Gerry Adams : Terrorist or Freedom Fighter?

Busted Flat. · 13-12-2013 01:20AM

K-9 wrote: »

Yep, I remember reading that Thatcher was saved by the miners strike of all things in the Brighton bombing. Security was worried about protests getting into the hotel so moved her further up, thus probably saving her life or injury. Imagine what would have happened then?

It's mad thinking about it now.

Thatcher was saved by her excursion into the Falkland islands where she sent her troops to save penguins and sheep to save her own skin. How many kids in uniform died to save her skin.

whats the point · 13-12-2013 01:20AM

DeadHand wrote: »

Those particular chaps don't appear to be a danger to anyone but themselves.

I wouldn't walk like to walk pass them in the street with a beer, while holding my girlfriends hand, would you?

K-9 · 13-12-2013 01:25AM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

The bomb was supposed to be under her bath according to reports, if she had stomach problems that would have been the end of the WW. How could the IRA have known what room she would have been in. Collusion is the word today. What was the deal.

AFAIK, he just went on where she stayed, or previous pm's previously, that simple!

Busted Flat. · 13-12-2013 01:34AM

K-9 wrote: »

AFAIK, he just went on where she stayed, or previous pm's previously, that simple!

It would be very interesting to know if that was the case, would that not be a serious breach of security. Maybe someone might come forward to say that was not the case, if she had a habit of staying in the same room, does that not reflect on her security. Or did the IRA have a mole.

DeadHand · 13-12-2013 01:45AM

whats the point wrote: »

I wouldn't walk like to walk pass them in the street with a beer, while holding my girlfriends hand, would you?

Can't say, I don't know your girlfriend.

Certainly don't see what any of this has to do with Mr. Adams.

uch · 13-12-2013 02:53AM

Back on topic, freedom fighter and winner

WilyCoyote · 13-12-2013 05:11AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I didn't understand a word of that. I'm not being funny but the post that no doubt sounded hilarious in your head is incomprehensible.

How could he be either when he wasn't in the IRA?

If you cannot understand simple sentences why do you join a debate?

Nodin · 13-12-2013 07:09AM

whats the point wrote: »

Can you say that with 100% guarantee Nodin?

Your first video is a religious festival. A shia one, I'd say. No idea what the second one is, save for the fact it features a protest. Essentially you're putting up footage of muslims and going "Waaah, scary scary Islam". It's far from convincing.

theblaqueguy · 13-12-2013 07:54AM

Freedom fighter

old hippy · 13-12-2013 01:56PM

Daqster wrote: »

I would say all provos were Freedom Fighters but for their indiscriminate killing of innocent people. Any hope a terrorist has of receiving the Freedom Fighter badge of honour goes down the pan when you are willing to put a bomb under a table in a packed pub and walk out the door.

As with all fights in life, the prize must be worth more than what you're willing to sacrifice. When the latter starts to outweigh the former, you've lost the fight and now who gets what has got fcuk all to do with winning and losing.

Well said. I'd say the paramilitaries (loyalist and republican both) are traitors to their respective countries. The murderers are a shame to most ordinary people and a blight on their countries respective reputations.

That said, Mr Adams has moved on from the old ways and it's only a handful of traitors on both "sides" who carry on with violence.

seanie27 · 13-12-2013 07:20PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Are you serious? Do you think Mandela could interact with the ANC from his prison cell?

Anyway, I though Adams was never in the IRA, are you implying he signed off on certain actions?

Yes, I'm serious. You could read up on it.

Santa Cruz · 13-12-2013 07:24PM

uch wrote: »

Back on topic, freedom fighter and winner

Never in IRA so not a fighter. When others were risking their lives he was at home bouncing his niece on his lap and playing favourite uncle

Banjo String · 13-12-2013 07:28PM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Never in IRA so not a fighter. When others were risking their lives he was at home bouncing his niece on his lap and playing favourite uncle

Wow.

Using the sexual abuse of a young girl to score a political point. Pick your Morals back up out of the gutter sir.

That's low.

My name is URL · 13-12-2013 07:32PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Elaborate on this you wrote earlier.

You do realise that he's also a very successful author who has sold hundreds of thousands of copies of the 20+ books he has written?

If you tell me how many hundreds of thousands books he sold I might be able to estimate how much he made.

