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Gerry Adams : Terrorist or Freedom Fighter?

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  • #452
    LordSutch
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    Nodin wrote: »
    War is a cruel business. It's a shame you don't have the same ire for those who caused it in the first place.

    Terrorism is a disgusting business, and for that Adams will always be remembered in a negative light. There was no just cause to launch the Troubles, and with over 3000 peopled dead as a result, Adams and the rest of the perpetrators should hang their heads in shame.


  • #453
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Nodin wrote: »
    O but he is. That's why he's standing in an honour guard around Mandelas coffin instead of Trimble, Cameron, Major, Mallon and the rest.


    War is a cruel business. It's a shame you don't have the same ire for those who caused it in the first place.

    Not surprised Nodin is trying to justify terrorist sponsored murder since Adams is part of the guard of honour at Mandela's funeral. I suppose that makes the 1500+ the PIRA killed in the troubles worthwhile. The shiner PR machine working full tilt it seems. Sicking that they are using the his death as some sort of marketing tool for their own murder campaign.


  • #454
    Nodin
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    Terrorism is a disgusting business, and for that Adams will always be remembered in a negative light..

    By some. A great deal disagree. Even more worldwide and as time goes on. That's why it's Sinn Fein by that coffin today and not some representative of unionism.
    LordSutch wrote: »
    There was no just cause to launch the Troubles,.


    But there was. A sectarian statelet. You seem unable to be able to remove your loyalty to oppressor culture long enough to see that.
    LordSutch wrote: »
    ........and with over 3000 peopled dead as a result, Adams and the rest of the perpetrators should hang their heads in shame.

    The IRA did not begin the "troubles". Which again, raises the issue of why you can't direct your ire at those responsible.


  • #455
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    jank wrote: »
    Not (.............)for their own murder campaign.

    What's all this? The republican movement has had links with the ANC going way back to the 1970's.


  • #456
    Fred Swanson
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  • #457
    jank
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    You are implying that because Adams is there today that the PIRA have won the moral high ground. Sicking behaviour from shiner bots using a mans death for their own gain and PR. Thankfully the voting public won't fall for it.


  • #458
    rockatansky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭rockatansky


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Terrorism is a disgusting business, and for that Adams will always be remembered in a negative light. There was no just cause to launch the Troubles, and with over 3000 peopled dead as a result, Adams and the rest of the perpetrators should hang their heads in shame.

    Like it or not the terrorism you refer to is how this, and many other countries, came into existence.

    And as for no just cause to launch the troubles, what do you expect people to do when they are being burned out of their homes and forced to live as second class citizens, be grateful for it and bow down???

    The troubled were a result of the 'Protestant state for a Protestant people' policy, nothing else.


  • #459
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.


    Was there a point you were trying to make before you gave up and dropped a half hearted jibe in it's place?


  • #460
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    jank wrote: »
    You are implying that because Adams is there today that the PIRA have won the moral high ground. .......

    Not at all. The republican movement always had the high ground.


  • #461
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Nodin wrote: »
    Even more worldwide and as time goes on.

    I can't deny that there is even more terrorism worldwide, but I still don't agree with it as a means to an end.
    Nodin wrote: »
    But there was. A sectarian statelet. You seem unable to be able to remove your loyalty to oppressor culture long enough to see that.

    Nothing that the Unionist administration did warrented the Troubles in all its awful & depressing horror.

    Aren't you the lad Nodin, as a self proclaimed IRA fan, & with your ever so proud 'high ground' perspective, with your version . . ..


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  • #462
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Got to laugh at the level of debate yourself and a few others are capable of.

    If you have nothing to contribute towards discussion then why keep coming back to the thread? Are you that desperate for approval from the handful of other posters who can do little other than spew out the same cheap soundbites?

    Pathetic!


  • #463
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    LordSutch wrote:
    I can't deny that there is even more terrorism worldwide, but I still don't agree with it as a means to an end..

    Not what I was saying. More and more see the correct nature of the Republican movement as time goes on. Abroad, where many have had their own struggles for independence in far more recent times, they've a far better perspective on such matters.
    LordSutch wrote:
    Nothing that the Unionist administration did warrented the Troubles in all its awful & depressing horror.

