Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15 Mod Warning post #6011

Antifa161 · 29-11-2013 06:33PM

Don't use a football stadium to protest about laws literally concerned with what football fans do in a football stadium. Right enough.

RoryMac · 29-11-2013 06:35PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

Don't use a football stadium to protest about laws literally concerned with what football fans do in a football stadium. Right enough.

Which came first the chicken or the egg?

Antifa161 · 29-11-2013 06:37PM

RoryMac wrote: »

Which came first the chicken or the egg?

Doesn't actually address the issue at hand whatsoever though does it?

Won't be long before 'protests' of any sort are confined to private function halls where nobody else has to hear or see them. Defeats the entire concept. I think when you start telling people where and when they are allowed or not allowed to have political expression your society is heading in a dangerous direction, especially when it only applies to dissenting politics. But alas, I see Godwins Law was already invoked in this thread!

Emily Davison should have kept politics out of horse racing :rolleyes:

RoryMac · 29-11-2013 06:43PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

Doesn't actually address the issue at hand whatsoever though does it?

Won't be long before 'protests' of any sort are confined to private function halls where nobody else has to hear or see them. Defeats the entire concept.

There wouldn't be an issue if some fans didn't continue to sign contentious songs despite being warned not to on numerous occasions by the club they proclaim to 'support'

As someone else mentioned these songs are not illegal outside of football so society is still some way off outlawing any protests.

Why the need to push political agendas at football matches?

Antifa161 · 29-11-2013 06:48PM

RoryMac wrote: »

Why the need to push political agendas at football matches?

I can't answer this on behalf of the millions and millions of fans all over the world who do, so I'll just give you my own opinion. I think a massive public gathering of like-minded people supporting a club whose entire history is steeped in politics is a reasonable environment for political expression, especially when these people feel so betrayed by conventional politics that they feel powerless so choose to capitalise on one of the few domains where they can have their voices heard by a wide audience.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 29-11-2013 06:49PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

I can't answer this on behalf of the millions and millions of fans all over the world who do, so I'll just give you my own opinion. I think a massive public gathering of like-minded people is a reasonable environment for political expression, especially when these people feel so betrayed by conventional politics that they feel powerless so choose to capitalise on one of the few domains where they can have their voices heard by a wide audience.

But Celtics ground is not full of like minded people believe it or not

Antifa161 · 29-11-2013 06:50PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

But Celtics ground is not full of like minded people believe it or not

I'll choose 'not' then, since I have never met so many like minded people in the same place as Parkhead. Literally the only whinging I ever see is from faceless people online, journos and bloggers. I'm yet to meet anybody irl who shares the same fascist outlook.

Eirebear · 29-11-2013 06:52PM

Antifa, I agree with everything you say regarding the way football fans are treated - and in general the way the population is treated with regards to protest and civil disobedience.
However I don't buy the idea that this is really what the GB, or any fans group for that matter, are really about.

Maybe one day, the GB will sit down with the UB and come up with a protest which ditches the various "sectarian" elements that most of their protests, statements and banners have a tendency to revolve around and focuses in on the class war that they themselves are very successfully being used as pawns in.
That, I would support.

RoryMac · 29-11-2013 06:54PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

I'll choose 'not' then, since I have never met so many like minded people in the same place as Parkhead. Literally the only whinging I ever see is from faceless people online, journos and bloggers. I'm yet to meet anybody irl who shares the same fascist outlook.

What fascist outlook would that be?

Antifa161 · 29-11-2013 07:05PM

Eirebear wrote: »

Maybe one day, the GB will sit down with the UB and come up with a protest which ditches the various "sectarian" elements that most of their protests, statements and banners have a tendency to revolve around and focuses in on the class war that they themselves are very successfully being used as pawns in.
That, I would support

We can't even get the support of Lawwell's ginger shítebag of a puppet so I'd hold off on the UB solidarity for a while :pac:

While I honestly don't believe your fans have ever had to deal with the same level of resistance as ours, one thing I have always somewhat admired is the amount of unity amongst them, even if I despise what a lot of it stands for. I just cannot fathom Gers fans being in this situation. Maybe because you're not obsessed with your reputation.

RoryMac wrote: »

What fascist outlook would that be?

Telling people when, where and which opinions they are allowed to express.

Eirebear · 29-11-2013 07:06PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

, one thing I have always somewhat admired is the amount of unity amongst them

lol - Rangers fans can't agree on a damn thing!

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 29-11-2013 07:07PM

Eirebear wrote: »

lol - Rangers fans can't agree on a damn thing!

Aye we can :P

Coillte_Bhoy · 29-11-2013 07:22PM

Eirebear wrote: »

lol - Rangers fans can't agree on a damn thing!

Well i'll have you know that the entire Celtic support worldwide are all militant left wing pro independence anti monarchist anti fascist republicans. Thats right, every last one of us, well except rory mac maybe, but we'll turn him yet

RoryMac · 29-11-2013 07:25PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

We can't even get the support of Lawwell's ginger shítebag of a puppet

Classy!

