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Gerry Adams : Terrorist or Freedom Fighter?

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  • #242
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Not helpful. :confused:


  • #243
    whats the point
    Closed Accounts Posts: 132 ✭✭whats the point


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.


    Maybe he will be let borrow the thompson.


  • #244
    yizorselves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭yizorselves


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    He may be a lot of things, but cool?

    No, definitely not.

    Nice gnashers though!

    Oh he's very cool

    Did you not see the video posted from the Late Late Show in 1994?

    Not cool? Puhlease!


  • #245
    hungry hippo 4
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 323 ✭✭hungry hippo 4


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Must be hard times when you have to use an Irish forum. :P


  • #246
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    McGuinness would surely meet the freedom fighter criteria more? He actually was a commanding officer, Adams was just the political leader and strategist.

    I'd give Adams credit for SF's Armalite and the ballot box strategy, whether he knew it would end up in the Hume/Adams talks, the Downing Street Declaration and the GFA, I don't know.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • #247
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    How would you describe someone who detonates a bomb outside a McDonald's on a Saturday lunch time?


    Is the answer Nelson Mandela?


  • #248
    hungry hippo 4
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 323 ✭✭hungry hippo 4


    Bambi wrote: »
    Is the answer Nelson Mandela?

    No its Ho Chi Minh.


  • #249
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    hungry hippo 4 wrote: »
    How can grown men throw stones at children in the first place.

    You obviously condone this behaviour!

    You've said some bat **** crazy things on this thread, but that takes the biscuit.

    You still haven't answered my question. Care to stop dodging and give an answer?


  • #250
    Fred Swanson
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #251
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    Fred did you hear what John Major said this evening.


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  • #252
    hungry hippo 4
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 323 ✭✭hungry hippo 4


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    You've said some bat **** crazy things on this thread, but that takes the biscuit.

    You still haven't answered my question. Care to stop dodging and give an answer?

    If you start a war don't cry when the other side fights back!

    You billyboys have ducked and weeved questions all night so get off the high horse.


  • #253
    hungry hippo 4
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 323 ✭✭hungry hippo 4


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    You've said some bat **** crazy things on this thread, but that takes the biscuit.

    You still haven't answered my question. Care to stop dodging and give an answer?

    Enlighten me.

    What comments are you speaking of???


  • #254
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    hungry hippo 4 wrote: »
    If you start a war don't cry when the other side fights back!

    You billyboys have ducked and weeved questions all night so get off the high horse.

    Name calling isn't answering the question.


  • #255
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,252 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    He's a politician ( though not a good one)who thinks he was neither a freedom fighter or a terrorist. ...Did anyone mention "delusional" in an earlier post :)


  • #256
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    hungry hippo 4 wrote: »
    Enlighten me.

    What comments are you speaking of???

    That I, or anyone, would condone throwing stones at children.


  • #257
    hungry hippo 4
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 323 ✭✭hungry hippo 4


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Name calling isn't answering the question.

    I did answer it. The IRA where engaged in a war, atrocities happen,


  • #258
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    hungry hippo 4 wrote: »
    I did answer it. The IRA where engaged in a war, atrocities happen,

    That's a dodge.

    How would you describe someone who plants two bombs, timed to go off seconds apart at lunch time on a Saturday. One outside an Argos, the other outside a McDonald's?


  • #259
    hungry hippo 4
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 323 ✭✭hungry hippo 4


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    That I, or anyone, would condone throwing stones at children.

    I lost all respect for you after the, "excuse" comment!


  • #260
    hungry hippo 4
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 323 ✭✭hungry hippo 4


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    That's a dodge.

    How would you describe someone who plants two bombs, timed to go off seconds apart at lunch time on a Saturday. One outside an Argos, the other outside a McDonald's?

    How would you descried the b Specials, the shankhill butchers, the ida, lvf, uvf?
    A bullet was too good for the lot of them!


  • #261
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    hungry hippo 4 wrote: »
    How would you descried the b Specials, the shankhill butchers, the ida, lvf, uvf?
    A bullet was too good for the lot of them!

    Still dodging then.


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  • #262
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    hungry hippo 4 wrote: »
    I lost all respect for you after the, "excuse" comment!

    That makes no sense whatsoever.


  • #263
    hungry hippo 4
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 323 ✭✭hungry hippo 4


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Still dodging then.

    Now who's copping out!!!


  • #264
    Mr Cumulonimbus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Mr Cumulonimbus


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    That's a dodge.

    How would you describe someone who plants two bombs, timed to go off seconds apart at lunch time on a Saturday. One outside an Argos, the other outside a McDonald's?

    Fred, where are you actually going with this pointless exercise of engaging in the politics of a single atrocity?

    Would you condemn the entire British war effort for incinerating Dresden, Hamberg, Berlin, Aachen, Nuremburg etc etc?


  • #265
    hungry hippo 4
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 323 ✭✭hungry hippo 4


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    That makes no sense whatsoever.

    Go back and read the thread!

    You fred fanboys have added nothing to this discussion tonight other than the same ignorance we've seen from the knuckle dragging flag protestors.

    Face it lads. Gerry won :)


  • #266
    Junco Partner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭Junco Partner


    mandela and adams were involved in a lot of the same stuff. but mandela moved forward into peace but never denied his past. where as adam's "never in the ra" rhetoric makes it hard to have any kind of respect for him.


  • #267
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Have you never heard of screaming Lord sutch?

    Great guy.

    Your hysterical historical memory is once again up for questioning. Sutch died by his own hand many years ago.


  • #268
    Lou.m
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    A freedom fighter who allowed himself to be corrupted by violence and became a terrorist.

    When he became a terrorist he ceased to be a freedom fighter as he oppressed the human rights of his victims.

    Whatever role he played, he oppressed human rights by the rule of boot and force.

    I do not doubt the regime was unjust and oppressive to the utmost. But he allowed himself to succumb to dictatorial violence.

    Part of the reason for the violence was not simply civil rights but to go about achieving that for which the majority would not vote for.

    Anyway all NI people should have the right to live free form violence from soldiers and terrorists.


    He lost the inner moral war. He lost the high ground.


  • #269
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    hungry hippo 4 wrote: »
    Go back and read the thread!

    You fred fanboys have added nothing to this discussion tonight other than the same ignorance we've seen from the knuckle dragging flag protestors.

    Face it lads. Gerry won :)

    Hippo, people are trying to engage in dialogue with you but all you do is come out with personal attacks and rhetoric.

    What did Gerry win? The position in northern Ireland is pretty much as it was in 1922.


  • #270
    rustedtrumpet
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    Tourist


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  • #271
    golfball37
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    We in the south hate Adams for one reason mainly. Him and his crowd fought back, whereas we would have been incapable of it. Of course the IRA did horrible things but the way we concentrate disproportionally on their atrocities smacks of post colonial self loathing.


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