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Today I did some detailing...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,920 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    cena wrote: »
    How much is the exo. I'm using a wax that was in tescos during the summer. Makes a big difference when touching the car. Feels very smooth

    It's expensive enough (€55 for 30ml on cleancar.ie) and you kind of need to know what you're doing when you use it. I've used it on a few cars since I did my own car for the first time during the summer.

    It takes a bit of getting used to when it comes to how much to apply to the applicator, how to apply it to the car and the way a few small drops go a long way. The one I used is EXO v2 but with v1 the ambient temp and the car's panel temp had to be above 6 degrees in order for it to bond and cure properly. I don't think it's the same for v2 but I still use this guideline. After application, the treated surfaces can't come into contact with water for 3 hours after application.

    Also it's better to apply it to a car that has just had a paint correction as it will bond better and only then will it be really able to increase the gloss.

    Ded_Zebra wrote: »
    Sweet post number you have there! :cool:


    Do have a friend that could lend you a car when it's been done?:P

    Just letting you know of a place that I have experience of being good :)

    I know and I appreciate that. Don't have anyone who could give me a loan of a car but if anything, I'd prefer a set of wheels instead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,792 ✭✭✭Ded_Zebra


    It's expensive enough (€55 for 30ml on cleancar.ie) and you kind of need to know what you're doing when you use it. I've used it on a few cars since I did my own car for the first time during the summer.

    It takes a bit of getting used to when it comes to how much to apply to the applicator, how to apply it to the car and the way a few small drops go a long way. The one I used is EXO v2 but with v1 the ambient temp and the car's panel temp had to be above 6 degrees in order for it to bond and cure properly. I don't think it's the same for v2 but I still use this guideline. After application, the treated surfaces can't come into contact with water for 3 hours after application.

    Also it's better to apply it to a car that has just had a paint correction as it will bond better and only then will it be really able to increase the gloss.




    I know and I appreciate that. Don't have anyone who could give me a loan of a car but if anything, I'd prefer a set of wheels instead.

    I'll lend you mine in return for a full stone chip and paint correction and some of this new fangled EXO stuff :pac::pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,920 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    Like I told you before, I don't do stone chip repair!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,792 ✭✭✭Ded_Zebra


    Like I told you before, I don't do stone chip repair!!

    I forget a lot of things people tell me :(

    I tried to do it myself but it didn't go well… All or the paint I put in the chips just fell out when it dried :confused: I'll try again!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,920 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    Try thinner layers instead of a lump of the stuff and let each layer dry properly before applying the next.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,302 ✭✭✭Supergurrier


    A big aul lump :p

    I vote we all show up at MM's house and demand a gtechniq application day !

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  • Posts: 14,266 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well today was my big detailing day with the Rav4. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.

    Long and short of it was that I went to bed last night with an alarm set for 9am and every intention to be polishing til my arms bleed until 4:30pm (I do it outside, and so can't continue on after sunset, unfortunately, due to lack of light).

    So I rolled out of bed at midday and half-consciously fell into the Rav before going to get some more supplies i wanted in halfords and homebase (some steel wool and autosol for the exhaust, a brush for the tyre gloss, etc.).

    It was 2pm before a drop of water hit the Rav and I got as far as Iron Cleansing before having to call it a day and wrap it up. Thankfully, I've another free-ish day tomorrow, so i can continue on from where I left off after a quick wash.


    Today I discovered that gloves are a worthy investment when it comes to cold weather and cold water. Who'd have thunk it! :rolleyes:

    I figured that by slapping a load more of the Snowfoam solution into the Nilfisk bottle attachment, it might become more 'snowy'. And to an extent it did work. I had a near 50/50 mix, and it was much better than watered down milk from the previous day, in that it did sit on the car, but it was still far too runny. It looked like someone had gotten sick on the car, almost. At this rate I'll have no snowfoam solution left by the time I get the lance, I'm using that much of it with the crappy detergent bottle. A false economy if ever there was one.

    That said, I must admit, and it could well be just the placebo effect, but when rinsing the snowfoam off the car, even though it's watered down to sh*te when I use it, it still leaves a lovely glossy wet shine when it comes off. It's quite good. i look forward to seeing what it'll be like when done properly like in some of the Youtube videos I've been watching.


    Moving on from there, the shampoo recommended by Curran is quite good. Compared to the Tesco wash and wax, i find, whilst it doesn't necessarily give a notably better finish (it is better, but probably not enough to sing it's praises), it does get a very comparable finish using only a fraction of the amount of Tesco stuff.

