When are those lights going to be banned.

timmy4u2 · 02-12-2013 10:24PM

This guy had something to say about them a long time ago
http://www.escrs.org/eurotimes/april2003/high.asp

challengemaster · 02-12-2013 10:25PM

dingus12 wrote: »

What happens when a honda integra dc5 goes for the nct test? They have factory fitted hid's but no auto leveling or washers.

What happens in the UK when jap cars go for their MOT without rear fog lights? They have to fix the problem, and install their own.

Not going to happen here, of course, because I doubt the NCT rule will ever fully be implemented.

Tropheus · 02-12-2013 10:32PM

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Are these different/same as night breakers, as was considering getting a pair of them (night breakers).

No, night breakers are halogen bulbs with a higher output. They are not HIDs - High Intensity Discharge which is a complete different system.

Night Breakers are good, but don't last as long as standard bulbs. What burns brighter generally fails quicker.

Tropheus · 02-12-2013 10:35PM

challengemaster wrote: »

What happens in the UK when jap cars go for their MOT without rear fog lights? They have to fix the problem, and install their own.

Not going to happen here, of course, because I doubt the NCT rule will ever fully be implemented.

They don't even check rear fog lights in the NCT. Noticed mine wasn't working and I went to replace the bulb. Turned out it wasn't the bulb, but had been disconnected when the liner of the rear door was replaced and wasn't reconnected. I reckon they weren't working for about 4 years and went through the NCT twice in that time with no issues.

Dangerous I know. The amount of times I thought I was using them. Like on those clear nights when I really want to pi$$ off other drivers on the M50.;)

delthedriver · 02-12-2013 11:27PM

Lights are better than no lights!

It is shocking to travel our roads and see the numbers of cars , and trucks with faulty lights or only one light working.

Have the Garda Traffic Corps been disbanded?

Mister Man · 02-12-2013 11:35PM

I put a set of HID's into my car the other week. They're the normal white light ones, instead of the blue tint ones. Only in the headlights, so it's not effecting anyone really. The standard ones were terrible, and it was a cheap enough add-on.
I haven't noticed, or been bothered by anyone with them before though. I do find large vehicles (4x4's) can be blinding, which I assume is more so down to them installed the HID kit and not getting them aligned

Greenmachine · 03-12-2013 12:07AM

Are these the iridium bulbs.

Stinicker · 03-12-2013 12:18AM

If a bulb blows does it cause the remaining bulb to be brighter? I have met several cars recently with a blown headlight and then 1 really really bright light invariably focused directly into the back of my retina. I firmly believe there should be 3 penalty points for using foglights when there is no fog and also for defective lights. Outsource it and the company enforcing it would make a fortune and make the GoSafe revenue collecting vans look like small fry. Irish people are seriosuly thick and ignorant when it comes to foglights either fine the heck out of people or just enact legislation banning front foglights in new cars so they'd eventually die out.

yop · 03-12-2013 12:18AM

Ah, thought I was getting old but had someone with a set behind me this morning from Headford to Galway and it was incredibly annoying.
Are they of any benefit to the driver or are they just the lights equivalent of German plates?

dodderangler · 03-12-2013 12:23AM

Rather see the gobsh1tes with their foglights taken care of first

yop · 03-12-2013 12:42AM

dodderangler wrote: »

Rather see the gobsh1tes with their foglights taken care of first

Fogs are bad but not blinding like them blue torches. :P

Celly Smunt · 03-12-2013 12:47AM

yop wrote: »

Ah, thought I was getting old but had someone with a set behind me this morning from Headford to Galway and it was incredibly annoying.
Are they of any benefit to the driver or are they just the lights equivalent of German plates?

Did you not hear?,german plates make your car more reliable and give better performance.German engineering and all that jazz.

And they can double the performance of non-german cars.

bazz26 · 03-12-2013 01:18AM

Blinding blue or white headlights seem to be the modern day version of go faster stripes. Them now and the rear flickering led number plate lights.

Interslice · 03-12-2013 02:13AM

yop wrote: »

Ah, thought I was getting old but had someone with a set behind me this morning from Headford to Galway and it was incredibly annoying.
Are they of any benefit to the driver or are they just the lights equivalent of German plates?

I'm pretty sure the lad tailgating me last week couldn't overtake because of the glare off the back of my white van, and it's far from clean:o.

I posted this earlier but just to explain.

Factory xenon - sound

Factory halogen - sound, (not a foglight, it's a spotlamp)

Our xenon in a xenon headlamp - irritating, particularly if headlight alignment is out or if the angle of the road ahead means they are naturally pointing at you. I'll get over it though.

Our xenon in a halogen spotlamp - fcuking wakner :mad:, This applies double if you also have halogen headlights with xenon's(HID's) fitted.

03-12-2013 06:13AM

Most of new cars have factory fitted Hid, but must be on projector lens !!

03-12-2013 06:14AM

Most of new cars have factory fitted Hid, but must be on projector lens !!

timmy4u2 · 03-12-2013 10:58AM

Stinicker wrote: »

If a bulb blows does it cause the remaining bulb to be brighter? I have met several cars recently with a blown headlight and then 1 really really bright light invariably focused directly into the back of my retina. I firmly believe there should be 3 penalty points for using foglights when there is no fog and also for defective lights. Outsource it and the company enforcing it would make a fortune and make the GoSafe revenue collecting vans look like small fry. Irish people are seriosuly thick and ignorant when it comes to foglights either fine the heck out of people or just enact legislation banning front foglights in new cars so they'd eventually die out.

It used to happen in the 1950's when dynamos were inadequate; battery capacity was low and one wire, from one of the cars two fuses, carried the power to the headlamps.

