Experiance / experiance/ EXPERIANCE - everyone need experiance

Igor2155 · 30-11-2013 06:30PM #1

Hi

So I have just basic question I would like to be a bartender or work in sales mainly as a retail person in fashion store, however I have no experience whatsoever but im fast leaerner, whenever I applied they refused me because I have no experience...so my basic question is WHEN and FROM WHO I can get an experience? Its so depressing.

Scar Tissue · 30-11-2013 06:32PM

Experience*

Igor2155 · 30-11-2013 06:33PM

Whatever

Hitchens · 30-11-2013 06:34PM

Igor2155 wrote: »

Hi

So I have just basic question I would like to be a bartender or work in sales mainly as a retail person in fashion store, however I have no experiance whatsoever but im fast leaerner, whenever I applied they refused me because I have no experiance...so my basic question is WHEN and FROM WHO I can get an experiance? Its so depressing.

it's a good question, in fairness

mikemac1 · 30-11-2013 06:34PM

Many a barman started as lounge staff collecting glasses.

No experience needed and in time you'll get behind the bar

Hitchens · 30-11-2013 06:36PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Many a barman started as lounge staff out collecting glasses.

yeah, at 13 or 14 YOA

PlainP · 30-11-2013 06:36PM

Its called an internship you work for free for a set amount of time getting experience....

Igor2155 · 30-11-2013 06:36PM

How young peoples can obtain an experience without a chance?. Working for free its a slavery.

Hitchens · 30-11-2013 06:41PM

at the height of the Celtic Tiger, ISME were lobbying to reduce the minimum wage, ffs

Bepolite · 30-11-2013 07:46PM

Igor2155 wrote: »

How young peoples can obtain an experience without a chance?. Working for free its a slavery.

Firstly you're attitude stinks. I assume its a bit of keyboard bravado but it'll come across in any application you make to a retail/bar manager worth his/her salt. Secondly working in a charity shop is not slavery, neither is doing a few shifts in a pub restaurant to gain some experience. At the moment it's an employers market and if you're not willing to build the CV you need don't expect to get a job.

Igor2155 · 30-11-2013 09:05PM

What you mean by attitude? Noone said about charity organisations which are free and Im not saying its a slavery. Its not easy for even shifts, I applied for many bars - 0 response.

30-11-2013 09:08PM

Hitchens wrote: »

at the height of the Celtic Tiger, ISME were lobbying to reduce the minimum wage, ffs

That would give young lads like this a better shot of getting experience without such a high bar in the way

Bepolite · 30-11-2013 09:15PM

Igor2155 wrote: »

What you mean by attitude?

Igor2155 wrote: »

Whatever

Igor2155 wrote: »

How young peoples can obtain an experience without a chance?. Working for free its a slavery.

Igor2155 wrote: »

Its not easy for even shifts, I applied for many bars - 0 response.

Bepolite wrote: »

it'll come across in any application you make to a retail/bar manager worth his/her salt.

QED?

Igor2155 · 30-11-2013 09:16PM

Weak trolling.

Igor2155 · 30-11-2013 09:17PM

Bepolite wrote: »

QED?

Weak Trolling

Bepolite · 30-11-2013 09:21PM

Igor2155 wrote: »

Weak trolling.

I'm a was a retail manager for over a decade. I can spot a numpty a mile off. Feel free to ignore my advice it's not really any skin off my nose. I can't think of a single person I ever employed, who I'm still in contact with who has an issue finding a job.

Igor2155 · 30-11-2013 09:30PM

Okay tell me if you can great oh great manager what should I say or what should I do ? Im waiting for your advice.

Bepolite · 30-11-2013 09:34PM

Igor2155 wrote: »

Okay tell me if you can great oh great manager what should I say or what should I do ? Im waiting for your advice.

I've already given it to you:

Adjust your attitude - you probably don't even realise how you come across*.
Build your CV - Charity jobs would be a good place to start.

Once that's done, look at working somewhere for free to build up a bit of experience, if you're smart about it you'll get hired on.

I can't possibly advise you what to say, it's very easy to get a job just on spiel and action alone (It's how I got my first sales job at 17) but you're not up to it kido.

EDIT: *I've just come across your post in the Legal Discussion forum.

Igor2155 · 30-11-2013 09:43PM

You wouldnt said this if your only income would be 80 euro per week, but okay thanks for advice, I will work on my experience.

Bepolite · 30-11-2013 09:46PM

Igor2155 wrote: »

You wouldnt said this if your only income would be 80 euro per week.

My income at 16/17 was what I earned, of course I was living at home. At 18 it was purely what I earned minus my tuition fees and my not unsubstantial rent and bar bill.

If you need a job I've told you how to go about getting one. I'm happy to provide you with as much advice as I can, which is quite a bit when it comes to working in retail/sales. I'm afraid it's not easy, but it is pretty simple.

Igor2155 · 30-11-2013 09:54PM

I have 22 years so its not a teenage if you know what I mean but again thank your for your advices

SCOOP 64 · 01-12-2013 12:43PM

Bepolite wrote: »

I can't think of a single person I ever employed, who I'm still in contact with who has an issue finding a job.

You sound like your on a very high horse, its still difficult for thousands to find work, unless of course they have worked for you with your experience.

Bepolite · 01-12-2013 01:24PM

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

You sound like your on a very high horse, its still difficult for thousands to find work, unless of course they have worked for you with your experience.

Perhaps and perhaps justifiably so. I dont pretend to be able to help IT professionals find a job but I can offer some pretty good advice to someone seeking a sales / retail role. Perhaps I do that in a big headed way, perhaps I treat people as they treat others. I'm happy to offer an attitude free service for say €50 an hour? If you want it for free you get it complete with my posting style. Take it or leave it.

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