    By that what I mean is, a dribble of Chemical Guys Glozzworx seems to work as well as nearly a cup-full of Tesco's stuff. Ultimately, when it comes time to renew my shampoo, I'll buy Glossworx off DetailingShed.com again, instead of using Tesco, as I find that, although paying more up-front, it's still significantly better value for money in the long run (in my opinion, anyway).

    I used the tar cleanse today, too. I pretty much used half a bottle of it by spraying it over the entire car as if i were washing it with it ('better safe than sorry', I thought, figuring that my car probably never seen a tar cleanse before, and I wanted to over-do everything the first time around to make sure it was all up to scratch for future cleans).

    I was initially disappointed. I sprayed it all over the car and let it sit, then cleaned it off and noticed minor differences. Figured I'm using it wrong and then remembered I didn't use it on the wheels or sidebars. Sprayed it on the wheels and sidebars and let it sit.

    It's worth mentioning now, that my car is black, and therefore the tar remover did probably work a lot but it's work was probably hidden by the blackness of the car itself. I grabbed my hose (wahey) and started spraying it off the wheels. Some of those little annoying black dots started to disappear. 'Hey, maybe this does work'.

    Then I got to the sidebars and my jaw nearly had to be picked up off the floor. To think that, only a couple of weeks ago, I was looking at sidebars for a couple of hundred euro to get them fitted because these ones were so badly 'damaged'. All those black specs of dirt that I couldn't get off for the life of me when cleaning (and believe me, I scrubbed the sidebars on this yoke every time i cleaned it!).

    A quick rinse of the side bars after the tar cleanse and my side bars looked absolutely fantastic. They were like brand new bars (well, slight exaggeration). I went again, for round 2 on them, and got rid of more tar deposits. Tomorrow I'm going to go in for round 3 and try to clean them altogether (the amount of times I have to do this might help give an indication with regards to just how bad the tar had gotten to the sidebars!).

    I was shocked. TarCleanse has now become, not only the product that inadvertently paid for my entire DetailingShed order two or three times over (new bars were working out ~€400-€500), it's also quickly become my single favourite product. The tar just melted away with it. Cant wait for rounds 3 and 4 tomorrow to try and get them looking new again!

    Highly recommend it. It's an amazing product!


    After this, i moved on to the Ironcleanse which didn't really do a whole lot that I could see. I didn't use this on the car itself (don't ask me why, but for some reason i opted against it.. maybe I should have?!) I only put it on the wheels. Wheels looked a tad cleaner after it, but can't put my finger on what it did exactly. Maybe if i knew what it was supposed to do i'd have an easier time appreciating it, but as it stands, much as Im sure its a good product, it wouldn't be in my shopping cart again when i make my next order.



    After that, I called it a day and started pulling my hose in. Sun was setting and although my car was gleaming, I wasn't entirely happy that I didn't get a chance to polish or wax it (or claybar, but i dont really know if im looking forward to claying it or not, to be honest).


    So Tomorrow I promised myself I'd get out of bed early, and give myself a good bit of time in which to give the car a quick wash, and then TarCleanse the sidebars and wheels a couple more times (more attention being paid to the side bars than wheels, but the wheels would still benefit with another clean with it).


    Oh, I also used Autosol and some steel wool on the exhaust. I figured this would be the most annoying and 'elbow grease'-inducing part of the clean, but surprisingly enough the autosol is an amazing product also. The dirt on the exhaust just melted away. Took about 2 minutes, but then my steel wool was filthy so i was going around in circles. Another part of the clean that'll get a round 2 tomorrow. Highly recommend autosol and some steel wool for your exhausts. The Rav exhaust isn't shiny (as expected) but still looks a lot better than the charred-black look it had before I started.

    Autosol packaging says don't use on anything with a 'mirror finish'. I'm not sure if thats what the nudge bar is, but I tried it on it anyway. Used a decent amount of product, but ultimately it didn't really do anything. Nudge bar didn't really benefit at all from Autosol.

    Unfortunately, it got dark fast and I barely got started, so I've no photos to share. I will have tomorrow though. Photos of my fingers bleeding. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,920 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    A big aul lump :p

    I vote we all show up at MM's house and demand a gtechniq application day !

    I really hope you don't think it's that easy :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,302 ✭✭✭Supergurrier


    I really hope you don't think it's that easy :eek:

    No I mean a day explaining the application I know multiple cars wouldn't get done :p

    Does seem like an amazing product though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,920 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    No I mean a day explaining the application I know multiple cars wouldn't get done :p

    Does seem like an amazing product though.

