Vehicle Gallery - Discussion Thread

Capri · 28-11-2013 09:09PM

Surely the new price, VRT/VAT free, would be similar to what they'd be paying from a dealer for a 3y/o model. Maybe they're just after the optics to the general public of the 'Gardai save money on fleet' headlines - only for it to be revealed down the road that the were paying the same for a 3y/o car as they would for a more servicable new car :P:P

Old diesel · 28-11-2013 09:20PM

Capri wrote: »

Surely the new price, VRT/VAT free, would be similar to what they'd be paying from a dealer for a 3y/o model. Maybe they're just after the optics to the general public of the 'Gardai save money on fleet' headlines - only for it to be revealed down the road that the were paying the same for a 3y/o car as they would for a more servicable new car :P:P

Its a good point - common sense would suggest that since VRT is paid to the state - and An Garda Siochana - is part of the state - that Garda cars could simply be bought at a price that excludes VRT.

However - I fear that this being Ireland - the Gardaí have to buy the cars with VRT included in the price - which then goes to Revenue.

Would love to know the actual situation though - as you say if the cars were bought new without VRT being paid - you've lost most of the saving that the 3 year old car would bring.

kub · 28-11-2013 10:58PM

Capri wrote: »

Surely the new price, VRT/VAT free, would be similar to what they'd be paying from a dealer for a 3y/o model. Maybe they're just after the optics to the general public of the 'Gardai save money on fleet' headlines - only for it to be revealed down the road that the were paying the same for a 3y/o car as they would for a more servicable new car :P:P

And not to mention of course the money spent on maintaining them

3fullback · 29-11-2013 01:19AM

What about them being for K9 unit ? Smelly dogs etc..

belacqua_ · 29-11-2013 12:54PM

What are the chances that this tender is aimed at second-hand cars previously lent to AGS for recent VIP visits ... These high-end cars could be destined for senior members/special duties or to have in place for other visiting dignitaries. That or they're for undercover work. But I'd have thought there'd be other means for acquiring undercover vehicles.

Terrontress · 29-11-2013 08:54PM

belacqua_ wrote: »

What are the chances that this tender is aimed at second-hand cars previously lent to AGS for recent VIP visits ... These high-end cars could be destined for senior members/special duties or to have in place for other visiting dignitaries. That or they're for undercover work. But I'd have thought there'd be other means for acquiring undercover vehicles.

So do you think the vehicles exist already and the tender is just to formalise their acquisition?

kub · 29-11-2013 09:22PM

Terrontress wrote: »

So do you think the vehicles exist already and the tender is just to formalise their acquisition?

So the tender process will make idiots of car dealers all over the country. Not for the first time I suppose.

Old diesel · 29-11-2013 09:23PM

kub wrote: »

So the tender process will make idiots of car dealers all over the country. Not for the first time I suppose.

Someones just speculating - doesn't mean that's the way it will pan out.

Tbh - it really doesn't make sense either way

knifey_spoonie · 30-11-2013 12:39AM

Having looked at the tender doc's they ain't after a mondeo, There's minimum power to weight ratio's and the likes listed in the tender.

Safe to say they ain't for mules

belacqua_ · 30-11-2013 01:59AM

Terrontress wrote: »

So do you think the vehicles exist already and the tender is just to formalise their acquisition?

It's just speculation on my part, but that's how these things work.

Manufacturer/dealer says: remember those three large [luxury] family cars we lent you last year?

Management: You mean the three vehicles generally referred to in the industry as a ‘D’ or ‘Large Family' segment class type in a 4-door Saloon.

Manufacturer: Yes, the D, or large family, segment class. They're about 3 years old and they have less than 60,000kms on the clock.

Management: Sure I know the previous owner.

Manufacturer: These yokes are in showroom condition and conform to our specifications. You can come and have a look at them whenever you like.

Management: Nice. What are you looking for them?

Manufacturer: We'll give you them for x euros a piece.

Management: Bargain. But we've to throw an auld quick tender out there, just to keep things above board. But sure, who'll match that deal.

