McDonalds want to open in Ballyphehane.

ongarboy · 03-12-2013 11:10PM #1

I see McDonalds has applied to the council for a new drive thru McDonalds at Musgrave Park in Ballyphehane. That should generate at least 50 jobs I would think. Any more word on the McDonalds in Ballincollig opening or even being built yet? It was given permission earlier this year to go ahead.

http://www.loadza.com/notices/planning-apps-815/50

CORK CITY COUNCIL McDonald's Restaurants of Ireland Limited intend to apply for permission for development on a 0.441 Ha site, approximately, located at Musgrave Park, Kinsale Road/Tramore Road, Ballyphehane, Cork City, Co. Cork. The proposed development will consist of: the provision of a single storey drive-thru restaurant (361 sq m) including the ancillary sale of hot food for consumption off the premises, incorporating an enclosed yard (65 sq m), with an overall gross floor area of 432 sq m. The development will also consist of: the demolition of an approximately 3m high wall (195m wide) along Kinsale Road and Tramore Road, and the construction of a new boundary treatment on the southern, eastern and western boundaries of the site comprising a stone wall and timber fence; provision of a new vehicular and pedestrian entrance to the site off the Kinsale Road; 65 No. car parking spaces (including 58 No. standard spaces, 3 No. disabled spaces, 3 No. parked order spaces and 1 No. set-down space); bicycle parking stands; a height restrictor; 2 No. customer order points with canopies; associated elevational and free-standing signage; hard and soft landscaping; and all ancillary and associated works. The planning application may be inspected or purchased at a fee not exceeding the reasonable cost of making a copy at the offices of the Planning Authority, City Hall, Cork, during its public opening hours. A submission or observation in relation to the application may be made in writing to the Planning Authority on payment of the prescribed fee of 20 within the period of 5 weeks beginning on the date of receipt by the Authority of the application.
Posted: 20/11/2013

gimmick · 04-12-2013 09:10AM

Not a hope Dinos will let this happen. Mr Dino has far too much sway in thatparticular area for this to go ahead.

Not sure exactly where they want it though? Actually inside Musgrave Park or what?

AEDIC · 04-12-2013 09:48AM

gimmick wrote: »

Not a hope Dinos will let this happen. Mr Dino has far too much sway in thatparticular area for this to go ahead.

Not sure exactly where they want it though? Actually inside Musgrave Park or what?

The old CMP premises maybe on the corner there? That land has been flattened for a while now...ideal site for a drive through (if there is such a thing)

SpaceTime · 04-12-2013 09:51AM

I'm surprised there's none in Wilton or Bishopscourt or somewhere around that direction.

You'd also think perhaps EastGate in little island would have been an obvious one where KFC Drive Thru located..

Or a Drive Thru at Mahon Point .. / within reach of it.

That being said, I don't think I'd be very execited about new MaccyD's.. Not my kind of thing.

kub · 04-12-2013 10:55AM

AEDIC wrote: »

The old CMP premises maybe on the corner there? That land has been flattened for a while now...ideal site for a drive through (if there is such a thing)

Munster rugby recently sold land at the corner where Musgrave park meets Tramore Rd and Kinsale Rd. Rumour has it that Musgrave's the wholesalers own the land where the old CMP plant was.

blindsider · 04-12-2013 04:55PM

kub wrote: »

Munster rugby recently sold land at the corner where Musgrave park meets Tramore Rd and Kinsale Rd. Rumour has it that Musgrave's the wholesalers own the land where the old CMP plant was.

Correct.

Munste Rugby sold the strip of land, behind the wall facing Blackwater motors, to Mackie D's. I guess they would just about squeeze a Drive-thru in there, but I would wonder what it'll do to traffic.

Perhaps MCD's will buy the vacant Vita Cortex site beside it....

who_me · 04-12-2013 05:29PM

blindsider wrote: »

Correct.

Munste Rugby sold the strip of land, behind the wall facing Blackwater motors, to Mackie D's. I guess they would just about squeeze a Drive-thru in there, but I would wonder what it'll do to traffic.

