Farming Chit Chat III

TITANIUM. · 12-12-2013 08:21PM

jersey101 wrote: »

i know what ye mean. I couldn't give a toss about the next door neighbour but i feel sorry for the sheep lad. He got a bad doing in spring with schmallenberg

Jesus the poor old devil. The dairy bubble boys are gearing up for 2015. Expect more of the same around the country. Theres a nice 30 odd acer farm going on the market just back the road here. The vultures are circling already. I love to win the EuroMillions and keep bidding 50 euro above um. R let them fight it out and come in at the last minute with a ONE MILLION DOLLARS bid.

TITANIUM. · 12-12-2013 08:22PM

moy83 wrote: »

Did you ever see so many fine cars under them aswell

Kept women. .....

jersey101 · 12-12-2013 08:35PM

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Jesus the poor old devil. The dairy bubble boys are gearing up for 2015. Expect more of the same around the country. Theres a nice 30 odd acer farm going on the market just back the road here. The vultures are circling already. I love to win the EuroMillions and keep bidding 50 euro above um. R let them fight it out and come in at the last minute with a ONE MILLION DOLLARS bid.

i just dont understand why he needs to grab 135 acres + other land he already has rented. In September he was topping grass because he had too much if it

delaval · 12-12-2013 08:35PM

jersey101 wrote: »

Utter war is goin on between the neighbours down here. Two beef/sheep lads had 110 acres leased off a neighbour. One man has only 25 acres and sheep around the house and had half this 110 acres leased. Now he has none and he has over 150 ewes and only reseeded his part this year and last year. Seemingly my neighbour, dairy farmer, has taken it all from under them. And ge is going to knock a hole in the ditch if another piece of ground he grabbed and walk cows to it.

He wont get any luck for doing that

Welcome to my world.
Jersey this will happen you once or twice and I guarantee you'll do it once, everybody has. They think they haven't but someone some where is sore when they don't get land.

Those guys fell asleep at the wheel. If you have a lease you need to be in negotiating an extension within 2-3 years and keep it rolling.

Alarm bells need to ring when any change in the landlords circumstance changes. In this case it was the return of her son. It could be a marriage a divorce or kids going to college. Most land lords do not care who is farming the land, in Iteland anyway.

Never trust a landlord or a neighbour

jersey101 · 12-12-2013 08:41PM

delaval wrote: »

Welcome to my world.
Jersey this will happen you once or twice and I guarantee you'll do it once, everybody has. They think they haven't but someone some where is sore when they don't get land.

Those guys fell asleep at the wheel. If you have a lease you need to be in negotiating an extension within 2-3 years and keep it rolling.

Alarm bells need to ring when any change in the landlords circumstance changes. In this case it was the return of her son. It could be a marriage a divorce or kids going to college. Most land lords do not care who is farming the land, in Iteland anyway.

Never trust a landlord or a neighbour

ah but the lad doesnt need it tbh and throwing a lad off ground that needs it more than you do is bad form. We had a deal nearly done with another neighbour over 40ac and this lad got it then. Didnt bother us tbh but i think this lad just likes to think he's a big fella

jaymla627 · 12-12-2013 08:54PM

jersey101 wrote: »

ah but the lad doesnt need it tbh and throwing a lad off ground that needs it more than you do is bad form. We had a deal nearly done with another neighbour over 40ac and this lad got it then. Didnt bother us tbh but i think this lad just likes to think he's a big fella

How many cows is this lad thinking of going to must be 200 plus has he even got his own place set-up to handle the numbers.
Banks must be throwing money out to lads like this if he"z got such buying power, but given the way banks see dairying as the it thing at the minute moneys handy got, its paying it back that is going to snooker lads, intrest only loans could be something Irish lads might have to adapt from our kiwi friends.
A good friend of mine recently got a 200,000 grand loan to go milking on his 40 acre block with another 30 rented around the parlour he has another 100 acres of land in 3 different places but it a lot of debt for a max of 100 cows in what's going to be a high cost system given his small grazing block.

