McDonalds want to open in Ballyphehane.

ongarboy

I see McDonalds has applied to the council for a new drive thru McDonalds at Musgrave Park in Ballyphehane. That should generate at least 50 jobs I would think. Any more word on the McDonalds in Ballincollig opening or even being built yet? It was given permission earlier this year to go ahead.


http://www.loadza.com/notices/planning-apps-815/50

CORK CITY COUNCIL McDonald's Restaurants of Ireland Limited intend to apply for permission for development on a 0.441 Ha site, approximately, located at Musgrave Park, Kinsale Road/Tramore Road, Ballyphehane, Cork City, Co. Cork. The proposed development will consist of: the provision of a single storey drive-thru restaurant (361 sq m) including the ancillary sale of hot food for consumption off the premises, incorporating an enclosed yard (65 sq m), with an overall gross floor area of 432 sq m. The development will also consist of: the demolition of an approximately 3m high wall (195m wide) along Kinsale Road and Tramore Road, and the construction of a new boundary treatment on the southern, eastern and western boundaries of the site comprising a stone wall and timber fence; provision of a new vehicular and pedestrian entrance to the site off the Kinsale Road; 65 No. car parking spaces (including 58 No. standard spaces, 3 No. disabled spaces, 3 No. parked order spaces and 1 No. set-down space); bicycle parking stands; a height restrictor; 2 No. customer order points with canopies; associated elevational and free-standing signage; hard and soft landscaping; and all ancillary and associated works. The planning application may be inspected or purchased at a fee not exceeding the reasonable cost of making a copy at the offices of the Planning Authority, City Hall, Cork, during its public opening hours. A submission or observation in relation to the application may be made in writing to the Planning Authority on payment of the prescribed fee of 20 within the period of 5 weeks beginning on the date of receipt by the Authority of the application.
Posted: 20/11/2013

gimmick

Not a hope Dinos will let this happen. Mr Dino has far too much sway in thatparticular area for this to go ahead.

Not sure exactly where they want it though? Actually inside Musgrave Park or what?

AEDIC

gimmick wrote: »

Not a hope Dinos will let this happen. Mr Dino has far too much sway in thatparticular area for this to go ahead.

Not sure exactly where they want it though? Actually inside Musgrave Park or what?

The old CMP premises maybe on the corner there? That land has been flattened for a while now...ideal site for a drive through (if there is such a thing)

SpaceTime

I'm surprised there's none in Wilton or Bishopscourt or somewhere around that direction.

You'd also think perhaps EastGate in little island would have been an obvious one where KFC Drive Thru located..

Or a Drive Thru at Mahon Point .. / within reach of it.

That being said, I don't think I'd be very execited about new MaccyD's.. Not my kind of thing.

kub

AEDIC wrote: »

The old CMP premises maybe on the corner there? That land has been flattened for a while now...ideal site for a drive through (if there is such a thing)

Munster rugby recently sold land at the corner where Musgrave park meets Tramore Rd and Kinsale Rd. Rumour has it that Musgrave's the wholesalers own the land where the old CMP plant was.

blindsider

kub wrote: »

Munster rugby recently sold land at the corner where Musgrave park meets Tramore Rd and Kinsale Rd. Rumour has it that Musgrave's the wholesalers own the land where the old CMP plant was.

Correct.

Munste Rugby sold the strip of land, behind the wall facing Blackwater motors, to Mackie D's. I guess they would just about squeeze a Drive-thru in there, but I would wonder what it'll do to traffic.

Perhaps MCD's will buy the vacant Vita Cortex site beside it....

who_me

blindsider wrote: »

Correct.

Munste Rugby sold the strip of land, behind the wall facing Blackwater motors, to Mackie D's. I guess they would just about squeeze a Drive-thru in there, but I would wonder what it'll do to traffic.

Perhaps MCD's will buy the vacant Vita Cortex site beside it....

Is that where the trees are behind that wall? Shame that they'll have to be cut down.