    ...but of course they did. They responded to peaceful attempts at protest with violence, after decades of intermittent suppressive violence and discrimination. There is only so much people can tolerate.
    LordSutch wrote:
    Aren't you the lad Nodin.

    Alas my years render such a description all too inacurrate.


  • #464
    MRnotlob606
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭MRnotlob606


    hes neither both as he is a hypocrite


  • #465
    rockatansky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭rockatansky


    LordSutch wrote: »


    Nothing that the Unionist administration did warrented the Troubles in all its awful & depressing ..

    Where to start on that one.


  • #466
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    rockatansky wrote: »
    Where to start on that one.


    By either crying or laughing. I think the latter the better choice, overall.


  • #467
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Nothing that the Unionist administration did warrented the Troubles in all its awful & depressing horror.
    rockatansky wrote: »
    Where to start on that one.
    Nodin wrote: »
    By either crying or laughing. I think the latter the better choice, overall.

    3000 people killed is no laughing matter.


  • #468
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    LordSutch wrote: »
    3000 people killed is no laughing matter.


    It's your assertion that's the object of mirth....


  • #469
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    My assertion being; "Nothing that the Unionist administration did warrented the Troubles in all its awful & depressing horror".

    No mirth there that I can see.


  • #470
    rockatansky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭rockatansky


    LordSutch wrote: »
    My assertion being; "Nothing that the Unionist administration did warrented the Troubles in all its awful & depressing horror".

    Their desire to dominate, isolate and discriminate a large section of the population based on nationality and religious beliefs is the core reason for war breaking out.

    A desire that is very much still live today by the unionist population.

    Your inability to comprehend the fact that people would resist against by any means possible is astounding.


  • #471
    Fred Swanson
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  • #472
    LordSutch
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    rockatansky wrote: »
    Their desire to dominate, isolate and discriminate a large section of the population based on nationality and religious beliefs is the core reason for war breaking out.

    If it had been a war the IRA would have been crushed in about two days, but of course it was a dirty terrorist/guerrella campaign waged by evil people who were even more bigoted and tribal than their Loyalist rivals.
    rockatansky wrote: »
    Your inability to comprehend the fact that people would resist against by any means possible is astounding.

    What about the SDLP and their political strategy?


  • #473
    Nodin
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    If it had been a war the IRA would have been crushed in about two days, but of course it was a dirty terrorist/guerrella campaign waged by evil people who were even more bigoted and tribal than their Loyalist rivals.


    Bit odd they had links with Arabs, Africans, Spaniards and one of their founding members was a Protestant then.
    LordSutch wrote: »
    What about the SDLP and their political strategy?

    What about them indeed.


  • #474
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    LordSutch wrote: »
    If it had been a war the IRA would have been crushed in about two days, but of course it was a dirty terrorist/guerrella campaign waged by evil people who were even more bigoted and tribal than their Loyalist rivals.



    What about the SDLP and their political strategy?



    To busy in the golf club.


  • #475
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Busted Flat. wrote: »
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    To busy in the golf club.


    Or droning on. There was drones in the SDLP before the Americans ever came up with them.


  • #476
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


    This post has been deleted.


  • #477
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Well that would be part of a negotiated process involving a number of parties. It won't be one mans vision, nor will it be anytime soon.


  • #478
    Fr. Ned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    In the same way the same old tripe is trotted out by people like yourself.


  • #479
    Fr. Ned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    LordSutch wrote: »
    I


    What about the SDLP and their political strategy?

    The people passed judgement on that at the ballot box.


  • #480
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    The people passed judgement on that at the ballot box.

    Context is everything: During the troubles when the IRA were in full murdering mode and the body parts were being scraped off the pavements, Sinn Fein were at a very low ebb (and the SDLP were riding high in Nationalist opion polls), then the IRA stopped their evil campaign and Sinn Fein slowly gained political credability, precisely because they began to adopt (steal) the SDLPs peaceful march towards a resolution to the Northern Ireland troubles (perpetrated by the PIRA).


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  • #481
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    The people passed judgement on that at the ballot box.

    Lord Fitt started their demise after he shot at his constituents.


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