Manufacturer: That'll do, we can get them to you within the week. After we've valeted them, of course.

Management: Lovely stuff.

Tender: This is a procurement for the supply up to three vehicles generally referred to in the industry as a ‘D’ or ‘Large Family” segment class type in a 4-door Saloon. The vehicles must be Pre – owned but cannot be older than 3 - 4 years, and should have less than 60,000 kms travelled before delivery. The vehicles are to be supplied in normal showroom condition to the specifications contained in this tender. Vehicles must conform to manufactures specifications Vehicles must be made available for inspection on request Delivery must be within 7 days of delivery.

Maybe I'm just a little cynical ...

sparrowcar · 30-11-2013 07:51AM

belacqua_ wrote: »

It's just speculation on my part, but that's how these things work.

Manufacturer/dealer says: remember those three large [luxury] family cars we lent you last year?

Management: You mean the three vehicles generally referred to in the industry as a ‘D’ or ‘Large Family' segment class type in a 4-door Saloon.

Manufacturer: Yes, the D, or large family, segment class. They're about 3 years old and they have less than 60,000kms on the clock.

Management: Sure I know the previous owner.

Manufacturer: These yokes are in showroom condition and conform to our specifications. You can come and have a look at them whenever you like.

Management: Nice. What are you looking for them?

Manufacturer: We'll give you them for x euros a piece.

Management: Bargain. But we've to throw an auld quick tender out there, just to keep things above board. But sure, who'll match that deal.

Manufacturer: That'll do, we can get them to you within the week. After we've valeted them, of course.

Management: Lovely stuff.

Tender: This is a procurement for the supply up to three vehicles generally referred to in the industry as a ‘D’ or ‘Large Family” segment class type in a 4-door Saloon. The vehicles must be Pre – owned but cannot be older than 3 - 4 years, and should have less than 60,000 kms travelled before delivery. The vehicles are to be supplied in normal showroom condition to the specifications contained in this tender. Vehicles must conform to manufactures specifications Vehicles must be made available for inspection on request Delivery must be within 7 days of delivery.

Maybe I'm just a little cynical ...

That's how government tenders worked in a non related industry I use to work in. My old company was asked to write the tender so we could win it on numerous occasions. It's very common.

Leo Demidov · 30-11-2013 09:41AM

Delivery must be within 7 days of delivery?

miju · 02-12-2013 08:11AM

kub wrote: »

So the tender process will make idiots of car dealers all over the country. Not for the first time I suppose.

And the previous time was when?

I always get great giggles from these tender discussions and the wild assumptions as to how it works

sparrowcar wrote: »

That's how government tenders worked in a non related industry I use to work in. My old company was asked to write the tender so we could win it on numerous occasions. It's very common.

I highly doubt it as it that's against EU Directives in particular 18/2004

POGAN · 03-12-2013 09:54PM

3fullback wrote: »

Why say family car and not jeep ?? Or am I missing something ??

POGAN any sign of them new Hyundais ?

Suppose your there some out & about already haven't seen nothing but the new new PO vans

3fullback · 03-12-2013 11:57PM

If anyones got a pic of a new Hyandai AGS car please share

kub · 05-12-2013 12:41AM

Well don't the Hyundai's look good compared with the look of those yolks. I suppose though having said that, they do remind me of those Lada cars that arrived here in the late 80's. It seemed that they had very long lives, I wonder will those Dacia's be the same?

carzony · 05-12-2013 12:45AM

kub wrote: »

Well don't the Hyundai's look good compared with the look of those yolks. I suppose though having said that, they do remind me of those Lada cars that arrived here in the late 80's. It seemed that they had very long lives, I wonder will those Dacia's be the same?