I can't imagine they'd squeeze a drive through in there. Isn't there a Kitchen store in between that land and the Vita Cortex site?

ofcork

AEDIC wrote: »

The old CMP premises maybe on the corner there? That land has been flattened for a while now...ideal site for a drive through (if there is such a thing)

I believe blackwater motors have planning for a showroom there.

hoodwinked

if the strip intended is the one (it sounds like it is from the PP description of removing the wall) i can't imagine they'll get planning if the planner has an ounce of sense. won't it reek havoc on the junction a: on match days, and b: on mc donalds busy days! :eek:



it will be a no go area if you are driving

kub

ofcork wrote: »

I believe blackwater motors have planning for a showroom there.

That is right I thought after they had moved into the old Turners Cross Motors premises and rented out one side of the old Kevin O Leary garage on the Back Douglas Road that they had shelved it but apparently not.

AEDIC

From that photo it just shows what a tight squeeze it would be to fit a drive through on that bit of land....crazy, and a massive traffic issue I would think.

razorblunt

They sold that bit of land? Christ if you hit a wayward conversion back in the day against Dolphin or the Well it'd be on the road, can't imagine much property fitting in there.

who_me

It doesn't really make much sense to me. "If I ruled Munster Rugby...", I'd make do with one training pitch there. I'd turn the other 90 degrees, and move it a little bit away from Tramore Road. Then you'd have a lot more space along the Kinsale Road and Tramore Road so you could have sold more land for a bit of extra moolah. Plus the training pitch wouldn't be more squashed and you'd have more room around the main stadium for future expansion.

rovoagho

Are people in the 'hane really so lazy that they won't drive the 10 minutes or so it takes to get to Douglas? I have my doubts. Wilton would be a much better location imho. Although Burger King tried that, to no avail.

That aside, that's a bonkers site.

blindsider

Apparently McD's have had meetings with the Planners and only bought the land AFTER the meeting.

It looks too small to me - but I suspect that the 2 pitches will be pulled back a few metres to allow a McD's to be shoe-horned in.

It looks too small to me, but I'm not an engineer or planner. I'd have thought that road is busy enough already w/o adding more traffic to it.....

Days 298

What's the story with the one planned for ballincollig?I'd love a drive thru nearer to me. Closest is Douglas I think.

Faith

rovoagho wrote: »

Are people in the 'hane really so lazy that they won't drive the 10 minutes or so it takes to get to Douglas? I have my doubts. Wilton would be a much better location imho. Although Burger King tried that, to no avail.

That aside, that's a bonkers site.

Douglas in general is an absolute nightmare traffic wise. It puts me off going to mcdonalds because I can never be bothered with the traffic, and I'm only in turners cross. I'd welcome a drive thru somewhere else on the south side.

hoodwinked

Faith wrote: »

Douglas in general is an absolute nightmare traffic wise. It puts me off going to mcdonalds because I can never be bothered with the traffic, and I'm only in turners cross. I'd welcome a drive thru somewhere else on the south side.

yes but now can you imagine the traffic backing up onto the tramore road/kinsale road like it does out of mcdonalds douglas carpark and out by the east village and some days even as far as the roundabout by dunnes.

at least in douglas it has three small (and avoidable) roads to back up before it hits another (avoidable) main road.


this will be smack bang at the corner of two main and busy roads.

Faith

hoodwinked wrote: »

yes but now can you imagine the traffic backing up onto the tramore road/kinsale road like it does out of mcdonalds douglas carpark and out by the east village and some days even as far as the roundabout by dunnes.

at least in douglas it has three small (and avoidable) roads to back up before it hits another (avoidable) main road.


this will be smack bang at the corner of two main and busy roads.

You could well be right. I only pass through there to go to Aldi off-peak once a week, so I don't know how heavy the traffic is there already

The Lost Sheep

who_me wrote: »

It doesn't really make much sense to me. "If I ruled Munster Rugby...", I'd make do with one training pitch there. I'd turn the other 90 degrees, and move it a little bit away from Tramore Road. Then you'd have a lot more space along the Kinsale Road and Tramore Road so you could have sold more land for a bit of extra moolah. Plus the training pitch wouldn't be more squashed and you'd have more room around the main stadium for future expansion.

