Gerry Adams : Terrorist or Freedom Fighter?

Fr. Ned · 13-12-2013 10:49PM

Anyway, Adams is a politician who may or may not have been in the PIRA.
He was one of the main players in bringing about the peace process.
He is the leader of a political party which is increasing it's vote after every election here.

The main problem people have with Adams and SF is that they might break up the cosy little cartel that has been Irish politics for decades.

That, for me, can only be a good thing.

bazza1 · 13-12-2013 11:02PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Weak, very weak.

Are you gilmore or kenny????

Ooh burn! Lets not ask St Gerry anything controversial!

Fr. Ned · 13-12-2013 11:09PM

bazza1 wrote: »

Ooh burn! Lets not ask St Gerry anything controversial!

He should be asked in the appropriate forum.

Do you think that when Adams asks kenny in Dail Eireann about the 'top up' scandal it is right that kenny replies with 'You were in the IRA, weren't you in the IRA?, nobody believes you'????

Adams is far from a saint, but some of the hysterical cr*p that has been about in the last few weeks is pathetic and the real reasons for it are quite obvious.

bazza1 · 13-12-2013 11:11PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Anyway, Adams is a politician who may or may not have been in the PIRA.
A politician we cant believe in!
He was one of the main players in bringing about the peace process.
The penny finally dropped that politics and democracy are better than violence...Bravo!
He is the leader of a political party which is increasing it's vote after every election here.
Due to the dissatisfaction in the main parties by the electorate! We await cogent policies!

The main problem people have with Adams and SF is that they might break up the cosy little cartel that has been Irish politics for decades.
Agreed...if they have a functional set of policies and a cogent road map forward!

That, for me, can only be a good thing.

Lets see! Thats the democratic way!

dxhound2005 · 13-12-2013 11:12PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Anyway, Adams is a politician who may or may not have been in the PIRA.
He was one of the main players in bringing about the peace process.
He is the leader of a political party which is increasing it's vote after every election here.

The main problem people have with Adams and SF is that they might break up the cosy little cartel that has been Irish politics for decades.

That, for me, can only be a good thing.

Do you understand the concept of a cartel? There was certainly no cartel in the decades that Fianna Fail ruled as a one party government. Or since then when only certain parties got into power in coalition and left the rest in oppostion.

Sinn Fein may have to choose to join a coalition in the future with some of those parties you say operated a cartel. But given their disastrous governance in Northern Ireland I don't know who would want them.

bazza1 · 13-12-2013 11:14PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

He should be asked in the appropriate forum.

Do you think that when Adams asks kenny in Dail Eireann about the 'top up' scandal it is right that kenny replies with 'You were in the IRA, weren't you in the IRA?, nobody believes you'????

Adams is far from a saint, but some of the hysterical cr*p that has been about in the last few weeks is pathetic and the real reasons for it are quite obvious.

Correct! ALL politicians should be questioned on public interest matters and it reflects poorly on Kenny that he diverts attention away from transparency by bouncing a question back at Adams.

Fr. Ned · 13-12-2013 11:17PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Do you understand the concept of a cartel? There was certainly no cartel in the decades that Fianna Fail ruled as a one party government. Or since then when only certain parties got into coalition and left the rest in oppostion.

Sinn Fein may have to choose to join a coalition in the future with some of those parties you say operated a cartel. But given their disastrous governance in Northern Ireland I don't know who would want them.

Well, to be fair, what they have in the 6 counties isn't really a 'democratically elected government' now is it?
It's basically a glorified council funded from London.

Maybe 'cartel' was the wrong word, consensus would have been better.

kryogen · 13-12-2013 11:26PM

Nelson Mandela : Terrorist or Freedom Fighter?

You decide

Banjo String · 13-12-2013 11:28PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Sinn Fein may have to choose to join a coalition in the future with some of those parties you say operated a cartel. But given their disastrous governance in Northern Ireland I don't know who would want them.

What's this?

What has been disastrous with their governance in the north

Nationalists can vote the SDLP back into power if they're doing so badly.

