Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15 Mod Warning post #6011

RoryMac · 09-12-2013 03:20PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Celtic dish out the bans as expected

I wonder how they came up with the 128 people to be banned, did they ban a whole section or have they gone through cctv an identified the individuals(hardly likely in a few days)

EDIT - Sorry I see the rest of your post now!

Antifa161 · 09-12-2013 03:22PM

Hibs match will be interesting

Dempsey · 09-12-2013 03:24PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

Why are the club telling them they can't have political displays then having a minute's applause for a politician? Why are the club playing Bobby Sands' music in their official "lounge" but you're not allowed to have a picture of him in the stadium? Why can't the club be "trusted" not to treat people with double standards?

Imagine someone like Lawwell lecturing you on the history of Celtic FC. Jesus christ.

Because the club doesnt trust them as far as they can throw them. They showed that they cannot be trusted and are now banned because they lack even the most basic common sense.

Antifa161 · 09-12-2013 03:26PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Because the club doesnt trust them as far as they can throw them. They showed that they cannot be trusted and are now banned because they lack even the most basic common sense.

But the club cannot be trusted either, since they're guilty of the same things they accuse the GB of.

PauloMN · 09-12-2013 03:26PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

Maybe they assumed since it's perfectly ok to have poppy displays, tributes to the army, minutes silences and applause for politicians, songs about William Wallace etc that an inoffensive display about Sands and Walalce would be ok. More fool them really. Had they ran it by the club first, the club would have said no - which is exactly the double standard the display was protesting about.

I'm surprised the club has put up with them this long tbh.

And what you might deem inoffensive, others definitely do not. Banners with Bobby Sands on them are always going to be contentious in mainland Britain given his organisation's history.

Rules are put in place for the general good of everyone. If you don't like the rules, either don't go to the stadium, or put up with them. If you want to make political protests - fine - do it outside in public where you are free to do so.

There's a hell of a lot more fans in Parkhead that are not in the GB than who are, and the vast majority of them seem to have no problem following simple rules.

Dempsey · 09-12-2013 03:30PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

But the club cannot be trusted either, since they're guilty of the same things they accuse the GB of.

Because they dont allow a group of delinquent supporters to do as they please?! :rolleyes:

Antifa161 · 09-12-2013 03:32PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Banners with Bobby Sands on them are always going to be contentious in mainland Britain given his organisation's history.

lol and Mandela..........?

There's a hell of a lot more fans in Parkhead that are not in the GB than who are, and the vast majority of them seem to have no problem following simple rules.

The vast majority of which offer absolutely fúck all in terms of atmosphere or passion while still trying to milk "The Best Fans In The World" whenever they can.

It's settled now anyway, 128 vile hooligan neds banned from attending Celtic games. I think that's the most we've seen banned in Scotland isn't it? In a country where we've seen thousands of people mock the Famine, tell people to go back to their own country, celebrate murdering Catholics, banners and songs about people with cancer (I'm not just talking about one team here), we have 128 fans banned for some pyrotechnics and broken seats.

Lets hope the performances on the park remain at a high level is all I can say.

Richard Hillman · 09-12-2013 03:39PM

Good to see Celtic ban these attention seekers. The club has gone up in my estimated after hearing this news. The vast majority of Celtic fans have also rejected these people which is a great sign of maturity by them. Good on ye.

PauloMN · 09-12-2013 03:48PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

lol and Mandela..........?

Seriously, don't try and compare the two.

Antifa161 wrote: »

The vast majority of which offer absolutely fúck all in terms of atmosphere or passion while still trying to milk "The Best Fans In The World" whenever they can.

That reputation was gained from fan behaviour, not atmosphere. Who are you to judge other fans anyway? Nobody has ever doubted the atmosphere the GB bring, but that can't be at any price, and I for one am sick to the teeth of "atmosphere" being used as some sort of bull**** excuse for the GB to do whatever they feel like doing.

Antifa161 wrote: »

It's settled now anyway, 128 vile hooligan neds banned from attending Celtic games. I think that's the most we've seen banned in Scotland isn't it? In a country where we've seen thousands of people mock the Famine, tell people to go back to their own country, celebrate murdering Catholics, banners and songs about people with cancer (I'm not just talking about one team here), we have 128 fans banned for some pyrotechnics and broken seats.

Lets hope the performances on the park remain at a high level is all I can say.

Are you suggesting the club should not ban "fans" who have carried out pure vandalism?

Antifa161 · 09-12-2013 03:52PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Seriously, don't try and compare the two.

