The Hazards of Belief

kylith · 02-12-2013 03:12PM

biko wrote: »

I like it, seems Francis is more and more like Dalai Lama.

I just can't buy it. He seems too good to be true, I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Cabaal · 02-12-2013 05:17PM

robindch wrote: »

Obamacare up before the Supreme Court again - this time, religious people are claiming that companies which they control have a (newly established) corporate right to "the free exercise of religion". Specifically, they're claiming that any employee health insurance which is funded by a company can, if the company's decision makers wish, conform to any of their religious beliefs.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/26/opinion/wydra-supreme-court-obamacare/

Hang on,
So if you were working for a jehovah witness who owned a company that could technically mean you could be denied a blood transfusion thats covered by the policy?
:eek:

Brian Shanahan · 02-12-2013 07:46PM

robindch wrote: »

Pope Frank says "Ideological Christians Have An 'Illness'"

So all christians are a bit touched in the head, then?

Nice to have a pope finally admit his unfaith.

PopePalpatine · 02-12-2013 08:10PM

I think a few posters can remember me posting a few days ago about a anti-premarital sex group coming to NUI Maynooth. I've had a look at their fliers, and...f*cking hell, if only I challenged their bull****.

The low point is easily the one about how a girl dresses may be a "temptation" for her boyfriend. It's not much to assume that these pricks believe that bullsh*t about rape victims "asking for it".

recedite · 02-12-2013 08:18PM

I suspect he has bumped into quite a few people there in the Vatican who he thinks don't disguise their "unfaith" as much as they should.

The Holy Father warned: “When a Christian does not pray, this happens. And his witness is an arrogant witness.” He who does not pray is “arrogant, is proud, is sure of himself. He is not humble. He seeks his own advancement.”
...“These do not pray, abandoning the faith and transforming it into moralistic, casuistic ideology, without Jesus.

I'd say there are two types of people there. Those that believe their own $hite and those that don't.
But I do like the way he ends sentences with the word "eh", even if their content is usually just jibber jabber eh?

Sulla Felix · 02-12-2013 08:43PM

biko wrote: »

I like it, seems Francis is more and more like Dalai Lama.

Eh, when someone can hand over a cheque and get inducted into the College of Cardinals, he'll be like the Dalai Lama, he's not that bad yet.

recedite · 02-12-2013 08:59PM

robindch wrote: »

religious people are claiming that companies which they control have a (newly established) corporate right to "the free exercise of religion"

This seems correct, bearing in mind that the whole point of a corporation or a limited company is that it is a legal "person" which can have all the legal functions and responsibilities of an actual human person.

I think this will hinge on whether the religion of the corporation is explicitly stated in the articles of association. If not, it would have to be assumed to be atheist or agnostic, regardless of the views of the owners.
You can have a company with a religious stance eg. Veritas which only sells books that correspond to their religious viewpoint.

Even then the corporation would not be able to renege on any healthcare provisions that were statutory. It would be similar to the way a sole trader has to comply with the law despite their personal stance, for example by not refusing whatever the service is to gay people.
Its an interesting development alright, it could lead to lots of companies being formed or "born into" a particular religion, just like people.

recedite · 02-12-2013 09:03PM

Sulla Felix wrote: »

Eh, when someone can hand over a cheque and get inducted into the College of Cardinals,

Eh, what do you mean, eh?

Obliq · 02-12-2013 09:09PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I think a few posters can remember me posting a few days ago about a anti-premarital sex group coming to NUI Maynooth. I've had a look at their fliers, and...f*cking hell, if only I challenged their bull****.

The low point is easily the one about how a girl dresses may be a "temptation" for her boyfriend. It's not much to assume that these pricks believe that bullsh*t about rape victims "asking for it".

Ah, don't beat yourself up over it PP. They're a dying breed, and some of them we can assist towards their doom through thorough questioning - others have to plod over the line, hopefully knowing in their last breaths how F*CKED UP it is to be that judgmental.

Sulla Felix · 02-12-2013 09:18PM

recedite wrote: »

Eh, what do you mean, eh?

