Haddington Road Discussion ASTI/TUI/Non Union at Second Level

It is in the Education Act 98 as well. We are technically contracted until the end of June and go on holidays at the discretion of the Principal in the month of June. This is technically the law.

Two more S and S classes done this week plus a 15min slot on Thursday morning. They are mounting up fast at a rate of two minimum a week. A department colleague of mine who was also not doing S and S previously did THREE classes this week.
We (TUI) have been informed that we have to at least work the agreement until January before the option of paying not to do the work is available. NO mention at all of what would become of the hours already worked if you do opt out. What a Joke.
The only way forward is under ONE united Union even if it is one of Second Level Teachers only. Give them back their 33 hours, refuse S and S unless its paid and you want to do it, take a pay cut if you have to but wipe the slate clean and start afresh and that includes the joke that will be the new JC.

He ain't no red ....maybe a smoked salmon orangey pink .I don't know how ANY of the Labour TDs sleep at night between guilt and knowing what the electorate will do to them in next election .Of course Quinn , Howlin ,Rabbitte and Gilmore are all suspiciously close to retirement age and genuine gilt edged pensions - as opposed to those mislabelled as such eg teachers' , ESB workers' etc ....
Setting up a new union is too slow and complicated a process to be relevant here I fear , desirable and all as it may be .

Quitting union is our last nuclear option if this goes wrong (Yes vote)as far as I can see.

Just heard Brendan Howlin on the news saying FEMPI will be gotten rid of in the near future. Its emergency legislation so must go when the emergency is over. This is great news for us and another reason to vote no.

teacherhead wrote: »

while there is no option to opt out until January, the information I have from tui is that where a teacher indicates that they will opt out at that stage that they shouldn't be required to deliver any s&s and that any hours already delivered should be offset against croke park hours.

this is also on the tui website.

That's different to what we have been told. Our present DP has been involved in the Union all career and would be well known (I dont want to identify the person specifically) and assured us that we had to continue to work the hours until a Circular Letter was issued allowing withdrawal from the scheme.

rafared wrote: »

An therein lies an issue at the core of our problems. We have two Unions who represent us and neither are worth a dam.

I both agree and disagree rafared. I would agree that neither union leader is worth a damn and I'd go further and say that they,along with Sheila Noonan,seem to have a vested interest in getting their members into HR. That,in itself is a disgrace. I carefully followed the INTO facebook page in the lead up to their ballot in June, and many were bitterly angry at the tactics of INTO officials and were calling for the removal of Noonan. The facebook page was pulled after HR was accepted and that's the last I heard of them getting rid of Sheila Noonan. Which leads me to wonder why this betrayal from the leadership should be tolerated in any union. Is that more of our typical Paddy defeatism? Seems like it to me.

But I disagree with you in so far as I think our [ASTI] CEC have done a very good job at gauging the pulse of the members and representing our interests accrdingly. If your CEC had only recommended No,we'd propably all be standing together now and there is definitely strength in numbers.

Meanwhile, the enforced S&S sounds like penal servitude. Fair play to you for describing exactly how it is and I hope such accounts help secure another ASTI no.

Labour are finished...............Gilmore has been finished for a long long time ,now his only hope of extracting votes for his party is to pension off Ruairí and Rabbitte.Hope the electorate is not foolish enough to believe a word he is saying.
Perhaps all teachers should have their salaries topped up by using the tuck shop profits!

Ruairi has resumed the threats. . . It must have been an awful pain in the arse waiting for the Labour Party conference to be over.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/teachers-could-be-first-public-servants-to-lose-jobs-29800708.html

They're really showing their true colours now the tramps .We'll show them!

Yup going straight back 2mw....big fat NO!

rafared wrote: »

I'm sure at this stage that people are sick of hearing it but I had another 9 classes today. We had 12.....yes 12 people out.
That makes it 3 days in a row with a sub class.....last Thurs and Fri and Today. It also means for 3 consecutive Mondays and 3 consecutive Fridays I have had 9 classes. I kid you not.

I'd like to think this was unbelievable but I certainly believe it.

Ironically Haddington Road+Croke Park could end up increasing absenteeism.

How do other TUI members in your school feel?

Obviously they're not happy but are there any YES voters prepared to admit how wrong they were?

You can be sure that those in the upper echelons of the DES (who drafted this part of the HRA) didn't have a Thursday, Friday & Monday like you've described.