I'm speechless. Do you want me to pretty much flood this thread with quotes, articles and references of the comparisons? Even from Mandela himself?!

That reputation was gained from fan behaviour, not atmosphere. Who are you to judge other fans anyway?

I'm somebody who has been to several home games. Somebody who has sat near the GB and sat quite far away from them and noticed the stark difference in atmosphere and general enjoyment being there.

Are you suggesting the club should not ban "fans" who have carried out pure vandalism?

They should absolutely be banned. What we have instead is huge numbers of people guilty until proven innocent. If they can identify people intentionally damaging seats then they should be dealt with (since apparently it was impossible to deal with them at the time)

Hagar the Nice. · 09-12-2013 03:52PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

BBE mentioned having asthma and not being able to be near them. With all due respect, that is your problem. Don't sit near these sections. If I have sensitive ears I don't demand everyone keeps the noise down. It's a bit selfish to want the majority to miss out because of the tiny minority.

C'mon Antifa,that statement is so wrong.
There is a thing they have in Scotland called wind,it blows in many different directions.

Antifa161 · 09-12-2013 03:57PM

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

C'mon Antifa,that statement is so wrong.
There is a thing they have in Scotland called wind,it blows in many different directions.

Yeah, I've seen it blow tons of smoke into the disabled sections after our club's "official" pyro. Again, if your asthma is so bad that a bit of smoke blown toward you in a massive outdoor stadium is a real threat to your health then you should probably make a decision not to go. What if you're walking home and there's a traffic jam with lots of car fumes? What would you do if you supported one of the thousands and thousands and thousands of clubs out there who frequently have pyro at games?

dublinbhoy88 · 09-12-2013 04:00PM

PauloMN wrote: »

The don't have a very good record of doing that either, with their "football related" Bobby Sands banner. :pac:

there was a minutes applause for a convicted terrorist before Friday s game, mind you if you sang about a convicted Irish terrorist during the game you could be arrested,don't here the no politics in football brigade moaning about the Mandela tribute

Antifa161 · 09-12-2013 04:04PM

dublinbhoy88 wrote: »

there was a minutes applause for a convicted terrorist before Friday s game, mind you if you sang about a convicted Irish terrorist during the game you could be arrested,don't here the no politics in football brigade moaning about the Mandela tribute

Apparently Nelson "Black Provo" Mandela is nothing like Sands though. There are no parallels. None whatsoever. :rolleyes:

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 09-12-2013 04:05PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

Yeah, I've seen it blow tons of smoke into the disabled sections after our club's "official" pyro. Again, if your asthma is so bad that a bit of smoke blown toward you in a massive outdoor stadium is a real threat to your health then you should probably make a decision not to go. What if you're walking home and there's a traffic jam with lots of car fumes? What would you do if you supported one of the thousands and thousands and thousands of clubs out there who frequently have pyro at games?

You really talk some nonsense if you have ever been near to a smoke bomb when it goes off then you know the smoke can get into your lungs it is also full of chemical that aren't very healthy to breath.
But you carry on mocking people who have an illness it really show your ignorance and you would fit right in with the GB

Antifa161 · 09-12-2013 04:06PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

You really talk some nonsense if you have ever been near to a smoke bomb when it goes off then you know the smoke can get into your lungs it is also full of chemical that aren't very healthy to breath.

I'm not sure how this has escaped you but the key point, actually probably the only point I made to you is that it's a good idea to not be near them.

But you carry on mocking people who have an illness it really show your ignorance and you would fit right in with the GB

I'm not mocking your illness at all for fúcks sake, stop playing the crybaby victim for once.

Prop Joe · 09-12-2013 04:19PM

There is a 2 faced attitude to banning political songs/banners when they allow Mandela and poppy tributes. GB are really pushing the boundaries now and I think it should be time for them to disband.

Hagar the Nice. · 09-12-2013 04:19PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

Yeah, I've seen it blow tons of smoke into the disabled sections after our club's "official" pyro. Again, if your asthma is so bad that a bit of smoke blown toward you in a massive outdoor stadium is a real threat to your health then you should probably make a decision not to go. What if you're walking home and there's a traffic jam with lots of car fumes? What would you do if you supported one of the thousands and thousands and thousands of clubs out there who frequently have pyro at games?

Sadly,because of my hip,athsma and kidney problems I don't get to see the Bhoys very often these days,my first game was Dundee at CP in December 1962 and I'll always love Celtic,win,lose or draw.
However,as much as the GB create a great atmosphere,they must know they are turning fans against them by their actions.
My cousin from Carfin is a member and even he was appalled by the amount of idiots who fired the smokebombs and ripped up chairs,that is caused by clowns,simple as that and there is no excuse for them whatsoever.