jersey101 · 12-12-2013 09:04PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

How many cows is this lad thinking of going to must be 200 plus has he even got his own place set-up to handle the numbers.
Banks must be throwing money out to lads like this if he"z got such buying power, but given the way banks see dairying as the it thing at the minute moneys handy got, its paying it back that is going to snooker lads, intrest only loans could be something Irish lads might have to adapt from our kiwi friends.
A good friend of mine recently got a 200,000 grand loan to go milking on his 40 acre block with another 30 rented around the parlour he has another 100 acres of land in 3 different places but it a lot of debt for a max of 100 cows in what's going to be a high cost system given his small grazing block.

to make it pay he has to. He has these massive yeilding HOs that cant walk a mile without falling apart never mind the 5 they will be walking if he does this. He has a 14 unit parlour and covered over the whole yard last year with abig shed. The son gas a job with a grass firm in waterford so he must be coming home id say. The storey goes that he tried to buy other ground but the bank wouldnt give him the money. Fair play to him any way, i dont talk to him that much any way ha

darragh_haven · 12-12-2013 09:15PM

delaval wrote: »

No she hasn't, I told her it was all cow talk!!!!

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Your a bad man

jaymla627 · 12-12-2013 09:23PM

jersey101 wrote: »

to make it pay he has to. He has these massive yeilding HOs that cant walk a mile without falling apart never mind the 5 they will be walking if he does this. He has a 14 unit parlour and covered over the whole yard last year with abig shed. The son gas a job with a grass firm in waterford so he must be coming home id say. The storey goes that he tried to buy other ground but the bank wouldnt give him the money. Fair play to him any way, i dont talk to him that much any way ha

You"ll definitely see a big new shiny zero-grazer around that place so, sounds like he could have a nice hole dug for himself if milk drops below 30 cent a litre.

awaywithyou · 12-12-2013 11:22PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

You"ll definitely see a big new shiny zero-grazer around that place so, sounds like he could have a nice hole dug for himself if milk drops below 30 cent a litre.

Milk will be very unlikely to go below 30cents again.... Maybe one year in 4 it might happen.... If it does.... So be it... He'll be grand.... It's not as if he's going to 3000 cows like delaval is...:pac:

If the price of milk tanks it'll be the guys in New Zealand and the USA who'll fold...

In that magazine with the IFJ last week... Couple in Canada milking cows have borrowings of 24894 euros per cow....

No fear of that dude in jerseys neck of the woods

delaval · 13-12-2013 12:19AM

awaywithyou wrote: »

Milk will be very unlikely to go below 30cents again.... Maybe one year in 4 it might happen.... If it does.... So be it... He'll be grand.... It's not as if he's going to 3000 cows like delaval is...:pac:

If the price of milk tanks it'll be the guys in New Zealand and the USA who'll fold...

In that magazine with the IFJ last week... Couple in Canada milking cows have borrowings of 24894 euros per cow....

No fear of that dude in jerseys neck of the woods

Are you that dude

jersey101 · 13-12-2013 12:21AM

delaval wrote: »

Are you that dude

are you a former WMP producer this man is very grumpy about joining glanbia. He wouldn't talk to the father in the pub on saturday night

Sharpshooter82 · 13-12-2013 12:22AM

awaywithyou wrote: »

Milk will be very unlikely to go below 30cents again.... Maybe one year in 4 it might happen.... If it does.... So be it... He'll be grand.... It's not as if he's going to 3000 cows like delaval is...:pac:

If the price of milk tanks it'll be the guys in New Zealand and the USA who'll fold...

In that magazine with the IFJ last week... Couple in Canada milking cows have borrowings of 24894 euros per cow....