    If we had a car that was fully corrected, detarred, clayed, deironized and only needed a quick wash I'm sure we could sort something out but I'm never going to hold something like that at my house.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,729 ✭✭✭✭CianRyan


    If we had a car that was fully corrected, detarred, clayed, deironized and only needed a quick wash I'm sure we could sort something out but I'm never going to hold something like that at my house.

    I'll let you do my MX5 and I'll let you used my house. :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,302 ✭✭✭Supergurrier


    If we had a car that was fully corrected, detarred, clayed, deironized and only needed a quick wash I'm sure we could sort something out but I'm never going to hold something like that at my house.

    Lol I was joking about that part. Maybe if Curran does a detailing day you can show us how its done on a bonnet or something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    Is there a specific glove that people use when cleaning the car, as KKV said above they come in handy and for some products it actually says to wear protection, and my hands do get very dry and cracked after washing the car.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,690 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Get a box of gloves in your auto factor like the surgical ones for 6.99


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,920 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    You can get the surgical gloves in either a pharmacy or from a veterinary clinic. It's also a good idea to wear a face mask when you're spraying the likes of wheel cleaner, degreaser, tar remover, iron cleanser etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,302 ✭✭✭Supergurrier


    vectra wrote: »
    Get a box of gloves in your auto factor like the surgical ones for 6.99

    Micksgarage do these


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    Lol I was joking about that part. Maybe if Curran does a detailing day you can show us how its done on a bonnet or something.

    Seeing as you'd be at the detailing day, do you think he'd be able to show you how to use it!! :p:D

    Thing is; with a coating such as gtechiq, is that the car has to be FULLY prep'd. And thats including correction work. if there was defects in the paint and this is applied and they were noticed after, the only way to remove the coating is machine polishing and thats before getting down to the level of the paint to correct it. Its not a product that you lash on and if you arent happy with, that you strip back with APC or a quick clay.
    Certain products with excellent durability also need to be applied in a controlled environment. ..they dont bond well on cool or moisture...some, to reach their potential and following the application instructions, have be applied in a toasty 20 degress for 12 hours to bond....if not theres a good chance the coating wont last the recommended duration.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    After this, i moved on to the Ironcleanse which didn't really do a whole lot that I could see. I didn't use this on the car itself (don't ask me why, but for some reason i opted against it.. maybe I should have?!) I only put it on the wheels. Wheels looked a tad cleaner after it, but can't put my finger on what it did exactly. Maybe if i knew what it was supposed to do i'd have an easier time appreciating it, but as it stands, much as Im sure its a good product, it wouldn't be in my shopping cart again when i make my next order.

    You've made a good start.

    To be honest, Im surprised that you weren't impressed by Iron Cleanse - its one of the most impressive products Ive used. I wonder are you leaving it on long enough for it to do its work. Should be leaving it 5 mins plus, provided its not in direct sun light, as in during the summer. It should start to change colour with it comes in contact with contamination. Iron Cleanse is far more like a gel, than any other fallout remover, which means that it doesnt bleed as quickly as others, but this means its sitting in place doing its thing, before gravity takes over and makes it run.

    This might give you a better idea....



    As the Rav is black, you'll run into the same kind of problem when using it on the paint work...as it will be difficult to see it reacting. One sure way to demonstrate how well it work is....wash a panel on the car, say the bonnet, then apply Iron Cleanse to one half of the panel. Rinse it down after 5-7 mins. Then take a piece of clay, and clay one of the sections, and then the other. On the area that hasnt been decontaminated with Iron Cleanse, you should notice that its not as easy to clay. The surface will feel far more gritty, and you might even be able to hear a light scratching sound....that will be the iron in the paint getting pulled out by the clay bar...this in turn is very microscopically scratching your paint work, not enough to do major damage, a light polish would remove it, but I'm a believer in prevention is better than cure...and if you are not doing any polishing afterwards, perhaps preparing the paintwork for a fresh application of wax or sealant, then I'd strongly advice it.
    If you know someone with a silver or white car, and better if it has performance brakes, try a small bit on the back of their car. You'll see the bleeding and the exact spots where the iron is bonded. This is an example of how it might look if you got a car with very high mileage that never had it done, or if someone was driving their car when their pads were fully worn!

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  • Posts: 14,266 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well it could indeed be a case that I just genuinely have no idea how to properly apply it, or didnt let it sit long enough, but I'll try again.

    My plan today is out the window as the weather isn't in agreement with my car clean plans. Extremely windy and heavy shower here and there. My car is generally parked outdoors (a driveway), and Im guessing the weather was pretty bad last night, cos it's back to being filthy again, already. and I mean filthy. I'm shocked at how dirty it's gotten, so quickly.