Perhaps MCD's will buy the vacant Vita Cortex site beside it....

Is that where the trees are behind that wall? Shame that they'll have to be cut down.

I can't imagine they'd squeeze a drive through in there. Isn't there a Kitchen store in between that land and the Vita Cortex site?

ofcork · 04-12-2013 05:38PM

AEDIC wrote: »

The old CMP premises maybe on the corner there? That land has been flattened for a while now...ideal site for a drive through (if there is such a thing)

I believe blackwater motors have planning for a showroom there.

hoodwinked · 04-12-2013 06:45PM

if the strip intended is the one (it sounds like it is from the PP description of removing the wall) i can't imagine they'll get planning if the planner has an ounce of sense. won't it reek havoc on the junction a: on match days, and b: on mc donalds busy days! :eek:

it will be a no go area if you are driving

kub · 04-12-2013 09:23PM

ofcork wrote: »

I believe blackwater motors have planning for a showroom there.

That is right I thought after they had moved into the old Turners Cross Motors premises and rented out one side of the old Kevin O Leary garage on the Back Douglas Road that they had shelved it but apparently not.

AEDIC · 05-12-2013 10:27AM

From that photo it just shows what a tight squeeze it would be to fit a drive through on that bit of land....crazy, and a massive traffic issue I would think.

razorblunt · 05-12-2013 12:23PM

They sold that bit of land? Christ if you hit a wayward conversion back in the day against Dolphin or the Well it'd be on the road, can't imagine much property fitting in there.

who_me · 05-12-2013 04:02PM

It doesn't really make much sense to me. "If I ruled Munster Rugby...", I'd make do with one training pitch there. I'd turn the other 90 degrees, and move it a little bit away from Tramore Road. Then you'd have a lot more space along the Kinsale Road and Tramore Road so you could have sold more land for a bit of extra moolah. Plus the training pitch wouldn't be more squashed and you'd have more room around the main stadium for future expansion.

rovoagho · 05-12-2013 05:06PM

Are people in the 'hane really so lazy that they won't drive the 10 minutes or so it takes to get to Douglas? I have my doubts. Wilton would be a much better location imho. Although Burger King tried that, to no avail.

That aside, that's a bonkers site.

blindsider · 05-12-2013 05:10PM

Apparently McD's have had meetings with the Planners and only bought the land AFTER the meeting.

It looks too small to me - but I suspect that the 2 pitches will be pulled back a few metres to allow a McD's to be shoe-horned in.

It looks too small to me, but I'm not an engineer or planner. I'd have thought that road is busy enough already w/o adding more traffic to it.....

Days 298 · 05-12-2013 05:14PM

What's the story with the one planned for ballincollig?I'd love a drive thru nearer to me. Closest is Douglas I think.

Faith · 05-12-2013 05:54PM

rovoagho wrote: »

Are people in the 'hane really so lazy that they won't drive the 10 minutes or so it takes to get to Douglas? I have my doubts. Wilton would be a much better location imho. Although Burger King tried that, to no avail.

That aside, that's a bonkers site.

Douglas in general is an absolute nightmare traffic wise. It puts me off going to mcdonalds because I can never be bothered with the traffic, and I'm only in turners cross. I'd welcome a drive thru somewhere else on the south side.

hoodwinked · 05-12-2013 05:57PM

Faith wrote: »

Douglas in general is an absolute nightmare traffic wise. It puts me off going to mcdonalds because I can never be bothered with the traffic, and I'm only in turners cross. I'd welcome a drive thru somewhere else on the south side.

yes but now can you imagine the traffic backing up onto the tramore road/kinsale road like it does out of mcdonalds douglas carpark and out by the east village and some days even as far as the roundabout by dunnes.

at least in douglas it has three small (and avoidable) roads to back up before it hits another (avoidable) main road.

this will be smack bang at the corner of two main and busy roads.