No fear of that dude in jerseys neck of the woods

That's a lot to be banking on that the price stays above a certain level, sure with the farms getting larger and more production I can see the price coming down and a lot of diary men around here are a bit nervous about it.

delaval · 13-12-2013 12:28AM

Sharpshooter82 wrote: »

That's a lot to be banking on that the price stays above a certain level, sure with the farms getting larger and more production I can see the price coming down and a lot of diary men around here are a bit nervous about it.

Besides the normal cycles of commodities, why do you sed price falling

delaval · 13-12-2013 12:30AM

Sharpshooter82 wrote: »

That's a lot to be banking on that the price stays above a certain level, sure with the farms getting larger and more production I can see the price coming down and a lot of diary men around here are a bit nervous about it.

Besides the normal cycles of commodities, why do you sed price falling

Sharpshooter82 · 13-12-2013 12:33AM

delaval wrote: »

Besides the normal cycles of commodities, why do you sed price falling

Just my gut telling me with more milk around like any produce the temptation for the industries in question to cut price at the source due to the fact of an ambundunce of the product

delaval · 13-12-2013 12:37AM

jersey101 wrote: »

are you a former WMP producer this man is very grumpy about joining glanbia. He wouldn't talk to the father in the pub on saturday night

Can't understand their problem. They were phucked all their egg in the cheese basket. I remember Board members taking a lot if flac in the head of the WMP price

jersey101 · 13-12-2013 12:51AM

delaval wrote: »

Can't understand their problem. They were phucked all their egg in the cheese basket. I remember Board members taking a lot if flac in the head of the WMP price

sure they cant expext to get paid over the odds for a company that is just about turning a penny. Two farmers in my disscussion group are very sore about joining GII all hung up on 2c there getting charged, sure there allowed expand 50% now without having to pay. Any existing GII producer has to pay to produce any extra. I

jaymla627 · 13-12-2013 12:58AM

awaywithyou wrote: »

Milk will be very unlikely to go below 30cents again.... Maybe one year in 4 it might happen.... If it does.... So be it... He'll be grand.... It's not as if he's going to 3000 cows like delaval is...:pac:

If the price of milk tanks it'll be the guys in New Zealand and the USA who'll fold...

In that magazine with the IFJ last week... Couple in Canada milking cows have borrowings of 24894 euros per cow....

No fear of that dude in jerseys neck of the woods

Once you go renting/buying ground on a large scale your costs of production start to rocket, add in the fact that proberly 200 plus thousand will/has been spent upgrading facilities for extra cows a bad year pricewise/weatherwise would have a big impact on any expanding herd.
Combine this with extra labour/diseal/running around to all this leased land along with the money required to buy/bring through heifers this lad will proberly need to budget 12-15 c/l minimum to fund expanding his herd/rent/loan repayments.
The thinking at the moment by a lot of dairy farmers is they need to be milking extra cows/talking more land etc when the fact is the calculator wasnt once took out to see if its a good idea.

jersey101 · 13-12-2013 01:05AM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Once you go renting/buying ground on a large scale your costs of production start to rocket, add in the fact that proberly 200 plus thousand will/has been spent upgrading facilities for extra cows a bad year pricewise/weatherwise would have a big impact on any expanding herd.
Combine this with extra labour/diseal/running around to all this leased land along with the money required to buy/bring through heifers this lad will proberly need to budget 12-15 c/l minimum to fund expanding his herd/rent/loan repayments.
The thinking at the moment by a lot of dairy farmers is they need to be milking extra cows/talking more land etc when the fact is the calculator wasnt once took out to see if its a good idea.

+1 id agree with a lad taking 30 ac on every few years but 135 ac is just immense to take on. And plus the fact ge hasnt a hope of getting quota bext tear so he either has to stay at same numvers or get a massive supperlevy

bob charles · 13-12-2013 01:20AM

im telling you lads, like i told you before, sell your land to these nob ends and buy stock:). stock generates money, land doesn't

Farmer Pudsey · 13-12-2013 01:28AM

Am struggling had grub at 4.30 yesterday a right good Christmas Party. Bought around at the end of the night told them it was the peeling's off the wad. 2013 has been a good year. A good few from a framing background are still negative.

