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Pope Francis Man of the Year 2013 [All-in-one Super-de-dooper thread]

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  • #62
    Menas
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    NiallSparky wrote: »
    Snowden should've got it. Whatever you think of him, he's clearly made a bigger impact on the World over the past year. I'd probably have Assad ahead of the pope also.

    I would agree with that. The Time person of the year is all about impact (good or bad) and Snowden's revelations has had a big impact.
    People keep thinking that it is an award for doing nice stuff.


  • #63
    Tipsy McSwagger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,077 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    So Time magazine has awarded their person of the year to the leader of an organization that removed their last leader, because he was revealed to be the head guy who covered up all the child abuse scandals that rocked the catholic church. It's basically a case of well he's repairing all the damage that the Catholic Church has caused to itself which is nice, but let's forget about the victims whose lives are still haunted by all the abuse they suffered.


  • #64
    iDave
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    Didn't Hitler get Time Man of the Year?


  • #65
    TwoShedsJackson
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    iDave wrote: »
    Didn't Hitler get Time Man of the Year?

    Yes he did, in 1938, and he deserved it, for, as they are at pains to point out, it's not a popularity contest, but awarded to the person who has had the biggest impact on the world that year.

    It's fair to say Hitler deserved it in 1938 so, wouldn't you say. And probably should have got it for 1939-1945 too.

    Stalin won it in 1939 and 1942, Deng Xiaoping got it a couple of times, so they were even-handed enough with their dictators.


  • #66
    Menas
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    iDave wrote: »
    Didn't Hitler get Time Man of the Year?

    Yup. He did in fairness have a big impact in the world, but his getting it in 1938 seemed premature.


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  • #67
    bumper234
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    Jester252 wrote: »
    Note that word. When was the last time Snowden was talked about on the radio or T.V? Face it the average joe doesn't care about Snowden

    And the average Joe does care about the pope? You hear and see Snowdens name in the media a lot more than the popes it's just governments are embarrassed by what Snowden has revealed and Time mag are afraid to upset the apple cart.


  • #68
    Menas
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    You hear and see Snowdens name in the media a lot more than the popes it's just governments are embarrassed by what Snowden has revealed and Time mag are afraid to upset the apple cart.

    Cynthia Cooper, Coleen Rowley and Sherron Watkins would beg to differ.


  • #69
    NBTD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭NBTD


    bumper234 wrote: »
    And the average Joe does care about the pope? You hear and see Snowdens name in the media a lot more than the popes it's just governments are embarrassed by what Snowden has revealed and Time mag are afraid to upset the apple cart.

    Who would you consider the "average person"? The hundred or so people you meet from one end of the week to another?

    According to this link:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21443313
    there are an estimated 1.2 billion Roman Catholics in the world so irrespective of how you feel about it, there is no denying the pope is an influential position. Add in the fact that this pope seems to be relatively progressive and it is a logical choice.

    As stated numerously already, it is not an award, or a measure of popularity


  • #70
    sbsquarepants
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    NiallSparky wrote: »
    Snowden should've got it. Whatever you think of him, he's clearly made a bigger impact on the World over the past year. I'd probably have Assad ahead of the pope also.

    If the winner is whoever has influenced events most in the world for the year, then I think Snowden was the obvious choice. Yes i'll agree this pope seems less of a snivelling child rape supporter than the last one, but is that enough to be person of the year? A pope who actually seems a bit Christian? Should they not all be like that as an absolute bare minimum?
    It's without question that Snowden has had the biggest effect on the world and it's workings this year, he has done a lot more to protect our freedom than the pope has and, infinitely smaller resources and opportunity and at an immeasurably higher cost to himself. There is no doubt in my mind who the real hero is.


  • #71
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    I'm surprised Snowden didn't win it. In 2002, they gave it to "The Whistleblowers", though I might have that year wrong?


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  • #72
    Menas
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm surprised Snowden didn't win it. In 2002, they gave it to "The Whistleblowers", though I might have that year wrong?

    Correct, they were the aforementioned Cynthia Cooper, Coleen Rowley and Sherron Watkins.


  • #73
    bumper234
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    Trigger Happy wrote: »
    Cynthia Cooper, Coleen Rowley and Sherron Watkins would beg to differ.

    There is a difference to what they did ten years ago and what Snowden has done this year.


  • #74
    Menas
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    There is a difference to what they did ten years ago and what Snowden has done this year.

    Of course they are different but the point is that Time is not afraid to give their annual gong to whisleblowers who embarrass the government (FBI revelations in the Rowley case).


  • #75
    shruikan2553
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    NBTD wrote: »
    Who would you consider the "average person"? The hundred or so people you meet from one end of the week to another?

    According to this link:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21443313
    there are an estimated 1.2 billion Roman Catholics in the world so irrespective of how you feel about it, there is no denying the pope is an influential position. Add in the fact that this pope seems to be relatively progressive and it is a logical choice.

    As stated numerously already, it is not an award, or a measure of popularity

    It helps that they dont let you leave once they can count you as one of that 1.2 billion.


  • #76
    Jester252
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    And the average Joe does care about the pope? You hear and see Snowdens name in the media a lot more than the popes it's just governments are embarrassed by what Snowden has revealed and Time mag are afraid to upset the apple cart.

    Yes they do, you care so much that your complaining about the pope be picked as Time Person of the Year. Snowden hasn't been in a major story since his initial exile. The only newspaper that cares is The Guardian seen as it got the rights to the files.


  • #77
    Corkfeen
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    Jester252 wrote: »
    Note that word. When was the last time Snowden was talked about on the radio or T.V? Face it the average joe doesn't care about Snowden
    There's generally fairly regular discussions about Snowden's leaks while they may not discuss Snowden per se,they discuss matters that he officially brought to light. There would be no discussion on Prism and the likes without him. It's pretty massive as news goes and not just on the internet.


  • #78
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    vitani wrote: »
    I wouldn't be a huge fan of the Catholic Church but so far, I am a fan of Pope Francis. He seems to practice what he preaches and even if it's all just PR, it's a refreshing change.

    I genuinely think it's a bit more than PR. This Pope seems to be a man of simple humility, embarrassed by the grandiose carrying on of his predecessors. Hopefully his health will allow him sufficient time to weed out the corrupt within the church.


  • #79
    Annasopra
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    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    The entire list, while it is interesting reading, should be taken with a large pinch of salt.

    I didn't know you won it in 2006 :)

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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