all been linked with the physical parts of the brain. Activity can be measured and correlated with what a person is thinking and feeling as well as changes in memory, behavior and cognitive thought seen when parts of the brain are damaged.

    What I'm suggesting is the only logical conclusion based on what we know.

    Yes, of course thinking, feeling, remembering etc. are physical acts and therefore heavily involved with brain activity, but what is the nature of the conscious awareness experiencing these sensations? Surely there is something inherently mysterious about that.


  • #53
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    Manach wrote: »
    Personally as a Catholic, I expect quite a long time in spent in Purgatory - repenting over some of my less benign posts on boards.

    You will wait a long time in the queue, the amount of priests, nuns, pastors, that will be in front of you, it will take years for your turn. Make a deal.


  • #54
    Daqster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Daqster


    King_Prawn wrote: »
    What happens when we die?

    Your get fcuked in a hot wok, covered in oil (with sometimes only vegetables for company) then humans consume you, enzymes smother you and then you pass through a long tunnel where you will see a white light (heaven?) ..and a little water (fcuk knows what the water is). Best of luck.


  • #55
    Artful_Badger
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    King_Prawn wrote: »
    Yes, of course thinking, feeling, remembering etc. are physical acts and therefore heavily involved with brain activity, but what is the nature of the conscious awareness experiencing these sensations? Surely there is something inherently mysterious about that.

    It doesnt really matter how mysterious it is though, if the main events that make up the operation of the mind are linked to physical activity in the brain we can logically conclude that without physical activity and stimulus those events dont occur and therefore there is nothing to be aware of.


  • #56
    Sciprio
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    What did you do when the dinosaurs were around? Nothing. That's what i'm confident that will happen as you'll return to a state like you were before you were born not knowing that you existed. I'm not religious, I'd like to think there's a heaven but i truly doubt it to be honest.


  • #57
    Dave!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Sky King wrote: »
    I read that a few times. Still... nothing.

    OP is Deepak Chopra.

    Out of interest, I wonder has an article/research about quantum mechanics as it relates to consciousness and/or the afterlife ever been published in a peer reviewed scientific journal? Or is it mostly just people in unrelated fields, with no training in quantum mechanics, who feel confident making metaphysical claims about it?

    Nothing happens after we die I'm afraid—our brains die and decompose, so "we" no longer exist. Everything that defines who or what we are is the product of cortical activity in the brain, so once that is gone, so too are we.

    Sh*t buzz.


  • #58
    King_Prawn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12 ✭King_Prawn


    Artful_Badger wrote: »
    It doesnt really matter how mysterious it is though, if the main events that make up the operation of the mind are linked to physical activity in the brain we can logically conclude that without physical activity and stimulus those events dont occur and therefore there is nothing to be aware of.

    That's a fallacious argument. If you had have said "we can assume" rather than "we can logically conclude" you would have been safe, however just because the minds operations are undoubtedly related to brain activity does not mean that's all the mind is and all we are. It's possible, perhaps not probable, that native to the biological organism is in fact some sort of spiritual essence which is not what we would call physical. You may say that because there's no direct empirical evidence of this it's a non-issue, however that does not mean we can safely conclude that the mystery of life is an open and shut case. Contemplative traditions maintain that it is possible to realise one's essence as being not localized to the physical organism. That the rational mind can fully grasp reality is just as much an irrational belief as any religious one.


  • #59
    greenflash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭greenflash


    keith16 wrote: »
    But fill them with shyte nonetheless?

    Will have to tell them something at some stage and would rather it be something I've made up than some shyte the men in funny hats came up with.


  • #60
    Daqster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Daqster


    Dave! wrote: »
    Nothing happens after we die I'm afraid

    I shall inform Planet Earth at once:

    "Attention Earthlings! We have some bad news. There is unfortunately NO after-life, as Dave, who posts on an Irish message board, has said so."


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  • #61
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Only utter annihilation of the physical body, but what we call conciousness travels on imo.


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