Whealan come back no negativity

Farmer Pudsey · 13-12-2013 01:31AM

bob charles wrote: »

im telling you lads, like i told you before, sell your land to these nob ends and buy stock:). stock generates money, land doesn't

Sorry I have to disagree Bob

Sell nothing but the milk and eggs and the meat when times get tough

awaywithyou · 13-12-2013 02:03AM

delaval wrote: »

Are you that dude

No... Kerrydude here!

awaywithyou · 13-12-2013 02:12AM

Sharpshooter82 wrote: »

Just my gut telling me with more milk around like any produce the temptation for the industries in question to cut price at the source due to the fact of an ambundunce of the product

The population of the world is increasing by 200000 per day... China has relaxed its rules on the number of children a couple can have... I think...

The worlds milk production needs to grow by 2.5percent a year.... Which is easier said than done when you have years like last year....

The borrowings by farmers in Ireland are tiny in comparison to the debt levels in New Zealand and the USA... As far as I know banks here wont lend more than 4000 per cow... Some lads shouldn't get 4 euro a cow and more could manage 6 or 7 grand per cow... But I think 2000 per cow is reasonable for any dedicated farmer and the repayments over ten years should be possible for most milk price situations

knockmulliner · 13-12-2013 08:34AM

jersey101 wrote: »

i know what ye mean. I couldn't give a toss about the next door neighbour but i feel sorry for the sheep lad. He got a bad doing in spring with schmallenberg

Agree with you, neighbours aren't what they used to be, old sence of right and honour seems lost unfortunately

Kovu · 13-12-2013 12:10PM

knockmulliner wrote: »

Agree with you, neighbours aren't what they used to be, old sence of right and honour seems lost unfortunately

Yes but then you get auld cranky men like one near me. He just bought a parcel of land he used to rent and as he's cut back on stock he doesn't even need it.

Why did he buy it? Because a farmer he has a set against was top bidder for it before him:rolleyes::rolleyes:

hugo29 · 13-12-2013 12:15PM

Kovu Murr wrote: »

Yes but then you get auld cranky men like one near me. He just bought a parcel of land he used to rent and as he's cut back on stock he doesn't even need it.

Why did he buy it? Because a farmer he has a set against was top bidder for it before him:rolleyes::rolleyes:

well if he is a batchellor, away with you, i bet he wont be as cranky then,

Kovu · 13-12-2013 12:26PM

hugo29 wrote: »

well if he is a batchellor, away with you, i bet he wont be as cranky then,

He actually adores me for some reason, maybe it's because I'm as cranky as him.:p I calve all his cows if he needs help. Plus get injured off all his horses. Win win situation!

And yes he's a bachelor but noooooooooooooooooo. You've a better chance of marrying me off to Bertie Ahern.

have2flushtwice · 13-12-2013 12:50PM

Kovu Murr wrote: »

Yes but then you get auld cranky men like one near me. He just bought a parcel of land he used to rent and as he's cut back on stock he doesn't even need it.

Why did he buy it? Because a farmer he has a set against was top bidder for it before him:rolleyes::rolleyes:

There was a good size farm and sheds for sale here not so long ago. It was rented since the owner died with no will made. The sitting tenant made some song and dance at the auction, and a fool of himself too. and out bid any competition , but was beat in the last two bidders.
Strangely enough the winning bidder backed out a few days later, and the sitting tenant bought it for less. Hasn't come without its troubles though, you would wonder if someone from beyond, or otherwise doesn't want the place to work.
Lot of people talking about why he bought it. Know a guy who would be in there regularly, he counted the stock and said no way would a living be made, or repayments for that matter be made. With what's there. You would wonder what people want so much.

Farming Chit Chat III

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