Eirebear · 09-12-2013 04:26PM

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

However,as much as the GB create a great atmosphere,they must know they are turning fans against them by their actions.
My cousin from Carfin is a member and even he was appalled by the amount of idiots who fired the smokebombs and ripped up chairs,that is caused by clowns,simple as that and there is no excuse for them whatsoever.

Thing is - and i'm not singling out the GB here as I have issues with all of these groups in general - I really don't think they care.
Even the GB's statement today reeks of arrogance, talking about these things happening on "Our watch".
Seriously, who do they think they are?
They bang on about hypocrisy, yet apologists will defend the vandalism of an away ground while at the same time complaining that they aren't allowed to do what they want.
They have absolutely no regard for other fans, because after all without them there would be no "fun" at matches.
They have appointed themselves responsible for the rights of football fans, yet at the same time don;t give a flying **** about anyone outside their particular group.
Hypocrisy eh?

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 09-12-2013 04:28PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

I'm not sure how this has escaped you but the key point, actually probably the only point I made to you is that it's a good idea to not be near them.

I'm not mocking your illness at all for fúcks sake, stop playing the crybaby victim for once.

Do you really think I am upset about your mocking attitude then you really are being very obtuse. The simple fact if I go to a game especially an away game I have no idea where these things are going to come from. The perfect example is the game on Friday it happened in what was supposedly the GB section but it wasn't them that did it. So by extension it means people don't know where is safe from these idiots.

It is really getting tiresome when you don't like what I say I am being a crybaby etc. You are not some gangster facing me with a gun you are an individual at the end of a keyboard/ So really get over yourself

Lennonist · 09-12-2013 04:29PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Seriously, don't try and compare the two.

Mandela was directly influenced by Bobby Sands when he lead a hunger strike seeking better conditions for prisoners on Robben Island. Mandela was described as a terrorist by the British PM Margaret Thatcher. He was called a "black Provo" by DUP politician Sammy Wilson. Mandela was only officially removed from the US terrorism watchlist in 2008. Mandela and Sands had a few things in common.

While I'm aware Bobby Sands remains a controversial figure with some people in Britain, I think there is a degree of hypocrisy around outlawing an image of Bobby Sands being displayed while at the same time other politically charged emblems and gestures are deemed appropriate inside football stadiums.

All that aside the Green Brigade have made life difficult for themselves. When they displayed the Sands/Wallace banner it was at a CL game which was in direct contravention of UEFA guidelines, UEFA don't allow the wearing of poppies on shirts for example either. The GB obviously wanted to make their point with a large audience watching but they knew they were crossing the line that night in relation to UEFA guidelines and broke an agreement they made with the club. They set themselves up for what is happening to them now after the events at Fir Park which they as a group are getting the blame for.

I'm pissed off with this because the SPL and police probably wont have Celtic playing Friday night SPL games now. Televised games will be back to midday kick offs on Saturdays and Sundays when the crowd and players are still half asleep.

RoryMac · 09-12-2013 04:43PM

Eirebear wrote: »

Thing is - and i'm not singling out the GB here as I have issues with all of these groups in general - I really don't think they care.
Even the GB's statement today reeks of arrogance, talking about these things happening on "Our watch".
Seriously, who do they think they are?
They bang on about hypocrisy, yet apologists will defend the vandalism of an away ground while at the same time complaining that they aren't allowed to do what they want.
They have absolutely no regard for other fans, because after all without them there would be no "fun" at matches.
They have appointed themselves responsible for the rights of football fans, yet at the same time don;t give a flying **** about anyone outside their particular group.
Hypocrisy eh?

They think they are Celtic rather than just a small section of fans supporting the club.

PauloMN · 09-12-2013 04:57PM

Lennonist wrote: »

Mandela was directly influenced by Bobby Sands when he lead a hunger strike seeking better conditions for prisoners on Robben Island. Mandela was described as a terrorist by the British PM Margaret Thatcher. He was called a "black Provo" by DUP politician Sammy Wilson. Mandela was only officially removed from the US terrorism watchlist in 2008. Mandela and Sands had a few things in common.

I'm not denying any of that. I just think that people view the struggle against apartheid (and the regime that implemented apartheid) as a different war to the war that the IRA were involved in at the time. The fight that Mandela was involved in was more black and white ('scuse the pun) than the fight the IRA were involved in. The fact that the IRA were operating a lot closer to home of course influences peoples' opinions, rightly or wrongly. Anyway I don't want to get into a political debate about it.

