Oil boiler problems ? ?

crock! · 12-12-2013 12:38AM

jimf wrote: »

heating world of spares

Omg lol

crock! · 12-12-2013 12:53AM

Billy Bunting wrote: »

What nozzle is in it and is that whats always been in it ?

The later Statesman 70/90 did come with a RDB1.

He told me its rbl 40.these have a shrowd as far as i know

agusta · 12-12-2013 12:54AM

I serviced one of these G5BF Burner lately on a potterton statesman boiler 15 years old,lovely burner.I got a co reading of 5 on the fga,very slow doing the fga due to having to stop the boiler to remove the shroulded casing to adjust the air and then start all over again and again,lol.If the customer found dirt in the filter,there is more than likely alot of dirt in the filter of fuel pump so maybe you might get lucky it and the pump might be ok.Im not sure about the rdb2.2,maybe jimf or shane or one of the other lads might know if the rdb would work.Id be slow to change it.

jimf · 12-12-2013 12:59AM

agusta wrote: »

I serviced one of these G5BF Burner lately on a potterton statesman boiler 15 years old,lovely burner.I got a co reading of 5 on the fga,very slow doing the fga due to having to stop the boiler to remove the shroulded casing to adjust the air and then start all over again and again,lol.If the customer found dirt in the filter,there is more than likely alot of dirt in the filter of fuel pump so maybe you might get lucky it and the pump might be ok.Im not sure about the rdb2.2,maybe jimf or shane or one of the other lads might know if the rdb would work.Id be slow to change it.

you don't have to remove the cover to adjust the air just remove the little plastic grommet on top of cover and away you go adjust away

crock! · 12-12-2013 01:01AM

agusta wrote: »

I serviced one of these G5BF Burner lately on a potterton statesman boiler 15 years old,lovely burner.I got a co reading of 5 on the fga,very slow doing the fga due to having to stop the boiler to remove the shroulded casing to adjust the air and then start all over again and again,lol.If the customer found dirt in the filter,there is more than likely alot of dirt in the filter of fuel pump so maybe you might get lucky it and the pump might be ok.Im not sure about the rdb2.2,maybe jimf or shane or one of the other lads might know if the rdb would work.Id be slow to change it.

Dgobs says its bettter to use rdb rather than rbl.at what age would you think new burner rather than repair.i can repair but with my luck the motor will pack in xmass week .

jimf · 12-12-2013 01:11AM

crock! wrote: »

Dgobs says its bettter to use rdb rather than rbl.at what age would you think new burner rather than repair.i can repair but with my luck the motor will pack in xmass week .

its always a hard 1 to call but usually its the bearings that go in motor so for the sake of 15eu and an extra 30mins work change bearings as well but thats usually back to workshop so another round trip

its always up to the customer and not the best time of year trying to get em to spend the extra few quid

it has only happened to me once in 4 years lucky customer understood siht happens

agusta · 12-12-2013 01:12AM

crock! wrote: »

He told me its rbl 40.these have a shrowd as far as i know

oh,maybe its not a g5bf and there isnt a shrowd on it.rbl 40 isnt the full burner type code id say,Doesnt tell you what type of g5 it is

agusta · 12-12-2013 01:15AM

jimf wrote: »

you don't have to remove the cover to adjust the air just remove the little plastic grommet on top of cover and away you go adjust away

Thanks jimf,i hadnt realised that.I have to go back and changed the bearings on the motor at some stage so i will be looking for that grommet

crock! · 12-12-2013 01:19AM

jimf wrote: »

you don't have to remove the cover to adjust the air just remove the little plastic grommet on top of cover and away you go adjust away

Definitely going to look for that grommet.didnt know that

jimf · 12-12-2013 01:24AM

crock! wrote: »

Definitely going to look for that grommet.didnt know that

oh its there I found out the hard way as well its usually clear plastic about 15mm top right hand corner

jimf · 12-12-2013 01:26AM

agusta wrote: »

Thanks jimf,i hadnt realised that.I have to go back and changed the bearings on the motor at some stage so i will be looking for that grommet

where you get your bearings from agusta

agusta · 12-12-2013 01:39AM

jimf wrote: »

where you get your bearings from agusta

pm sent

Billy Bunting · 12-12-2013 10:40AM

agusta wrote: »

oh,maybe its not a g5bf and there isnt a shrowd on it.rbl 40 isnt the full burner type code id say,Doesnt tell you what type of g5 it is

The G5BF was the type built into an room sealed box for balanced flue models and was used with a snorkel, the G5 and G5BF both had the shrowd on the BT.

I still have no idea what output this burner was running at, what size nozzle is fitted ?

crock! · 12-12-2013 12:47PM

Billy Bunting wrote: »

The G5BF was the type built into an room sealed box for balanced flue models and was used with a snorkel, the G5 and G5BF both had the shrowd on the BT.

I still have no idea what output this burner was running at, what size nozzle is fitted ?

Its potterton statesman 65 85

Billy Bunting · 12-12-2013 04:59PM

The boiler is a 65/85, the burner a G5, but without knowing nozzle size and pressure (which has been tinkered with)we don't know output, if we don't know output we are just guessing on burner to fit, this G5 could have a .50 nozzle .