You need 2 pitches for both tenant clubs as well as all the South Munster and Munster finals at all levels that are played there.

Good for Munster Rugby that site is sold. Would be very surprised to see a drive thru fit in that small a site but then again I'm not a planner, developer etc

murphym7

rovoagho wrote: »

Are people in the 'hane really so lazy that they won't drive the 10 minutes or so it takes to get to Douglas? I have my doubts. Wilton would be a much better location imho. Although Burger King tried that, to no avail.

That aside, that's a bonkers site.

What are the details around the Burger King attempt? I was under the impression that BK St Patricks street has an exclusivity aggreement signed many years ago when BK only thought Cork was big enough for one location. I ask because I am a big BK fan and would love to know if there was a possibility of another some time.

DJ Hafez

Looks like it's going to eat into both pitches unless they decide to just survive with one

who_me

Yeah, that looks significantly wider than the existing strip of land between the end of the in-goal area and the wall.

ongarboy

Local residents are irate about McDonalds plans as per The Examiner.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2013/1212/ireland/residents-irate-as-mcdonaldaposs-silent-on-outlet-plans-252423.html

Tin Foil Hat

Faith wrote: »

You could well be right. I only pass through there to go to Aldi off-peak once a week, so I don't know how heavy the traffic is there already

I drive for a living, and am based very near to there. Traffic in that area is a shambles at peak times.

TINA1984

Have to lol at the concerned residents about litter, Ballyphehane tends to be pretty filthy as it is.

evilivor

TINA1984 wrote: »

Have to lol at the concerned residents about litter, Ballyphehane tends to be pretty filthy as it is.

That'll be the Freemen there - they don't recognise Irish Litter Laws.

Ludo

TINA1984 wrote: »

Have to lol at the concerned residents about litter, Ballyphehane tends to be pretty filthy as it is.

That's a bit unfair. I'm not from ballyphehane and I don't live there but I never considered it filthy or even a litter blackspot.

Unless you mean parts of it near shops or fast food places which you could say about all parts of the city.

Bof No1

Hi, I'd have to agree with Ludo, Ballyphehane is no better or worse than other parts of the city. I live in Togher and don't see Ballyphehane as being filthy. Take note of the fact that Maccy D's engaged with the planning office prior to purchase, but didn't and won't engage with the residents of the local area, in which they wish to site their outlet. Puts a different side to the "caring" face they try to portray!

DJ Hafez

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

Traffic in that area is a shambles at peak times.

I assume they're trying to capitalise on that!

two wheels good

TINA1984 wrote: »

Have to lol at the concerned residents about litter, Ballyphehane tends to be pretty filthy as it is.

Not so. My impression, cycling and driving through Ballyphehane, is that the area is very litter free. If you want to see litter take a look at Douglas village any weekend - and a lot of it is fast food wrapping.

Sleephead

ongarboy wrote: »

Local residents are irate about McDonalds plans as per The Examiner.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2013/1212/ireland/residents-irate-as-mcdonaldaposs-silent-on-outlet-plans-252423.html

NIMBY!

hoodwinked

two wheels good wrote: »

Not so. My impression, cycling and driving through Ballyphehane, is that the area is very litter free. If you want to see litter take a look at Douglas village any weekend - and a lot of it is fast food wrapping.

Its all McDonalds fault, wait and soon you'll see* :pac:




*completely joking of course

yenom

Ever notice how it's always fat people in these places.

rovoagho

Did you catch sight of yourself in the mirror when you were noticing?

ongarboy

According to the Cork Independent, the city council have granted permission to McDonalds to open at Musgrave Park with a few conditions including having to close at 10pm every night.

It also said a McDonald's drivethru is under construction in Ballincollig.

byronbay2

ongarboy wrote: »

According to the Cork Independent, the city council have granted permission to McDonalds to open at Musgrave Park with a few conditions including having to close at 10pm every night.