You can look for those details yourself. Since you already appear to know his income, I don't see why I should need to produce any figures.
I don't know exactly how many books he has sold anyway, but it's well known that he is a successful author.

Are you ready to admit that the following is a blatant attempt to mislead?

dxhound2005 wrote: »

He would be living on the average industrial wage. I'm not sure what that is these days but I doubt it would allow him to own two houses.

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Tell me about his earnings from outside politics. It obviously was not enough to pay for his private medical treatment in America not too long back. Friends of his paid for that, although he did pay the plane fares himself.

More baseless assumptions. If his friends paid for his dinner would it suggest that he could not afford his own?

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Never in IRA so not a fighter. When others were risking their lives he was at home bouncing his niece on his lap and playing favourite uncle

What a scummy post... classy as ever you are :rolleyes:

LordSutch · 13-12-2013 08:04PM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

When others were risking their lives he was at home bouncing his niece on his lap and playing favourite uncle

I don't know about the uncle thing, but what annoys me is the "risking their lives" bit . .

Risking their lives so that others would die in Bomb and gun attacks you mean :mad:

Santa Cruz · 13-12-2013 08:07PM

Banjo String wrote: »

Wow.

Using the sexual abuse of a young girl to score a political point. Pick your Morals back up out of the gutter sir.

That's low.

What are you on about? Do you know something I don't.

In any case its better to be picking morals out of the gutter than body parts

Nodin · 13-12-2013 08:11PM

LordSutch wrote: »

I don't know about the uncle thing, but what annoys me is the "risking their lives" bit . .

Risking their lives so that others would die in Bomb and gun attacks you mean :mad:

That's what happens in an armed conflict.

Busted Flat. · 13-12-2013 08:17PM

LordSutch wrote: »

I don't know about the uncle thing, but what annoys me is the "risking their lives" bit . .

Risking their lives so that others would die in Bomb and gun attacks you mean :mad:

That is what war is about, it is not the comic books or film version of events.

LordSutch · 13-12-2013 08:34PM

Well if as I, and many others suggest 'Terrorist' then those families who had loved ones taken from them would strongly disagree with you guys and your oh so glib war/conflict comments. Obviously as IRA supporters that would be your (Nodin & Busted) stance, but bear in mind that the vast majority of people on this island did not subscribe to IRA Terrorism during the troubles, or "the war" as you hardline chaps refer to it.

People just going about their business, and then Bang an IRA car bomb explodes . . . . .

Busted Flat. · 13-12-2013 08:40PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Well if as I, and many others suggest 'Terrorist' then those families who had loved ones taken from them would strongly disagree with you guys and your oh so glib war/conflicy comments. Obviously as IRA supporters that would be your (Nodin & Busted) stance, but bear in mind that the vast majority of people on this island did not subscribe to IRA Terrorism during the troubles, or "the war" as you hardline chaps refer to it. People just going about their business, and then Bang an IRA car bomb explodes . . . . .

filth.

I am sure that comment, would include the British army support to Loyalists murder gangs, or RUC terrorists squads. Or some of the other black ops carried out by the BA.

LordSutch · 13-12-2013 08:47PM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

I am sure that comment, would include the British army support to Loyalists murder gangs, or RUC terrorists squads. Or some of the other black ops carried out by the BA.

The British Army were a blunt tool, initially to keep the two tribes apart, and laterly to combat the Terrorist threat from the likes of the IRA/INLA/UFF/UVF etc. The RUC found themselves between a rock & a hard place, and they carried out a very hard job in very testing circumstances. A lot of very good RUC officers were murdered by the IRA, and Adams never condemned these murders, and for that he will never be forgiven.

Busted Flat. · 13-12-2013 08:50PM

LordSutch wrote: »

The British Army were a blunt tool, initially to keep the two tribes apart, and laterly to combat the Terrorist threat from the likes of the IRA/INLA/UFF/UVF etc. The RUC found themselves between a rock & a hard place, and they carried out a very hard job in very testing circumstances. A lot of very good RUC officers were murdered by the IRA, and Adams never condemned these murders, and for that he will never be forgiven.

As I said earlier comic book or film versions, do not compare to the real thing.

LordSutch · 13-12-2013 08:54PM

Your opinion is that of an IRA/Adams supporter.

Busted Flat. · 13-12-2013 08:59PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Your opinion is that of an IRA/Adams supporter.

