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Lostprophets singer admits to being a baby rapist

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  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    carolmon wrote: »
    these were actual quotes about katie blagden and her baby........deny all you like he seems to have gone to no lengths at all to hide what he was.

    No one is denying anything but you're jumping to conclusions. The band most likely knew of the rumours being posted online but they were just rumours. Do you expect everyone to believe what they read online if enough people say its true? The saddest aspect if this case is that the authorities didn't act sooner. Had they investigated early on they may have been able to spare some of the victims but at the same time if they were to act on every online rumour they'd have no time for anything else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    No one is denying anything but you're jumping to conclusions. The band most likely knew of the rumours being posted online but they were just rumours. Do you expect everyone to believe what they read online if enough people say its true? The saddest aspect if this case is that the authorities didn't act sooner. Had they investigated early on they may have been able to spare some of the victims but at the same time if they were to act on every online rumour they'd have no time for anything else.
    He even had it on his twitter profile. Didn't go to any lengths at all


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 616 ✭✭✭carolmon


    No one is denying anything but you're jumping to conclusions. The band most likely knew of the rumours being posted online but they were just rumours. Do you expect everyone to believe what they read online if enough people say its true? The saddest aspect if this case is that the authorities didn't act sooner. Had they investigated early on they may have been able to spare some of the victims but at the same time if they were to act on every online rumour they'd have no time for anything else.

    I agree totally, the authorities have a lot to answer for, they eventually went into his computer after drugs allegations, why couldn't they have done this when the original child abuse allegations were made?

    I'm not blaming the band at all, they are not responsible for his actions and I actually feel sorry for them to be linked in any way with this,
    but I was also pointing out that as these allegations/ rumours were very much out there on the www it's not the same thing as a wife/ colleague etc just finding out about an abuser's actions when there was nothing previous to indicate that there was anything to worry about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,192 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    i am truly glad i've never heard of lostprophet.
    the man got what he deserved. truly inexplicable to be like that.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    Based on what exactly?

    Em, being on tour with the guy for months at a time, sharing a dressing room, being in the same backstage areas, staying in the same hotels (probably in adjacent rooms) etc. I'm sure they also got plenty of similiar offers themselves.


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  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    sabat wrote: »
    Em, being on tour with the guy for months at a time, sharing a dressing room, being in the same backstage areas, staying in the same hotels (probably in adjacent rooms) etc. I'm sure they also got plenty of similiar offers themselves.

    From everything they have said about his behaviour he wasn't exactly someone that spent much time around them. You can share a bed with someone and not know their true nature. People who prey on others generally hide it from the people around them. It's how they can get away with it for so long. Your jumping to conclusions are the mind that have Daily Mail readers burning down homes of paediatricians.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭Dermighty


    The worst part of it all is that when lostprophets played Dublin they never played Shinobi Vs. Dragon Ninja....sick ****s!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    From everything they have said about his behaviour he wasn't exactly someone that spent much time around them.

    Your jumping to conclusions are the mind that have Daily Mail readers burning down homes of paediatricians.

    I'm not jumping to conclusions; it's basic cop-on. He was meeting 13, 14 and 15 year old fans at gigs and shagging them. There's no possible way the band could not have been aware of this. And how could you record several albums and go on world tours with someone and not spend a lot of time around them?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    sabat wrote: »
    I'm not jumping to conclusions; it's basic cop-on. He was meeting 13, 14 and 15 year old fans at gigs and shagging them. There's no possible way the band could not have been aware of this. And how could you record several albums and go on world tours with someone and not spend a lot of time around them?

    Easy enough if you don't like them. He only needed to be around them for sound checks, live shows and traveling when on tour. If they didn't get along none of them would care where he went the rest of the time - which would be most of the day and all of the night


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    sabat wrote: »
    I'm not jumping to conclusions; it's basic cop-on. He was meeting 13, 14 and 15 year old fans at gigs and shagging them. There's no possible way the band could not have been aware of this. And how could you record several albums and go on world tours with someone and not spend a lot of time around them?

    The Eagles recorded and toured together yet could go weeks without talking to one another. They each live separately to the others and the only time they were together was when recording in the studio or on stage. In fact quite a lot of groups were made up of members who had little to do with one another beyond the day job. You are jumping to conclusions and implying that a number of men who may have had no idea what as going on, knew something simply because they worked with Watkins.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭FueledByAisling


    I actually can't get around the fact that people believe the remaining members of the band had anything to do with these vile crimes. It was obvious within recent years that Ian was becoming distant from the group, it was even stated in their latest fb status describing working with him very hard and not one bit enjoyable. A lot of bands out there don't get on and only associate with each other whilst on stage, so it is very easy for Ian to have hidden these actions for so long.