Nodin · 14-12-2013 12:05AM

LordSutch wrote: »

The British Army were a blunt tool, initially to keep the two tribes apart, and laterly to combat the Terrorist threat from the likes of the IRA/INLA/UFF/UVF etc. The RUC found themselves between a rock & a hard place, and they carried out a very hard job in very testing circumstances. A lot of very good RUC officers were murdered by the IRA, and Adams never condemned these murders, and for that he will never be forgiven.

The RUC were both the rock and the hard place for the nationalist population, hence the IRA.

yohan the great · 14-12-2013 12:54AM

In many ways Gerry Adams is very similar to Nelson Mandela

Fred Swanson · 14-12-2013 12:58AM

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kryogen · 14-12-2013 01:00AM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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More ways then you might like to admit alright

LordSutch · 14-12-2013 01:07AM

yohan the great wrote: »

In many ways Gerry Adams is very similar to Nelson Mandela

Nothing like Mandela.

WilyCoyote · 14-12-2013 01:08AM

Because they had nothing to hide .......... they incinerated truck loads of files. And William Haig apologised .......... because they did nothing wrong.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/revealed-how-british-empires-dirty-secrets-went-up-in-smoke-in-the-colonies-8971217.html

[-0-] · 14-12-2013 01:10AM

Not touching this with a barge pole.

Santa Cruz · 14-12-2013 01:38AM

yohan the great wrote: »

In many ways Gerry Adams is very similar to Nelson Mandela

Tall dark haired talked ****e to justify random murder. Oh yes I see the similarity

Nodin · 14-12-2013 02:10AM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Tall dark haired talked ****e to justify random murder. Oh yes I see the similarity

So you were against the struggle against apartheid? Classy.

darlett · 14-12-2013 02:27AM

Nodin wrote: »

So you were against the struggle against apartheid? Classy.

Fuuucking WHAT?

Stained Class · 14-12-2013 02:31AM

Haven't read the thread, but in reply to OP.

Grizzly & his ilk were total scummers. Nothing more and nothing less.

Okay, in the latter years his sort kinda embraced the more enlightned way of going about things. Twas to his advantage. He played it everyway.

'I have never been in the IRA'

Yeah. Whatever.

Can't even begin to tell the truth.

G'wan out the door ya' scruffy Git!:mad:

darlett · 14-12-2013 02:33AM

bazza1 wrote: »

Ooh burn! Lets not ask St Gerry anything controversial!

Fr. Ned wrote: »

He should be asked in the appropriate forum.

Is that not the After Hours then? It's not ancient history either. Whats the correct forum for asking him about what he did?

WilyCoyote · 14-12-2013 02:36AM

darlett wrote: »

Fuuucking WHAT?

Simple explanation underneath

a·part·heid (-pärtht, -ht)
n.
1. An official policy of racial segregation formerly practiced in the Republic of South Africa, involving political, legal, and economic discrimination against nonwhites.
2. A policy or practice of separating or segregating groups.
3. The condition of being separated from others; segregation.

Otherwise known as DIVIDE AND CONQUER

Busted Flat. · 14-12-2013 02:53AM

Stained Class wrote: »

Haven't read the thread, but in reply to OP.

Grizzly & his ilk were total scummers. Nothing more and nothing less.

Okay, in the latter years his sort kinda embraced the more enlightned way of going about things. Twas to his advantage. He played it everyway.

'I have never been in the IRA'

Yeah. Whatever.

Can't even begin to tell the truth.

G'wan out the door ya' scruffy Git!:mad:

By your post you are far away from the cutting edge of information.

tdv123 · 14-12-2013 02:54AM

Neither.

Most real Republicans these days regard him as a sellout.

Martin McGuinness was giving a speech at the Bloody Sunday commemoration a few years ago & half the crowd walked away once he started speaking.

SF is viewed as just another middle class nationalist party among Republicans.

The IRA hasn't gone away and Republican groups are under no illusions of a quick British withdrawal their it for the long haul. Their just waiting for the British to make another blunder like Bloody Sunday or Falls curfew.