Faith · 05-12-2013 06:12PM

hoodwinked wrote: »

yes but now can you imagine the traffic backing up onto the tramore road/kinsale road like it does out of mcdonalds douglas carpark and out by the east village and some days even as far as the roundabout by dunnes.

at least in douglas it has three small (and avoidable) roads to back up before it hits another (avoidable) main road.

this will be smack bang at the corner of two main and busy roads.

You could well be right. I only pass through there to go to Aldi off-peak once a week, so I don't know how heavy the traffic is there already

The Lost Sheep · 05-12-2013 10:21PM

who_me wrote: »

It doesn't really make much sense to me. "If I ruled Munster Rugby...", I'd make do with one training pitch there. I'd turn the other 90 degrees, and move it a little bit away from Tramore Road. Then you'd have a lot more space along the Kinsale Road and Tramore Road so you could have sold more land for a bit of extra moolah. Plus the training pitch wouldn't be more squashed and you'd have more room around the main stadium for future expansion.

You need 2 pitches for both tenant clubs as well as all the South Munster and Munster finals at all levels that are played there.

Good for Munster Rugby that site is sold. Would be very surprised to see a drive thru fit in that small a site but then again I'm not a planner, developer etc

murphym7 · 06-12-2013 04:53PM

rovoagho wrote: »

Are people in the 'hane really so lazy that they won't drive the 10 minutes or so it takes to get to Douglas? I have my doubts. Wilton would be a much better location imho. Although Burger King tried that, to no avail.

That aside, that's a bonkers site.

What are the details around the Burger King attempt? I was under the impression that BK St Patricks street has an exclusivity aggreement signed many years ago when BK only thought Cork was big enough for one location. I ask because I am a big BK fan and would love to know if there was a possibility of another some time.

DJ Hafez · 06-12-2013 05:43PM

Looks like it's going to eat into both pitches unless they decide to just survive with one

who_me · 06-12-2013 05:56PM

Yeah, that looks significantly wider than the existing strip of land between the end of the in-goal area and the wall.

ongarboy · 13-12-2013 04:49PM

Local residents are irate about McDonalds plans as per The Examiner.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2013/1212/ireland/residents-irate-as-mcdonaldaposs-silent-on-outlet-plans-252423.html

Tin Foil Hat · 13-12-2013 10:13PM

Faith wrote: »

You could well be right. I only pass through there to go to Aldi off-peak once a week, so I don't know how heavy the traffic is there already

I drive for a living, and am based very near to there. Traffic in that area is a shambles at peak times.

TINA1984 · 14-12-2013 09:27PM

Have to lol at the concerned residents about litter, Ballyphehane tends to be pretty filthy as it is.

evilivor · 14-12-2013 10:35PM

TINA1984 wrote: »

Have to lol at the concerned residents about litter, Ballyphehane tends to be pretty filthy as it is.

That'll be the Freemen there - they don't recognise Irish Litter Laws.

Ludo · 14-12-2013 11:19PM

TINA1984 wrote: »

Have to lol at the concerned residents about litter, Ballyphehane tends to be pretty filthy as it is.

That's a bit unfair. I'm not from ballyphehane and I don't live there but I never considered it filthy or even a litter blackspot.

Unless you mean parts of it near shops or fast food places which you could say about all parts of the city.

Bof No1 · 14-12-2013 11:43PM

Hi, I'd have to agree with Ludo, Ballyphehane is no better or worse than other parts of the city. I live in Togher and don't see Ballyphehane as being filthy. Take note of the fact that Maccy D's engaged with the planning office prior to purchase, but didn't and won't engage with the residents of the local area, in which they wish to site their outlet. Puts a different side to the "caring" face they try to portray!

DJ Hafez · 15-12-2013 01:29AM

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

Traffic in that area is a shambles at peak times.

I assume they're trying to capitalise on that!

two wheels good · 17-12-2013 02:41PM

TINA1984 wrote: »

Have to lol at the concerned residents about litter, Ballyphehane tends to be pretty filthy as it is.

Not so. My impression, cycling and driving through Ballyphehane, is that the area is very litter free. If you want to see litter take a look at Douglas village any weekend - and a lot of it is fast food wrapping.

McDonalds want to open in Ballyphehane.

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