Maybe you should accept that a lot of fans have grown sick of groups piggybacking onto football as a way to promote their political ideals

Antifa161 wrote: »

Telling people when, where and which opinions they are allowed to express.

So because I don't want to see Celtic used as a forum for politics that makes me a fascist?

Dempsey · 29-11-2013 07:29PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

We can't even get the support of Lawwell's ginger shítebag of a puppet

Jock Stein left the dugout to confront Celtic fans over sectarian singing before. Cant blame that on Lawwell....

Lennon has faced more sectarian abuse, bigotry & death threats because of his background & what he epitomizes than all of the GB put together. His opinion carries more weight than theirs ever will.

Antifa161 · 29-11-2013 07:39PM

I would commend anyone who confronted sectarian singing and would do the same myself.

RoryMac · 29-11-2013 07:47PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

I would commend anyone who confronted sectarian singing and would do the same myself.

So at times it is ok "Telling people when, where and which opinions they are allowed to express."?

PauloMN · 29-11-2013 08:12PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

I'll choose 'not' then, since I have never met so many like minded people in the same place as Parkhead. Literally the only whinging I ever see is from faceless people online, journos and bloggers. I'm yet to meet anybody irl who shares the same fascist outlook.

You need to venture out of section 111 so. And just because people do not agree with you does not make them fascists ffs.

Antifa161 · 29-11-2013 08:35PM

RoryMac wrote: »

So at times it is ok "Telling people when, where and which opinions they are allowed to express."?

Yes absolutely, that's why some of our human rights have limitations. Had the banners in question been sectarian or racist for example, I would not have deemed them acceptable.

PauloMN wrote: »

You need to venture out of section 111 so. And just because people do not agree with you does not make them fascists ffs.

Maybe collect yourself and take another, slower and more careful read of what I said. At no point did I say people who disagree with me are fascists and it's tragic that you've resorted to claiming I did. Grow up.

PauloMN · 29-11-2013 09:11PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

Maybe collect yourself and take another, slower and more careful read of what I said. At no point did I say people who disagree with me are fascists and it's tragic that you've resorted to claiming I did. Grow up.

So what exactly do you mean by this then?

Literally the only whinging I ever see is from faceless people online, journos and bloggers. I'm yet to meet anybody irl who shares the same fascist outlook.

Seems to me that you believe anyone "whinging" about certain GB activities have a "fascist outlook".

Your words, not mine.

Eirebear · 29-11-2013 09:48PM

So what have we learned in the past few days?

Labels are bad form, even if they are allegedly "good" generalisations.
Most of us actually agree on the majority of points, but we're generally blinded by the labels put on us and those we put on others.
The only exception to this rule is Courgettes and Cucumbers, so Lennonist doesn't end up with Courgette sandwiches next week.

There will always be different angles on things, and we'll usually find a way of disagreeing on things, but actually - the most of us are decent adult human beings who can have a conversation without chucking insults at one another.

Isn't that nice?
Sellik are ****e.

PauloMN · 29-11-2013 10:49PM

Eirebear wrote: »

So what have we learned in the past few days?

I've learned that the Queen brings in £20m in tourism. FACT.

Dempsey · 29-11-2013 11:03PM

Just listening to the Neil Lennon press conference there. A reporter asked him about the transfer dealings during the summer and he told him he was sick of that particular reporter continually asking him the same question! :pac: Hacks in Scotland have little creativity!

Interesting to hear that we were in for other players and they fell through when other clubs became interested and some just didnt want to come. I'd love to see a list of who the club went after, not just this window, but others too & how much they bid for them! At least it would shut up fans about buying players that they've tried and failed to bring in.

A pity there wasnt more transparency in the transfer window...

Hagar the Nice. · 29-11-2013 11:37PM

"Therefore, we must say again and yet again:

1. The Jews are our destruction. They started this war and direct it. They want to destroy the German Reich and our people. This plan must be blocked.

2. There are no distinctions between Jews. Each Jew is a sworn enemy of the German people. If he does not make his hostility plain, it is only from cowardice and slyness, not because he loves us.

3. The Jews are to blame for each German soldier who falls in this war. They have him on their conscience, and must also pay for it.

4. If someone wears the Jewish star, he is an enemy of the people. Anyone who deals with him is the same as a Jew and must be treated accordingly. He earns the contempt of the entire people, for he is a craven coward who leaves them in the lurch to stand by the enemy.

5. The Jews enjoy the protection of our enemies. That is all the proof we need to show how harmful they are for our people.

6. The Jews are the enemy’s agents among us. He who stands by them aids the enemy.

7. The Jews have no right to claim equality with us. If they wish to speak on the streets, in lines outside shops or in public transportation, they should be ignored, not only because their are simply wrong, but because they are Jews who have no right to a voice in the community.