Off the top of my head, Steven Seagal was recognized as a tulku, totally not related to his hefty donations to the war chest of Tenzin Gyatsu. He really, really is a reincarnated Buddhist Lama you see. Really.

recedite · 02-12-2013 09:54PM

The things you learn on this forum!
I knew he was a bit of a ninja, but I'd never even heard of a tulku.
Seems legit though, here's the statement from His Holiness Penor Rinpoche who "recognised" Seagal for what he is

Unfortunately H.H. Rinpoche seems to have died in May of this year, and is currently awaiting reincarnation. But if anyone cares to click on the "make a donation" button on his website here, and then follows that up with doing the wild thing later that night, they could well be in with a chance of becoming the proud parent of their very own little darling tulku in 9 months time, eh?

Hotblack Desiato · 03-12-2013 01:05AM

kylith wrote: »

I just can't buy it. He seems too good to be true, I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/in-the-steps-of-st-francis-1.1612264

The pope wishes to move the Catholic church away from a narrow preoccupation with some areas of continuing controversy – relating to sex and marriage – and towards a broader concern about issues of inequality and social justice. His primary focus is on the poor; on bringing the church closer to them so that it may be evangelised by the poor and inspired by their suffering.

NB this doesn't involve any change whatsoever in doctrine - just basically keeping more quiet about the less popular stuff about sexual morality and all that.

If Pope Francis has surpassed the expectations of many to date, he has so far disappointed in just one regard. Clerical sex abuse remains the great stain on the Catholic church’s character. How Francis deals with it will define his papacy.

^ This.
All the rest about how the church must be more humble, support the poor etc. is just waffle as long as this remains unaddressed.

Nodin · 03-12-2013 06:36PM

Gentile sperm leads to "negative genetic traits that characterize non-Jews."

"On the subject of women who freeze their eggs to use at a later date, the rabbi asserted that instead they should concentrate their efforts on getting married younger. "

"If a child is born without a father, he cannot be 100% normal." He stated that rabbinical literature defines these kids as "criminals and subjects of other negative phenomena."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4006385,00.html

Sarky · 03-12-2013 07:06PM

Nodin wrote: »

Gentile sperm leads to "negative genetic traits that characterize non-Jews."

A Jewish rabbi going on about racial purity is just... I don't even

obplayer · 03-12-2013 07:10PM

kylith wrote: »

I just can't buy it. He seems too good to be true, I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop.

I very much hope I'm wrong but I keep waiting for the assassin's bomb or bullet to 'drop'. He must have scared an awful lot of vested interests by now.

Bannasidhe · 03-12-2013 07:17PM

obplayer wrote: »

I very much hope I'm wrong but I keep waiting for the assassin's bomb or bullet to 'drop'. He must have scared an awful lot of vested interests by now.

You mean like ol John Paul I...allegedly....

Delirium · 03-12-2013 07:51PM

Not having your child taking part in a religious field trip and your child may get a "racial discrimination" note put on the schooling record.

A head teacher has apologised for sending parents a letter saying a "racial discrimination" note would be added to their child's education record if they did not go on a religious trip.

Pupils from Littleton Green Community School, Cannock, were expected to go to Staffordshire University to "learn about different cultures".

A letter to parents said it was a "statutory requirement".

But the school has now asked parents to "disregard a section" of the letter

Letters sent to parents said children would get a 'racial discrimination' mark if they did not go on the trip, where they would have the "opportunity to explore other religions".

They would look at "religious artefacts", the letter said, but would not be "partaking in any religious practices".

Full story here

Sulla Felix · 03-12-2013 08:22PM

While the school has been singularly cack handed in going about this, I actually agree with the overall purpose of exposing children to the many and diametrically opposed religions out there. In at least some of them, something will go "click" when they see you can't reconcile a caring, loving god with the fact that a hefty majority of the worlds' population doesn't believe in the local flavour.

03-12-2013 09:58PM

Comic Sans was my first clue.

Sarky · 03-12-2013 10:27PM

Comic Saaaaaaaaaaans!

<shakes fist>

Hotblack Desiato · 03-12-2013 11:54PM

koth wrote: »

Not having your child taking part in a religious field trip and your child may get a "racial discrimination" note put on the schooling record.

Hmm so if parents and school don't see eye to eye on something (doesn't matter what), the school can attach a permanent black mark to the child's record.

Classy.

Turtwig · 04-12-2013 12:02AM

Sarky wrote: »

Comic Saaaaaaaaaaans!