Busted Flat. · 14-12-2013 02:59AM

tdv123 wrote: »

Neither.

Most real Republicans these days regard him as a sellout.

Martin McGuinness was giving a speech at the Bloody Sunday commemoration a few years ago & half the crowd walked away once he started speaking.

SF is viewed as just another middle class nationalist party among Republicans.

The IRA hasn't gone away and Republican groups are under no illusions of a quick British withdrawal their it for the long haul. Their just waiting for the British to make another blunder like Bloody Sunday or Falls curfew.

Try and enter the real world, you would be surprised.

darlett · 14-12-2013 03:03AM

yohan the great wrote: »

In many ways Gerry Adams is very similar to Nelson Mandela

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Tall dark haired talked ****e to justify random murder. Oh yes I see the similarity

Nodin wrote: »

So you were against the struggle against apartheid? Classy.

darlett wrote: »

Fuuucking WHAT?

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Simple explanation underneath

a·part·heid (-pärtht, -ht)
n.
1. An official policy of racial segregation formerly practiced in the Republic of South Africa, involving political, legal, and economic discrimination against nonwhites.
2. A policy or practice of separating or segregating groups.
3. The condition of being separated from others; segregation.

Otherwise known as DIVIDE AND CONQUER

You've quoted me and attempted to give an explanation (and its been thanked

) to my confusion over why a poster Santa Cruz was hilariously being accused of being against the struggle for apartheid simple for simply referencing the recent story where Adams blamed RUC officers for been at fault in their own murders. Slightly over defensive do you think?

And your explanation is "Apartheid is a policy or practice of separating of segrating groups." ?

Are you trolling or you simply a complete thick?

For what its worth I love that Gerry was vocal in saying that Dunnes Stores should pay the checkout girls tickets to South Africa. If he wants groups who carried out misdeeds in the 1980s to provide monetary compensation to their victims well NAMA are going to get their hands on his old boys fairly soon...

Stained Class · 14-12-2013 03:10AM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

By your post you are far away from the cutting edge of information.

Really. Why is that then?

tdv123 · 14-12-2013 03:11AM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Try and enter the real world, you would be surprised.

Talk to any other Republican they'll tell you the same thing.

WilyCoyote · 14-12-2013 03:20AM

darlett wrote: »

You've quoted me and attempted to give an explanation (and its been thanked ) to my confusion over why a poster Santa Cruz was hilariously being accused of being against the struggle for apartheid simple for simply referencing the recent story where Adams blamed RUC officers for been at fault in their own murders. Slightly over defensive do you think?

And your explanation is "Apartheid is a policy or practice of separating of segrating groups." ?

Are you trolling or you simply a complete thick?

For what its worth I love that Gerry was vocal in saying that Dunnes Stores should pay the checkout girls tickets to South Africa. If he wants groups who carried out misdeeds in the 1980s to provide monetary compensation to their victims well NAMA are going to get their hands on his old boys fairly soon...

Nobody (AFAIK) has questioned your intelligence or lack of.
Your final sentence is the wishful thinking of a deluded personality

The war is over and Britain has f***** up once again

Amazing that Cameron thought Mandela a terrorist a few years back and last week lauded him. What changed his mind? Dementia? Or just the natural Britishness of speaking out of both sides of the mouth simultaneously.

WilyCoyote · 14-12-2013 03:30AM

darlett wrote: »

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For what its worth I love that Gerry was vocal in saying that Dunnes Stores should pay the checkout girls tickets to South Africa. If he wants groups who carried out misdeeds in the 1980s to provide monetary compensation to their victims well NAMA are going to get their hands on his old boys fairly soon...

Am glad for George Osborne's sake that you kept it to the 80s. Imagine if Britain had to pay compensation to the millions that it abused over the last century alone.

Ben Dunne eulogised Mandela ......... while a few years back giving stick to Mandela supporters. Hypocritical or not?

Gerry Adams : Terrorist or Freedom Fighter?

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