8. If the Jews appeal to your sentimentality, realize that they are hoping for your forgetfulness, and let them know that you see through them and hold them in contempt.

9. A decent enemy will deserve our generosity after we have won. The Jew however is not a decent enemy, though he tries to seem so.

10. The Jews are responsible for the war. The treatment they receive from us is hardly unjust. They have deserved it all.

It is the job of the government to deal with them. No one has the right to act on his own, but each has the duty to support the state’s measures against the Jews, to defend them with others, and to avoid being misled by any Jewish tricks.

The security of the state requires that of us all."

Goebbels 1941.

Or was it updated recently......The Famine's over,why don't you go home.:(

Hagar the Nice. · 29-11-2013 11:44PM

Eirebear wrote: »

You could say he's up a creek without a paddle....

Feckin iPod.:(

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 29-11-2013 11:45PM

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

"Therefore, we must say again and yet again:

1. The Jews are our destruction. They started this war and direct it. They want to destroy the German Reich and our people. This plan must be blocked.

2. There are no distinctions between Jews. Each Jew is a sworn enemy of the German people. If he does not make his hostility plain, it is only from cowardice and slyness, not because he loves us.

3. The Jews are to blame for each German soldier who falls in this war. They have him on their conscience, and must also pay for it.

4. If someone wears the Jewish star, he is an enemy of the people. Anyone who deals with him is the same as a Jew and must be treated accordingly. He earns the contempt of the entire people, for he is a craven coward who leaves them in the lurch to stand by the enemy.

5. The Jews enjoy the protection of our enemies. That is all the proof we need to show how harmful they are for our people.

6. The Jews are the enemy’s agents among us. He who stands by them aids the enemy.

7. The Jews have no right to claim equality with us. If they wish to speak on the streets, in lines outside shops or in public transportation, they should be ignored, not only because their are simply wrong, but because they are Jews who have no right to a voice in the community.

8. If the Jews appeal to your sentimentality, realize that they are hoping for your forgetfulness, and let them know that you see through them and hold them in contempt.

9. A decent enemy will deserve our generosity after we have won. The Jew however is not a decent enemy, though he tries to seem so.

10. The Jews are responsible for the war. The treatment they receive from us is hardly unjust. They have deserved it all.

It is the job of the government to deal with them. No one has the right to act on his own, but each has the duty to support the state’s measures against the Jews, to defend them with others, and to avoid being misled by any Jewish tricks.

The security of the state requires that of us all."

Goebbels 1941.

Or was it updated recently......The Famine's over,why don't you go home.:(

Lol really

Dempsey · 29-11-2013 11:53PM

You do know that when you invoke Godwin's Law you have lost the argument?

Eirebear · 30-11-2013 12:08AM

PauloMN wrote: »

I've learned that the Queen brings in £20m in tourism. FACT.

And what an 'applepine' is.

RoryMac · 30-11-2013 12:14AM

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

"Therefore, we must say again and yet again:

1. The Jews are our destruction. They started this war and direct it. They want to destroy the German Reich and our people. This plan must be blocked.

2. There are no distinctions between Jews. Each Jew is a sworn enemy of the German people. If he does not make his hostility plain, it is only from cowardice and slyness, not because he loves us.

3. The Jews are to blame for each German soldier who falls in this war. They have him on their conscience, and must also pay for it.

4. If someone wears the Jewish star, he is an enemy of the people. Anyone who deals with him is the same as a Jew and must be treated accordingly. He earns the contempt of the entire people, for he is a craven coward who leaves them in the lurch to stand by the enemy.

5. The Jews enjoy the protection of our enemies. That is all the proof we need to show how harmful they are for our people.

6. The Jews are the enemy’s agents among us. He who stands by them aids the enemy.

7. The Jews have no right to claim equality with us. If they wish to speak on the streets, in lines outside shops or in public transportation, they should be ignored, not only because their are simply wrong, but because they are Jews who have no right to a voice in the community.

8. If the Jews appeal to your sentimentality, realize that they are hoping for your forgetfulness, and let them know that you see through them and hold them in contempt.

9. A decent enemy will deserve our generosity after we have won. The Jew however is not a decent enemy, though he tries to seem so.

10. The Jews are responsible for the war. The treatment they receive from us is hardly unjust. They have deserved it all.

It is the job of the government to deal with them. No one has the right to act on his own, but each has the duty to support the state’s measures against the Jews, to defend them with others, and to avoid being misled by any Jewish tricks.

The security of the state requires that of us all."

Goebbels 1941.

Or was it updated recently......The Famine's over,why don't you go home.:(

I'm genuinely lost for words

Hagar the Nice. · 30-11-2013 12:19AM

RoryMac wrote: »

I'm genuinely lost for words

Funny you should say that because I was the same as you when I saw " No Catholics need apply." or being asked which school I attended or being set upon for wearing a medalof the pope,there was only five of them thankfully.:mad:

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