    About two years ago I went to see LP the last time they came here, the whole time I had a really unnerving gut feeling whilst they were on stage. I don't know what it was but Ian's presence was just making me feel really uncomfortable, he was wearing a large trench coat, hiding his face with harsh stage lighting emphasizing the dramatic show but ended up being nothing but creepy.It got to the extent that I abandoned my original plan of hanging around after with a few friends to get a few photos and autographs. Thank god I stuck with my gut and just went home, i would feel ill thinking about having been in Watkin's presence then, not too long before these crimes occured or perhaps around the time they began.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    COYVB wrote: »
    He only needed to be around them for sound checks, live shows and traveling when on tour.

    so pretty much all day, grand so


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Bambi wrote: »
    so pretty much all day, grand so

    Live checks can take just half an hour. He could show up just before the gig begins and leave directly after and he could also travel in his own bus, car or on a seperate flight. The interaction between the rest of the band and him could have been minimal and they may not have do much as said more than a few words to one another a month


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,394 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    The band members have said that their relationship with him had broken down to such an extent due to his drinking and drugs, that they only really saw him on stage. Generally, people dont know alot about their work colleagues. This is clearly no different.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 Wnter


    Ah, I saw them back in 2001 in the Ambassador some NME gig. Was so excited, and got to chat with them for ages afterwards along with loads of other people. I got my photo taken with Ian and couldn't believe what a ride he was. I was 14.

    Ah Jaysus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,347 ✭✭✭✭Grayditch


    Wnter wrote: »
    I got my photo taken with Ian and couldn't believe what a ride he was. I was 14.

    I'd say the feeling was mutual.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,325 ✭✭✭smileyj1987


    What I find funny is the fact people are saying the band should have noticed and deserve to be punished for his actions . If any of them had an idea what was going on then they would had to report it to the police because well they would have accessories to his crimes .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    What I find funny is the fact people are saying the band should have noticed and deserve to be punished for his actions . If any of them had an idea what was going on then they would had to report it to the police because well they would have accessories to his crimes .

    Why did very few people make reports on the goings on at the BBC in the 70s/80s? Many reasons: not wanting to believe it was happening (understandable, especially when it's one of your best mates), fear of not being believed/ending yours and your bandmates careers.

    I'm not saying they did know, but if they did there's plenty of reasons why they might have ignored it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Daqster


    I'm not saying they did know, but if they did there's plenty of reasons why they might have ignored it.

    I'd say there could be a good chance alright that they knew about things maybe happening with groupies who's age might have been questionable or whatever but I seriously doubt they would have one iota of a clue about any of the pedophile related acts which he or the women, were found guilty of committing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,706 ✭✭✭120_Minutes


    Wnter wrote: »
    Ah, I saw them back in 2001 in the Ambassador some NME gig. Was so excited, and got to chat with them for ages afterwards along with loads of other people. I got my photo taken with Ian and couldn't believe what a ride he was. I was 14.

    Ah Jaysus.


    Same here, was there with my then girlfriend who was 18 at the time. Met and chatted them all and they seemed sound, Ian included. The only one we thought was a bit weird was Andrew WK who was also on the same bill.

    I'm no longer in contact with my ex, but I'd say she was shuddering when she heard the news.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    Daqster wrote: »
    I seriously doubt they would have one iota of a clue about any of the pedophile related acts which he or the women, were found guilty of committing.

    I'd tend to agree; however I would wonder if they perhaps suspected something wasn't quite right with him, given how open he appeared to have been about his...."tastes" with a former girlfriend, and the proverbial paper trail of communications between him and the mothers of the babies involved.

    It's like he thought he was bulletproof or something.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    I'd tend to agree; however I would wonder if they perhaps suspected something wasn't quite right with him, given how open he appeared to have been about his...."tastes" with a former girlfriend, and the proverbial paper trail of communications between him and the mothers of the babies involved.

    It's like he thought he was bulletproof or something.

    Tbh I think he was so blatant with jokes and statements about it all that they thought he could only be joking. Like they saw it as a black humour quirk more than anything. And then when allegations arose they kind of said ah well those people obviously just don't get his sense of humour. I think we all know one person who makes really inappropriate jokes (ok obviously not about this) that make us feel uncomfortable and people either awkwardly laugh it off or call them out on it. Pretty much like killers help in the search for the deceased and stuff, they're so blatant you couldn't possibly suspect them kind of thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Daqster


    I'd tend to agree; however I would wonder if they perhaps suspected something..

    I understand you wondering that of course, and also anyone else that does to and who also might be of the opinion that surely his friends must have noticed something. But you know what, the reason (in my opinion at least) that we think this way, is because of the words which are used to describe people who are guilty of doing these things.

    We call them monsters and pronounce them evil and so surely someone would notice if one if their close friends or family members were evil monsters but as hard as it may be to accept, the truth is that these people are not evil and they are not monsters. They are just people. People who may have done evil and monstrous things, sure, but they still people going about everyday mundane tasks like the rest of us and that's why we find it so hard to understand.

