Gerry Adams : Terrorist or Freedom Fighter?

LordSutch · 11-12-2013 12:12AM

Well in fairness it was in reply to this

I remember in the 1980's when our only state broadcaster RTE , had a broadcasting ban on Sinn Fein .

So you look at the 6pm News , and you can see Gerry talking , but cannot hear what he is saying .

Gerry and Republican Sinn Fein did their utmost to get their message across to the nation in spite of this ridiculous rule .

Gerry always insisted he was a spokesperson for Republican Sinn Fein , and I agree . - Freedom Fighter

Courtesy of Post#84.

Busted Flat. · 11-12-2013 12:17AM

LordSutch wrote: »

Well in fairness it was in reply to this

I remember in the 1980's when our only state broadcaster RTE , had a broadcasting ban on Sinn Fein .

So you look at the 6pm News , and you can see Gerry talking , but cannot hear what he is saying .

Gerry and Republican Sinn Fein did their utmost to get their message across to the nation in spite of this ridiculous rule .

Gerry always insisted he was a spokesperson for Republican Sinn Fein , and I agree . - Freedom Fighter

Courtesy of Post#84.

Check your facts, you are getting confused with your posts, with your eagerness to come out with something of meaning.

Karl Stein · 11-12-2013 12:25AM

spank_inferno wrote: »

Needs a poll to really bait the shinner-bots.

And so ignorant Paisley-bots can vent their spleen.

Fratton Fred · 11-12-2013 12:37AM

Well, if helps, he isn't the Crown Steward.and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead anymore.

Shame, he was so good at it.

LordSutch · 11-12-2013 12:42AM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Check your facts, you are getting confused with your posts, with your eagerness to come out with something of meaning.

I did not post#84, I simply replied in post#87, maybe you are getting confused?

alphabeat · 11-12-2013 12:43AM

a murdertician

Deedsie · 11-12-2013 01:01AM

Both I guess...

Were Michael Collins and Eamon De Valera terrorists? Yadda yadda...

8500 died between 1916 & 1923... Compared to 3500 during the troubles in Northern Ireland? Such a crass statistic i know. All lost lives over Irish politics is a genuine tragedy. I just think people need to ask the question why are one group of terrorists/freedom fighters revered and another group the worst bastards to ever have terrorised our island?

Just to be clear, I'm not defending Gerry Adams, I just don't like the hypocrisy. I'd imagine if I was born in Northern Ireland under the old stormont regime I'd have been ready to fight back. And no I dont mean murder children. I mean fight to change the system from a position where I was a second class citizen and democracy was twisted in such a way that politics couldn't make the changes I would have required.

Karl Stein · 11-12-2013 01:16AM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

The ignorance from people down here regarding the history of the North is baffling and dismaying - there really do seem to be people down here who think it was fairly ok up there and then the IRA came along and started everything.

Much of this ignorance can be attributed to a conscious effort to stifle the Nationalist narrative of what was happening at the time. Consider 'Censor in Chief' Connor Cruise O'Brien's maniacal hated of Irish Republicanism that unfortunately we still hear echoed by many maniacal anti-Republican people/posters to this day:

O'Brien revealed an intention to extend censorship beyond broadcasting. He wished to "cleanse the culture" of republicanism and would like the bill to be used against teachers who allegedly glorified Irish revolutionaries. He also wanted it used against newspaper editors who published pro-republican or anti-British readers' letters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conor_Cruise_O'Brien

I remember, distinctly, CC O'Brien's maniacal eyes when he addressed Gerry Adams when Adams was first interviewed on the Late Late show (I think it was TLLS might have been a different show), honestly he looked possessed.. as if his hatred of Republicans had become a mental disorder that left no room for rational thought.

Busted Flat. · 11-12-2013 01:29AM

Carlos Roca wrote: »

Much of this ignorance can be attributed to a conscious effort to stifle the Nationalist narrative of what was happening at the time. Consider 'Censor in Chief' Connor Cruise O'Brien's maniacal hated of Irish Republicanism that unfortunately we still hear echoed by many maniacal anti-Republican people/posters to this day:

I remember, distinctly, CC O'Brien's maniacal eyes when he addressed Gerry Adams when Adams was first interviewed on the Late Late show (I think it was TLLS might have been a different show), honestly he looked possessed.. as if his hatred of Republicans had become a mental disorder that left no room for rational thought.

He was a minister in government, and none of his party colleagues brought him to task. What a danger he was to the country.

Vicar in a tutu · 11-12-2013 01:30AM

Liar

Mint Aero · 11-12-2013 01:32AM

A great statesman. A great man. If Mr. Adams requested an audience with Mint Aero, it would be granted. I would consider it a great honour.

jantheman91 · 11-12-2013 01:37AM

LordSutch wrote: »

I remember in the 1980's when our only state broadcaster RTE , had a broadcasting ban on Sinn Fein .

So if you looked at the 6pm News , you could see Adams talking, but could not hear what he was saying (thank God).