JABKELL · 12-12-2013 10:05PM

crock! wrote: »

He told me it was serviced by a guy who changed the nozzle once in three years.of course some one could of fiddled with it but that wouldnt give an intermitten fault on a start up with an unusual noise.he says when it wont start that he bleeds it and then it starts after doing this once or twice.

Hi crock!, I'm living in the house 7 years. The first 3 years the boiler was "SERVICED" by the same heating guy. The nozzle was change once (don't know for sure, I was told it was changed).The next 3 years the boiler "SERVICED" twice.It is due for a service again now.When the pump was changed last January, I don't think it was adjusted.

just discovered how to upload pics. Hope these help.

Billy Bunting · 13-12-2013 01:42AM

This nozzle is a real mystery. lol

Wearb · 13-12-2013 02:04AM

Billy Bunting wrote: »

This nozzle is a real mystery. lol

Are you talkin about a nozzle for the 65/85 btu boiler, if so then I think that a .5 nozzle at 10 bar would give you a mid point output. I am unsure if I am answering the correct question here, as I find the last parts of this thread confusing.

Billy Bunting · 13-12-2013 02:14AM

I understand what should be there (I have the pdf) but we were beings asked if a certain burner would be ok, I simply wished to know what nozzle and therefore output we were talking about here.

crock! · 13-12-2013 08:20AM

Billy Bunting wrote: »

I understand what should be there (I have the pdf) but we were beings asked if a certain burner would be ok, I simply wished to know what nozzle and therefore output we were talking about here.

I havent being there yet.im going on sat morning.i dont know what nozzle is in it at the moment.but by going by pdf they say to put a .65 60es into it.all i was asking was an rdb 2.2 suitable replacement if need be.

JABKELL · 13-12-2013 08:56AM

Since bleeding the burner on Wednesday evening, it has fired up on each attempt. Both from the timer and manually.

crock! did the pics. help in identifying the type of burner fitted ?

jimf · 13-12-2013 05:00PM

there is no reason why you cant fit an rdb as far as I can see after all potterton have fitted them to there later models but as billy pointed out what output is required any pottertons I have come across have 60esnozzles fitted as spec

as the bf hose fitted at the moment is quite rigid you may need to change that as well it may not be long enough

jimf · 14-12-2013 05:27PM

did you get to this today crock

crock! · 14-12-2013 05:50PM

jimf wrote: »

did you get to this today crock

I did . pump was fine and all was working. A bit of a rattle in motor but seemed nice and steady.no problems with fuel supply. I changed flexible oil line and filter and firevale as it was passing oil in closed position.the burner is working fine for now but client didnt want to fix it any further or change burner because he is going be changing whole boiler in new year possibly. Its odd how its working fine now after it locking out so much.i put a .60 60s at 8.2 bar and got great readings.i seen this once before where one of the guys here on boards meet this and it kept on going and a year later I was there with it doing the same.its still going and the clients still wont repair or replace.but when I eventually have to change it then I will use rdb2.2 50 90.

jimf · 14-12-2013 07:45PM

crock! wrote: »

I did . pump was fine and all was working. A bit of a rattle in motor but seemed nice and steady.no problems with fuel supply. I changed flexible oil line and filter and firevale as it was passing oil in closed position.the burner is working fine for now but client didnt want to fix it any further or change burner because he is going be changing whole boiler in new year possibly. Its odd how its working fine now after it locking out so much.i put a .60 60s at 8.2 bar and got great readings.i seen this once before where one of the guys here on boards meet this and it kept on going and a year later I was there with it doing the same.its still going and the clients still wont repair or replace.but when I eventually have to change it then I will use rdb2.2 50 90.

I assume you found the famous grommet:D:D

Billy Bunting · 14-12-2013 08:47PM

They always recommend on the G5BF that the little grommet and the box cover is on when doing the FGA, real pain in the ass.

jimf · 14-12-2013 08:51PM

Billy Bunting wrote: »

They always recommend on the G5BF that the little grommet and the box cover is on when doing the FGA, real pain in the ass.

I always use a bit of foil tape it does the trick putting on and off that grommet is a royal pain in the hole

JABKELL · 15-12-2013 09:50AM

As I said previously the boiler hasn't locked out since Wednesday, confused about that but happy at same time.
crock! serviced it yesterday. I must say I'm very pleased with the level of service the boiler received. (It now seems this is the first proper service the boiler has had in the 7 years I've lived in the house) crock! was very helpful, answered any questions I had, explained all analyzer readings and never seemed to be rushing just to get on to the next one.

I would highly recommend this service engineer to anyone I know !!!

Thanks again to all who posted advice/solutions and thanks to scudo2 for putting me in contact with crock!.
John.

jimf · 15-12-2013 12:06PM

well done crock with such high recommendations im glad your not in limerick

Billy Bunting · 15-12-2013 12:14PM

JABKELL wrote: »

As I said previously the boiler hasn't locked out since Wednesday, confused about that but happy at same time.
crock! serviced it yesterday. I must say I'm very pleased with the level of service the boiler received. (It now seems this is the first proper service the boiler has had in the 7 years I've lived in the house) crock! was very helpful, answered any questions I had, explained all analyzer readings and never seemed to be rushing just to get on to the next one.

I would highly recommend this service engineer to anyone I know !!!

Thanks again to all who posted advice/solutions and thanks to scudo2 for putting me in contact with crock!.
John.

Ahh!! but did he get the discount!

:D:D

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