    I must do a quick clean on a nice day sometime, and then head into a multistorey car park to finish the job. I know the lads working in one of the car parks nearby, so I'll do it there if they don't mind. Don't have any other interiors I can use (off the top of my head, anyway).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭toastedpickles


    Black cars a nightmare to keep clean to be honest :(


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  • Posts: 14,266 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah I've noticed it's not exactly a whole heap of fun.

    I've had my cleaning gear for the guts of a week now (since Monday) and I've barely gotten near the car with it (in fairness, i did get to use the tar and iron cleanses, and the autosol stuff, so im happy enough with that, but it's the polishing and waxing that I want to get into with it).


    What do ye guys do in poor weather? I can wash the car outside and then bring it into a multistorey for the polish onwards (polish, wax) but i can't really use water in a car park (no access to water, though if i had im sure the local lads would let me clean it on the top floor/roof anyway).

    So what I can currently do is give the car the wash up to the point of claybar involvement, rinse the car down after claybar, then drive it to the car park and polish and wax in there, but im not sure if bringing the car on the road mid-wash makes the process as a whole a bit redundant. The car park would be a solid 5-6 minute drive away on fairly busy roads with start/stop traffic (so if the road is wet...).


    I have a shed in my back garden that I can park the car in, but it's half kitted out as a home gym.. I'm gonna take a look later on and see if i can squeeze the gym stuff down into the corner (without the exercise gear i could fit the car with space to walk around it, but with the gym gear, i can only get to one side of the car as it is).


    All very annoying. Just wish I had a couple of million euro to build a purpose-built state of the art detailing garage (complete with typical millionaire's accessories, like buckets of cash and naked female mechanics, etc.). Would make the process a lot easier. :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    James on here has a savage tent or gazebo that he used when he cleaned my sister in-laws car! But it would probably be worth having something more permanent I guess!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,690 ✭✭✭✭vectra



    What do ye guys do in poor weather?

    I have no other option only detail my car outdoors.
    "Watch the weather" and run when it looks fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,719 ✭✭✭Hal1


    Grand day out there this morning. No excuses :p.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭JAMES VTI S


    Mc Love wrote: »
    James on here has a savage tent or gazebo that he used when he cleaned my sister in-laws car! But it would probably be worth having something more permanent I guess!


    Sure do 20ft X 10ft popup gazebo, has side wall a door .................... :D................ and a window :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,864 ✭✭✭stimpson


    I meant to do a post of this last week. I had a buyer coming up to see the CRX and I had about an hour of daylight to work in. The missus has been driving the CRX for the past few months, so I hadn't given her a proper wash in a while. As time was short, I had to break a few rules...

    First, I used Iron Cleanse on the alloys at max dilution (1:1). While that was doing it's thing I gave the inside a quick hoover. then the alloys got some agitation with a wheel brush. I mixed some snow foam solution in a spray bottle at 5:1 dilution and sprayed that all over the car (a tip I'd read about on the Valet Pro website). I got one bucket of water (no time to fill two!) and a mitt and gave the body a once over.

    Out came the Nilfisk and I rinsed the wheels - took seconds and the wheels were absolutely perfect (the rears had some weird red fallout on them - all gone!). They have chrome rims and they came up with a mirror finish. Then I rinsed the rest of the car and the advantages of polishing and waxing became apparent - nice and shiny, even a bit of beading on the bonnet. Nice.

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    I didn't want to risk my microfiber towel as the car may not have been 100% clean, so I gave it a spray of Demon Shine (in the garage for when I'm feeling lazy) and took it for a spin. Result. The last pic here was taken as the light was fading. They're not water spots - just grain from the low light.

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    Time taken, start to finish - 50 minutes :)

    But the new owner posted this on cr-x.org last week:

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  • Posts: 14,266 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It fits! It fits!


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    Well, I knew it would fit, but I didn't think there'd actually be any space to move around it (and there's a crappy home gym set up in front of it with another 6-7 feet to move forward if i compacted it down a bit... but it was the width i was concerned about, really).


    Take that, Nature: You ignorant, car hating, motherfu... Well actually, maybe that's not the Christmas spirit! :o

    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,729 ✭✭✭✭CianRyan


    Excellent for detailing, you lucky fecker!

    You gonna keep it in at night?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 635 ✭✭✭BillJ


    Deadly set up you have there. Except now we'll be expecting daily updates regardless of rain snow or sleet :P


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭JAMES VTI S


    Nice N Cosy


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