Yeah, correct. Will have drive-thru and sit-down with 65 parking spaces. I think ground work has begun already. Site is 1 acre. Open 07.00-22.00, 7 days a week. I don't know but presume that the high (Musgrave Park) wall will be going and entry will be beside the Express Kitchen place across from the Great Gas service station.

blindsider

Lot of groundwork done on this now. Reckon it'll open by June.

ofcork

Their ballincollig branch officially open today.

ongarboy

McDonalds drive-thru now open on Kinsale Road alongside Musgrave Park according to Examiner. Apparently 400 applied for the 60 jobs offered.

http://www.mosgroup.ie/works-complete-at-mcdonalds-restaurant-kinsale-road-cork/

blindsider

:mad:Damn!!!!! I was a month out!:mad:

.red.

I was in there last night. Seemed a bit small but was packed before the game at the cross, itll probably only get that busy before a match.

hufpc8w3adnk65

.red. wrote: »

I was in there last night. Seemed a bit small but was packed before the game at the cross, itll probably only get that busy before a match.

I can see it being busy on sat and Sunday afternoons with family's and with big industrial estates on tramore road, musgraves, a few estates across from centra I think it'll do a nice lunch time trade too

ongarboy

.red. wrote: »

I was in there last night. Seemed a bit small but was packed before the game at the cross, itll probably only get that busy before a match.

An international billion dollar revenue operation like McDonalds would not just locate in an area where it would only get busy custom around matches or occasional situations.. They have done their market research to know that there will be consistent demand for their breakfast, lunch and evening business 7 days a week. McDonalds is a destination restaurant too so people not from the immediate area will take the spin over for their Big Mac also.

Ludo

I passed twice yesterday and looked busy enough both times (sunday morning and sunday evening). Plenty of cars going in and out. I'd say it will do very well there. And it will relieve some of the crowds from the Douglas outlet which can get very busy from the amount of cars usually around it.

.red.

ongarboy wrote: »

An international billion dollar revenue operation like McDonalds would not just locate in an area where it would only get busy custom around matches or occasional situations.. They have done their market research to know that there will be consistent demand for their breakfast, lunch and evening business 7 days a week. McDonalds is a destination restaurant too so people not from the immediate area will take the spin over for their Big Mac also.

I never said it wouldnt be busy, just that it wouldnt be as busy on a normal day as it would for a match at the cross.
When i was in, there were people queing as far back as the entrance door and people who got their food were leaning against walls eating it. I had to hold my sons hand and lead him thru the crowd as we were leaving.

aujopimur

There was a notable amount of McD litter on Kinsale Rd. sunday morning, the owner should do a litter patrol if he wants to be a good neighbour.

Douglas Eegit

aujopimur wrote: »

There was a notable amount of McD litter on Kinsale Rd. sunday morning, the owner should do a litter patrol if he wants to be a good neighbour.

What radius would you like them to cover, 1KM litter patrol?

Ludo

aujopimur wrote: »

There was a notable amount of McD litter on Kinsale Rd. sunday morning, the owner should do a litter patrol if he wants to be a good neighbour.

Maybe if the locals were good neighbours to begin with they wouldn't throw their rubbish on the roads. But sure easy to blame the new business providing jobs while ignoring to actual issue.

I used to walk home or other places regularly from Dinos or Zicos in Turners Cross when I was young. I did not throw the rubbish on the road as I was brought up not to.

okedoke

TINA1984 wrote: »

Have to lol at the concerned residents about litter, Ballyphehane tends to be pretty filthy as it is.

Ballyphehane in general and Tramore rd in particular is the worst area I'm familiar with for dog sh!t, both in bags and not. Scooping dog crap into a bag and then throwing the bag on the ground, where it will last for months, shows a pretty weird mindset.

ofcork

Ludo wrote: »

I passed twice yesterday and looked busy enough both times (sunday morning and sunday evening). Plenty of cars going in and out. I'd say it will do very well there. And it will relieve some of the crowds from the Douglas outlet which can get very busy from the amount of cars usually around it.

Half of those cars aren't even customers,saw people myself on sat night parking up and walking away out.