Adams and Sinn Fein/IRA did their utmost to get their message across to the nation in spite of this harsh but necessary rule.

Adams always insisted he was not a spokesperson for the IRA, but I disagree. He was a Terrorist apologist.

Coming from the resident imperialist himself.

CueCard7 · 11-12-2013 01:39AM

He was involved with the IRA

They killed people..,,,,,,

This did nt happen yesterday you know.

Adams didn't start the conflict but he was instamental in ending it

Foxhound38 · 11-12-2013 01:54AM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Are you describing the B Special's, RUC, Faulkner, the Wicket witch, Major, and do not forget Ronald Bunting, and the Rev Ian, Red hand commandos, and last but not least the black ops of the british army, who Harry Reid got the information for the Loyalists murder gangs. Ps. the romper room slaughter by the Shankill Butchers.

No, I wasn't discussing them at all in fact. This thread is asking what we think about Gerry Adams isn't it?

If you wish to start a different thread asking what we think of them, I'll talk about them too - not in any more glowing terms either, mind

HansHolzel · 11-12-2013 01:56AM

Like Baxter, he will always be a friend to the bears.

moxin · 11-12-2013 02:00AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

A terrorist in my book is somebody that intentionally targets civilians or civil servants (not included the Armed forces). If Gerry was indeed in the IRA then he is a terrorist in my book.

The only

The British Armed Forces are terrorists too then as they and their outsourced friends murdered hundreds of Irish civilians intentionally in NI. (as well as down here before independence)

The Golden Miller · 11-12-2013 02:09AM

The resident partitionists and revisionists are out in force again I see. Such easily manipulated fools. As someone pointed out, they'd do well to research conor cruise o'brien, eoghan harris amongst others, and then come back and tell us they arn't. Clowns

11-12-2013 02:12AM

Adams is a freedom fighter to me.

No worse than Franklin D Roosevelt who oversaw the killing of hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians in Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Or Margaret Thatcher in relation to the Belgrano.

Be careful which version of history you take as "truth". It's all subjective

11-12-2013 02:13AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

The resident partitionists and revisionists are out in force again I see. Such easily manipulated fools. As someone pointed out, they'd do well to research conor cruise o'brien, eoghan harris amongst others, and then come back and tell us they arn't. Clowns

Not sure which side you're on with this comment

Please elaborate.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 11-12-2013 02:16AM

I'd like to use the term Freedom fighter but I'm going to opt for 'wanker' instead

11-12-2013 02:23AM

CJC999 wrote: »

I'd like to use the term Freedom fighter but I'm going to opt for 'wanker' instead

You're obviously trying to be witty in order to get thanks.

Pretty lame in all honesty.

Please try harder, or better yet make a cogent and convincing case one way or the other :rolleyes:

Cee-Jay-Cee · 11-12-2013 02:29AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You're obviously trying to be witty in order to get thanks.

Pretty lame in all honesty.

Please try harder, or better yet make a cogent and convincing case one way or the other :rolleyes:

No thanks.

The Golden Miller · 11-12-2013 02:35AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not sure which side you're on with this comment

Please elaborate.

The Irish nationalist side.

Foxhound38 · 11-12-2013 02:41AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

The Irish nationalist side.

Because unthinking nationalism has worked out so well for us (and pretty much everywhere else it has been tried) historically?

The Golden Miller · 11-12-2013 02:44AM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Because unthinking nationalism has worked out so well for us (and pretty much everywhere else it has been tried) historically?

Im an unthinking nationalist?

Foxhound38 · 11-12-2013 02:50AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Im an unthinking nationalist?

Isn't "thinking nationalism" an oxymoron?

foggy_lad · 11-12-2013 02:57AM

Murderer

WilyCoyote · 11-12-2013 03:36AM

I'd like to know if the posters that criticise Adams were around to see the apartheid state in Ireland ....... where Nationalists were treated as second class citizens, denied housing, jobs and services while their unionist neighbours were well looked after. The British backed regime (in cahoots with both South Africa and Israel and later armed by them) did it's utmost to prop this racist abomination in the face of rising Civil Rights meetings.

Whether Gerry Adams was or was not in the IRA is just a distraction put forward by those short of debating ammunition (pun intended). He has given most of his time to the Unification Of Ireland and that to me makes him a Freedom Fighter - turned successful politician.
Remember, George Washington was also declared a terrorist by the Brits while Pinochet, Allende, Idi Amin etc were lauded.

DeadHand · 11-12-2013 03:45AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Adams is a freedom fighter to me.

No worse than Franklin D Roosevelt who oversaw the killing of hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians in Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Or Margaret Thatcher in relation to the Belgrano.

Be careful which version of history you take as "truth". It's all subjective

Harry S. Truman sanctioned the use of atomic weapons on Japan, not FDR who was suffering from the notable handicap of being dead at the time.

Be careful to to have your facts right before you presume to lecture others on history.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 11-12-2013 04:03AM

coolhull wrote: »

You decide. . . .

Same thing, no?

Gerry Adams : Terrorist or Freedom Fighter?

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