The law on foglamps is very clear; use only in fog, falling snow, heavy rain... and if centre of light is more than 500mm from the ground they are regarded as auxiliary lights and have to be fitted so that they extinguish when main lights are dipped.

jimgoose · 03-12-2013 11:16AM

Aftermarket HID lamps are complete arse, a waste of money, a dangerous irritant to other road users, and usually illegal. Most gawbeens don't seem to know that in order to use these bulbs you also need different lenses and reflectors, in short a whole different headlight unit. Newer yokes that have these as standard are of course OK. Kids, if you want to improve your headlights, do this:

* Break out the toothpaste (seriously!) and give your lenses a good cleaning.

* Fit Osram Night-Breaker bulbs.

* Get the 'lamps correctly aligned.

ottostreet · 03-12-2013 11:18AM

I have HID dipped beams as standard on a 97.

Reflector units though, so nice and focussed...

keithsfleet · 03-12-2013 11:21AM

ottostreet wrote: »

I have HID dipped beams as standard on a 97.

Reflector units though, so nice and focussed...

Think You mean projector lens and not reflector..

I'm not familiar of any cars having used HID on reflector units as factory. If they are factory it will have the representing markings on the casing of the unit glass/plastic

Alun · 03-12-2013 11:29AM

jimgoose wrote: »

Kids, if you want to improve your headlights, do this:
* Break out the toothpaste (seriously!) and give your lenses a good cleaning.
* Fit Osram Night-Breaker bulbs.
* Get the 'lamps correctly aligned.

This ^^^

Especially the cleaning the headlight lens part. I did this recently to my wife's '00 Yaris after she complained about the lights not being very good, and the difference was astounding. You really don't realise how bad they have become by just looking at them, but clean one of them and compare it to the other and you can see an absolutely massive difference immediately. I actually used some very fine wet and dry with lots of water initially, and the bucket I was using was filthy once I'd finished that stage. Finished off with some cutting compound and a coat of wax, job done.

I'd also add to that list, "Make sure you actually have the bulb in properly." It's so easy to have them in slightly wonky so that the bulb is at a slight angle. Getting the alignment right in that case is pretty much impossible.

ottostreet · 03-12-2013 12:03PM

keithsfleet wrote: »

Think You mean projector lens and not reflector..

I'm not familiar of any cars having used HID on reflector units as factory. If they are factory it will have the representing markings on the casing of the unit glass/plastic

Yep...projector. I'm getting silly things mixed up today.

pcardin · 03-12-2013 12:28PM

delthedriver wrote: »

Lights are better than no lights!

It is shocking to travel our roads and see the numbers of cars , and trucks with faulty lights or only one light working.

Have the Garda Traffic Corps been disbanded?

Have to agree on this. I vould rather vote for shooting eejits driving with no lights at at all than someone with HID's in reflector headlights. Last night was driving behind a tool in '09 civic with no lights at all at 9pm. :eek: Other drivers flashing to him but he didn't seem to bother. dashboard all light up nicely is the only lights he cares apparently.

As for HID. My e36 has them. 4300k. Allthough e36 headlight has projector lense in them. Adjusted as should. Passed NCT yesterday.

woody33 · 03-12-2013 01:16PM

It's amazing the number of older Yaris cars with practically opaque headlights.

Mycroft H · 03-12-2013 02:12PM

And Clios.

flutered · 03-12-2013 02:22PM

nothing is worse than the car with no light on the drivers side, it takes a while to figure out it is not a motorbike.

vibe666 · 03-12-2013 02:34PM

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Are these different/same as night breakers, as was considering getting a pair of them (night breakers).

nightbreakers are great and don't dazzle oncoming drivers at all based on my experience of having two sets of them as I was never 'flashed' by oncoming cars at all the whole time I had them, even though they were pretty high up in a pajero, which used to happen with my previous higher powered bulbs quite a lot.

they do wonders for visibility at the longer range without being overly bright (and by overly i mean too bright) on closer objects. they also give off a much more natural light that regular halogens (much closer to HID's), but as has been said, they will tend to burn out more quickly than regular bulbs as a result.

having said that, the newer nightbreakers do claim a significantly longer bulb life than the older ones i had. highly recommended anyway.

i've got projector HID's in the new motor now, but I was thinking of getting another set of nightbreakers for the high beams and another set for the missus s40, as the current bulbs in it don't seem all that bright.

03-12-2013 03:02PM

keithsfleet wrote: »

Think You mean projector lens and not reflector..

I'm not familiar of any cars having used HID on reflector units as factory. If they are factory it will have the representing markings on the casing of the unit glass/plastic

Merc E W210 and S class W140 and W220, VW Passat B5 had HIDs with reflector lenses as standard. I'm sure there are others too.

the_syco · 03-12-2013 03:32PM

fryup wrote: »

its hard to tell if there on full or dim

Have met a few on the road. I leave my full beams on, and/or flash my full beams, only to get a "flash" of a lesser bright light where their full beams should be. In essence, their full beams would be weaker than what should be their dipped beams!

Nearly as bad as the muppets driving with parking lights and fog lights! :mad:

Stinicker wrote: »

If a bulb blows does it cause the remaining bulb to be brighter?

Pretty sure they don't, but I think the driver uses their full beams to compensate their lack of a second light?

H3llR4iser · 03-12-2013 04:09PM

Amazingly, I'm not sure I ever encountered any driver with these specific lights; Then again, 4 cars of of 5 usually bind me big time driving in the Cork area - either all of them drive with their full beams always on, or nobody really cares about aligning their lights. I actually noticed a trend towards the increase of the phenomena in the last year or so.

On a separate note, what about LED bulbs, like an H7 but made of a matrix of LEDs? Will they mistake it for HID in the NCT?

When are those lights going to be banned.

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