Lennonist wrote: »

While I'm aware Bobby Sands remains a controversial figure with some people in Britain, I think there is a degree of hypocrisy around outlawing an image of Bobby Sands being displayed while at the same time other politically charged emblems and gestures are deemed appropriate inside football stadiums.

I don't disagree with that, I think there's a time and place for everything though - it's clear the GB were a law unto themselves on that one. I personally wish all politics was kept out of sport, including tributes to the likes of Mandela. It doesn't bother me especially, and that includes the Bobby Sands banner, but for the sake of not having to listen to groups whinging about this and that, I'd prefer if no such tributes or political expressions were allowed at matches.

Lennonist wrote: »

All that aside the Green Brigade have made life difficult for themselves. When they displayed the Sands/Wallace banner it was at a CL game which was in direct contravention of UEFA guidelines, UEFA don't allow the wearing of poppies on shirts for example either. The GB obviously wanted to make their point with a large audience watching but they knew they were crossing the line that night in relation to UEFA guidelines and broke an agreement they made with the club. They set themselves up for what is happening to them now after the events at Fir Park which they as a group are getting the blame for.

They are their own worst enemy tbh.

Lennonist wrote: »

I'm pissed off with this because the SPL and police probably wont have Celtic playing Friday night SPL games now. Televised games will be back to midday kick offs on Saturdays and Sundays when the crowd and players are still half asleep.

Yep, agreed, the Friday night games are a welcome change. Hopefully this incident doesn't mess things up.

eire4 · 09-12-2013 06:26PM

After last weeks demolition job in the cup I really must say I didn't know what to expect performance wise on Friday. So what a joy to see Celtic produce another brilliant show of football that was simply a joy to watch. Even in the first half hour when we didn't create many clear cut chances our passing was still very crisp and accurate. Obviously you cannot expect brilliance every week but hopefully we will see Celtic carry a consistent level of high quality forward now as watching Celtic in the last 2 games has been sheer joy.

Lennonist · 09-12-2013 06:34PM

PauloMN wrote: »

They are their own worst enemy tbh.

In Glasgow parlance the Green Brigade made a cúnt of themselves.

Speaking of Glasgow parlance, their use of the word/name Ned (non educated delinquent) is interesting. On the Huddleboard I go by the username "Young Ned of the Hill" after The Pogues song of the same name about Éamonn an Chnoic, an Irish folklore figure who fell foul of the law just after Cromwellian times. I was arguing with a fella there one night and he threw abuse at me because I think he thought I was a Ned:pac:.

blahfckingblah · 09-12-2013 06:44PM

Antifa161 just loves a good controversial opinion.
While i see very little wrong with their Bobby Sands display, the GB have known for since cliftonville that the club were sick of their ****. they did leave the club with their hands tied by blatantly damaging as many seats as possible at Fir park. Only they could carry out large scale damage and act like the innocent victim

dundalkfc10 · 09-12-2013 08:50PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

Antifa161 just loves a good controversial opinion.
While i see very little wrong with their Bobby Sands display, the GB have known for since cliftonville that the club were sick of their ****. they did leave the club with their hands tied by blatantly damaging as many seats as possible at Fir park. Only they could carry out large scale damage and act like the innocent victim

How do you know anyone from the GB broke seats?

Dempsey · 09-12-2013 08:58PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

How do you know anyone from the GB broke seats?

It happens in their section at CP and now in an away game but they always seem to blame someone else. The GB were on their last warning yet allowed other fans to break their seats without complaining to the stewards? It just doesnt add up

dundalkfc10 · 09-12-2013 09:46PM

Dempsey wrote: »

It happens in their section at CP and now in an away game but they always seem to blame someone else. The GB were on their last warning yet allowed other fans to break their seats without complaining to the stewards? It just doesnt add up

There was obvs overcrowding in that section on the stand, it was clear from the TV pics.
Not everyone in that section was GB so you cant blame them without evidence, and a broken seat in their area is not evidence

The GB also released a video after that game "all the seats were broken" showing all the seats and their was minimal damage to a few seats nothing more

RoryMac · 09-12-2013 09:51PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

How do you know anyone from the GB broke seats?

The seats broken were all in the area the GB occupied during the game, there were GB stickers all over the damaged seats and there were far too many seats broken for this to be a few hangers on going wild. The excuses put for just don't cut it.

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