Those hyundai's are a great looking car, especially the estates. I'v seen loads of them around (private ones)

3fullback · 05-12-2013 12:54AM

carzony wrote: »

I'v seen loads of them around (private ones)

Anyone seen an AGS Hyundai, but doesn't have a photo. If so where/when

?

kub · 05-12-2013 04:56PM

carzony wrote: »

Those hyundai's are a great looking car, especially the estates. I'v seen loads of them around (private ones)

That is what I said.

carzony · 05-12-2013 05:43PM

kub wrote: »

That is what I said.

sorry didn't bother reading your post at the start:o...

Capri · 05-12-2013 06:48PM

kub wrote: »

Well don't the Hyundai's look good compared with the look of those yolks. I suppose though having said that, they do remind me of those Lada cars that arrived here in the late 80's. It seemed that they had very long lives, I wonder will those Dacia's be the same?

The Lada was the 1966 Fiat 124 but modified for Russian roads, the Lada's seem to go on for ever compared with the rust plagued Fiats.

The Army had a flirtration with Romanian Aro's back in the 80's, don't see any around the country now.

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Those Dacias are sold as Nissan Terranos in India so if AGS said they were buying Nissans instead of Dacias would the reaction be as negative

Capri · 11-12-2013 12:07AM

Further to my Dacia Duster post, I wonder if AGS considered the Skoda Yeti as a suitable 2/4WD vehicle http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/skoda/yeti/84836/2014-skoda-yeti-4x4-review?_mout=1&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter

On another topic, vehicle 'battenberg' markings, are they any more effective than reflective 'POLICE / GARDA' lettering would be on a plain white car ,they must cost a few bob compared with just a few reflective letters

Old diesel · 11-12-2013 12:20AM

Capri wrote: »

Further to my Dacia Duster post, I wonder if AGS considered the Skoda Yeti as a suitable 2/4WD vehicle http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/skoda/yeti/84836/2014-skoda-yeti-4x4-review?_mout=1&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter

On another topic, vehicle 'battenberg' markings, are they any more effective than reflective 'POLICE / GARDA' lettering would be on a plain white car ,they must cost a few bob compared with just a few reflective letters

They are on the small side as a 4 x 4 - but as a standard regular patrol car - theyd have potential I think - as say a 170 tdi 4 x 4 - or even the 1.8 tsi with 4 x 4.

Boot may be a little small though - but they have a reputation for handling very well from what ive heard.

Not a bad choice I would say

3fullback · 11-12-2013 12:39AM

They look horrible.

Wheres my Hyundais

. . . Especially the Santa fee 4x4

Capri · 11-12-2013 02:27AM

XC70's

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/volvo-wants-to-make-all-the-police-cars-1480698451

11-12-2013 09:14AM

Capri wrote: »

Further to my Dacia Duster post, I wonder if AGS considered the Skoda Yeti as a suitable 2/4WD vehicle http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/skoda/yeti/84836/2014-skoda-yeti-4x4-review?_mout=1&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter

On another topic, vehicle 'battenberg' markings, are they any more effective than reflective 'POLICE / GARDA' lettering would be on a plain white car ,they must cost a few bob compared with just a few reflective letters

It was up in the depot last year for testing.

POGAN · 11-12-2013 09:46AM

Capri wrote: »

XC70's

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/volvo-wants-to-make-all-the-police-cars-1480698451

RSU need new cars they might do great deal for the AGS possible

Old diesel · 11-12-2013 10:28AM

foreign wrote: »

It was up in the depot last year for testing.

Would love to spend a day in the mind of someone who takes something like a Skoda Yeti 170 tdi 4 x 4 on test.

And then decides - I know - lets buy 1.7 Hyundai i40s

source · 11-12-2013 10:44AM

Old diesel wrote: »

Would love to spend a day in the mind of someone who takes something like a Skoda Yeti 170 tdi 4 x 4 on test.

And then decides - I know - lets buy 1.7 Hyundai i40s

The testers make the recommendations, the bean counters make the final decision.

goldie fish · 11-12-2013 11:40AM

source wrote: »

The testers make the recommendations, the bean counters make the final decision.

It depends how the weighting process was formulated. What weighting did cost have over other characteristics.

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