<shakes fist>

Hey CERN used Comic Sans. SO.SHUT.TEH.FCK.UP!Q

Genghiz Cohen · 04-12-2013 12:39PM

Jernal wrote: »

Hey CERN used Comic Sans. SO.SHUT.TEH.FCK.UP!Q

Argument from Authority.

I really expected better Jernal.

norrie rugger · 04-12-2013 12:40PM

Sulla Felix wrote: »

While the school has been singularly cack handed in going about this, I actually agree with the overall purpose of exposing children to the many and diametrically opposed religions out there. In at least some of them, something will go "click" when they see you can't reconcile a caring, loving god with the fact that a hefty majority of the worlds' population doesn't believe in the local flavour.

Or just tell them, at home, that it is all bollocks and not have authority figures demonstrating that, at least one, religion is correct/acceptable

Sarky · 04-12-2013 02:21PM

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

Argument from Authority.

I really expected better Jernal.

Not wishing to defend the lad, but Jernal WAS trying to get J C to see some sense earlier. It was probably just a symptom of the posting equivalent of beating your head against a wall of ignorance. And spikes. Spikes of dishonesty. Or something.

Turtwig · 04-12-2013 04:01PM

Sarky wrote: »

Not wishing to defend the lad, but Jernal WAS trying to get J C to see some sense earlier. It was probably just a symptom of the posting equivalent of beating your head against a wall of ignorance. And spikes. Spikes of dishonesty. Or something.

Brian Shanahan · 04-12-2013 07:19PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I think a few posters can remember me posting a few days ago about a anti-premarital sex group coming to NUI Maynooth. I've had a look at their fliers, and...f*cking hell, if only I challenged their bull****.

The low point is easily the one about how a girl dresses may be a "temptation" for her boyfriend. It's not much to assume that these pricks believe that bullsh*t about rape victims "asking for it".

I love the way the say "lust is still a capital sin" for the wimmins, despite capital punishment being expressly forbidden by our constitution:

Article 15.5.2 wrote:

The Oireachtas shall not enact any law providing for the imposition of the death penalty.

Must mean Ireland is officialy godless.

Brian Shanahan · 04-12-2013 07:24PM

recedite wrote: »

This seems correct, bearing in mind that the whole point of a corporation or a limited company is that it is a legal "person" which can have all the legal functions and responsibilities of an actual human person.

But only in certain limited cases, mostly to do with commercial matters, and representation in court over those matters of which they are deemed to have personhood.

For example (outside the soverign City of London) no company can become a citizen of a state, nor can one ever be considered to have been murdered.

In a country with a sane judiciary no court would consider a challenge saying corporations have freedom of religion to be anything other than "frivolous and vexatious". Given that this doesn't apply to the USA however they may get access to that right.

endacl · 06-12-2013 02:35AM

ninja900 wrote: »

Hmm so if parents and school don't see eye to eye on something (doesn't matter what), the school can attach a permanent black mark to the child's record.

Classy.

Reminded me of this classic from 27bslash6. I've included the intro, to tempt ye to enjoy the most excellent email exchange between a parent and school jebusnut regarding a permission slip to see a play about "a levitating rabbit about to drop an egg on Jesus".

http://www.27bslash6.com/easter.html
Darryl. The kind of friend Jesus would have.

While preaching is not allowed in Australian public schools, it is apparently fine to replace school counsellors with 'Christian Volunteers' such as Darryl.
A few years ago, the government realised that they could hand over school counselling roles to a willing Christian church without having to pay for the privilege. Now almost half of Australian public schools have a Christian volunteer as a full time member of the school community with parents having no direct control of how much their children are exposed to.
Although usually an advocate of people being entitled to their opinions, sexual preferences and beliefs, I seem to have developed some form of mental glitch that makes me want to punch Daryl's fat head.

robindch · 06-12-2013 09:55AM

Two German conspiracy theorist douchebags break into the Great Pyramid and make off with some "samples" to "prove" that it's 20,000 years old.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/world-travel/two-german-students-have-vandalised-part-of-the-pyramid-of-khufu-to-help-prove-their-lost-civilisation-theory/story-e6frfqc0-1226771863820

If Egypt weren't in a state of chassis, the two should be extradited as soon as possible to face whatever music the Egyptians might wish to play.

The Hazards of Belief

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