    Same with killers. Guy was arrested on my road a few years back and charged with some shootings which were carried out thorough out the previous ten years and yet anytime I ever spoke to him, he couldn't have been nicer. Seemed a cracking dad too and also regularly seen him in Lidl doing the shopping and yet not a shifty move did he ever make but yet, that same guy apparently shot three men in cold blood, one of whom was only 21 years old. Didn't stop him supporting his favourite football team on a Saturday either as he would always wear their kit and say hello as went past on the way to pub to watch them play.

    Point being, God alone knows what people get up to or what makes them do the things they do, or even how much of these things are actually part of of who they are, and if it is, then how much so? A major part? Something that drives them daily? Or just a small part of them and in fact something they struggle with? Answer: no fcuker knows but one thing I do know is that seeing these people as evil inhuman monsters doesn't help us or lead us any closer to preventing further instances of evil acts occurring in our society. In fact if anything, it brings us further away from it.

    Just on this specific case though: my own thoughts here are that this seems to much more about an addiction extreme porn than anything else. I was listening to an interview with his ex just there a few minutes ago and she was saying something quite interesting. She said that he kept showing her videos of some abuse taking place and was staring at her while doing so and that he was clearly more interested in her reaction more than anything else. If that is the case, where would something like that end. What does he show the next woman to get a bigger reaction than showing her a girl. Ask a mother about her daughter? Oh wait.

    Now I know people are gonna say that they mothers made their own decsions and indeed they do, but someone is always leading the charge and I am not saying that to take away responsibility from the women or indeed, lay the blame solely at the man's feet. Trust me, I'm not as I only a few weeks back read the case where a woman from the UK actually advertised online during the same for a man with a daughter, flew to the states to watch him rape her and had told him also that she wanted him to get her pregnant so they could raise a slut together. So, well aware that women can be as fcuked up as men in this regard but in this case, I think Ian was the one instigating abuse, from the information available at least and to me is looks like he was addicted to shocking both himself and other people and thank God he was caught as it was clearly about to get much worse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 Wnter


    Grayditch wrote: »
    I'd say the feeling was mutual.

    Haha EXACTLY. There was me fearing I wasn't old enough... unfortunately, it was the other way around!

    All joking aside, it's a weird thing to hear. I'm reading everywhere that he is on suicide watch... no surprises there.

    Also, hearing about his drug fueled lifestyle... back when we met him he was telling us about how he wasn't a drinker and definitely didn't use drugs. Now look.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭joe stodge


    Same here, was there with my then girlfriend who was 18 at the time. Met and chatted them all and they seemed sound, Ian included. The only one we thought was a bit weird was Andrew WK who was also on the same bill.

    I'm no longer in contact with my ex, but I'd say she was shuddering when she heard the news.
    I was also there, got a hug off Ian, I was 16.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    Tasden wrote: »
    Tbh I think he was so blatant with jokes and statements about it all that they thought he could only be joking. Like they saw it as a black humour quirk more than anything. And then when allegations arose they kind of said ah well those people obviously just don't get his sense of humour. I think we all know one person who makes really inappropriate jokes (ok obviously not about this) that make us feel uncomfortable and people either awkwardly laugh it off or call them out on it. Pretty much like killers help in the search for the deceased and stuff, they're so blatant you couldn't possibly suspect them kind of thing.
    He posted a Tweet in 2009 that must have been viewed by his thousands of followers. At the time it must have looked like a sick joke. It now seems unbelievable he would be so blatant.

    I posted a link to the Tweet the other day but removed it because Ian Watkins had been replying to another Twitter member and I didn't want it to look like that other person was involved. Instead I'll quote what Ian Watkins said:
    I don't drink, just smoke crack and dead babies.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    He posted a Tweet in 2009 that must have been viewed by his thousands of followers. At the time it must have looked like a sick joke. It now seems unbelievable he would be so blatant.

    I posted a link to the Tweet the other day but removed it because Ian Watkins had been replying to another Twitter member and I didn't want it to look like that other person was involved. Instead I'll quote what Ian Watkins said:

    Yeah that'd be the kind of thing that I assume people would think he could only be joking, and so hes just considered to have a sick sense of humour. Then the more blatant/shocking/honest he became the more people brushed it off as attention seeking/strange. The more he admitted things or spoke out about it the more people would assume the rumours only stemmed from that and its almost a double bluff thing going on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,202 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I never heard of the band until this story was in the news, although it seems they were popular as posters here knew of them and went to their concerts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,971 ✭✭✭Holsten


    I was surprised they were still around.

    I like their Shinobi Vs Dragon Ninja song.. that's the only one I've ever heard.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Shinobi vs Dragon Ninja was written by the band as a whole, Watkins provided the lyrics and the rest of the band composed the song. It's probably their most famous song.



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