EPointer=Birdss wrote: »

The 30 seconds they spend vs the hours a day a spaniels does is apples & oranges as regards a comparison. My pointer spends a lot more time in ditches than chasing rats but he is no spaniel & picks his steps as the vast majority do.
Lobbying for working dogs has nothing got to do with a loophole. Working breeds have a a purpose bar cosmetics. It is very easy to seperate the 2 in the print of a bill.

But the loophole was going to be written in and it would have given the go ahead for breeders to customarily dock breeds such as dobies/rotties/boxers. The way I read the amendment that Simon Coveney has stated that consideration will be given to working breeds for welfare purposes but not for cosmetic reasons, but that the procedure must be carried out by a vet, which is a good compromise. It means working dogs can still get docked, just by a vet and not by the breeder/anybody. It's not a big price to pay for compromise.

borderlinemeath wrote: »

But the loophole was going to be written in and it would have given the go ahead for breeders to customarily dock breeds such as dobies/rotties/boxers. The way I read the amendment that Simon Coveney has stated that consideration will be given to working breeds for welfare purposes but not for cosmetic reasons, but that the procedure must be carried out by a vet, which is a good compromise. It means working dogs can still get docked, just by a vet and not by the breeder/anybody. It's not a big price to pay for compromise.

If willing vets can be found but it is the best of bad situation if pushed through. How to regulate this will be next discussion. Without certification per pup this will be difficult.

In fairness I've seen the same amount of blood come from a nick on the ear, dogs wag the tail, it helps with the blood splatter. When mine cut her ear it was like a murder scene with blood sprays up the walls when she shook her head.

It will need regulation, best thing would for it to be certified on the microchip, which will be mandatory year after next.

hedgehog2 wrote: »

What a load of tripe,close any loophole to this practice and prosecute any eejit who continues to dock tails.

MOD: You're in the hunting forum. Posters here are discussing this proposal in the context of its effects on hunting. In order to post here, you're required to accept that in this forum, the posters have experiences that cause them to disagree with you. Their views are entirely valid and I would ask that you not refer to them as "tripe" without a supporting argument or you'll be taking a holiday from this forum.

grassroot1 wrote: »

Don't be so hard on yourself you did not know the reasons working dogs tails are docked. You have read my post and know you know your no longer ignorant. There is no need to thank me.

Do not antagonise the other poster. I have already instructed them to be more civil. The same applies to you.