Labels at this stage do not matter, get it into your head the war is over, it can never go back to the way it was, the Protestant State for a Protestant people is finished, now it is everybody's state. Name calling is for the backward people that want to go back to their childhood.

LordSutch · 13-12-2013 09:22PM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Labels at this stage do not matter, get it into your head the war is over, it can never go back to the way it was, the Protestant State for a Protestant people is finished, now it is everybody's state. Name calling is for the backward people that want to go back to their childhood.

To put your comments into perspective I stated that you are an IRA supporter, this is not 'name calling' as you put it, but a fact that colours your posts in favour of the IRAs actions. The Protestant state for a protestant people is of course a failed entity, but at its inception it was their answer to Catholic mono cultural Ireland. Neither were right, and I'm very glad that NI is now a more equal place to live, but the Troubles/murders didn't have to happen for the provence to move forward, indeed I would say all the murder and mayhem was a total and disgraceful waste of life.

Two Flutes · 13-12-2013 09:47PM

LordSutch wrote: »

The British Army were a blunt tool, initially to keep the two tribes apart, and laterly to combat the Terrorist threat from the likes of the IRA/INLA/UFF/UVF etc. The RUC found themselves between a rock & a hard place, and they carried out a very hard job in very testing circumstances. A lot of very good RUC officers were murdered by the IRA, and Adams never condemned these murders, and for that he will never be forgiven.

The British army were indeed used to keep the peace when they were first deployed to the streets of NI. This was a fine idea until they were put under the control of the Stormont government, who in true form, unleashed them against the Catholic/Republican areas. This sort of action was only going to harden opinion against the British forces, it was never going to solve the problems
I dont understand what you mean when you say the RUC were between a rock and a hard place. The RUC was 90% Unionist and controlled by the Unionist Stormont government to keep the apartheid in place. The RUC was involved in reprisal attacks against Catholics and aided and abetted Loyalist paramilitary groups at various times. There were no doubt good officers who were murdered by the IRA but as stated above it was a dirty war with terrible things done on all sides

WilyCoyote · 13-12-2013 10:14PM

LordSutch wrote: »

To put your comments into perspective I stated that you are an IRA supporter, this is not 'name calling' as you put it, but a fact that colours your posts in favour of the IRAs actions. The Protestant state for a protestant people is of course a failed entity, but at its inception it was their answer to Catholic mono cultural Ireland. Neither were right, and I'm very glad that NI is now a more equal place to live, but the Troubles/murders didn't have to happen for the provence to move forward, indeed I would say all the murder and mayhem was a total and disgraceful waste of life.

Are you aware of the amount of times that Imperial Britain withdrew it's forces after peaceful protests? When the bodybags of "brave British soldiers who's only ambition was to restore peace" start coming into everyone's sittingroom via the news, do the Establishment take note of the vox pop. The British working class are as much victims as the people in the invaded country ......... their heads filled with baloni by politicians - some of whom have vested interests in arms supply firms - to don a uniform, after being brainwashed by some dick with stripes.
Then finding a PR euphemism for ignominious defeat before telling the taxpayer how they won the war. And the sad thing about it is ....... lots of people believe it as is manifest in their posts here.
Of course the Troubles didn't have to happen........ but this is the British way of doing things. And failure is the usual result before the British Bulldog legs it - tail firmly curled between it's legs.

Fr. Ned · 13-12-2013 10:40PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Well if as I, and many others suggest 'Terrorist' then those families who had loved ones taken from them would strongly disagree with you guys and your oh so glib war/conflict comments. Obviously as IRA supporters that would be your (Nodin & Busted) stance, but bear in mind that the vast majority of people on this island did not subscribe to IRA Terrorism during the troubles, or "the war" as you hardline chaps refer to it.

People just going about their business, and then Bang an IRA car bomb explodes . . . . .

Did they subscribe to the British army/RUC/UFF/UDA/B-specials terrorism instead?

Was war only waged by one side?

bazza1 · 13-12-2013 10:41PM

Terrorist or Freedom Fighter?
Lets ask Jean McConville....oh wait...

Fr. Ned · 13-12-2013 10:43PM

bazza1 wrote: »

Terrorist or Freedom Fighter?
Lets ask Jean McConville....oh wait...

Weak, very weak.

Are you gilmore or kenny????

Gerry Adams : Terrorist or Freedom Fighter?

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