Advertisement
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
https://www.boards.ie/group/1878-subscribers-forum

Private Group for paid up members of Boards.ie. Join the club.
Hi all, please see this major site announcement: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058427594/boards-ie-2026

Knee-jerk Reactions, Failures in Policing and Vigilantism

  • 28-11-2013 01:49PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭


    I had heard the name Bijan Ebrahimi before, but wasn't fully informed about the story. Now that I have, it's just an awful story.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-25122280
    A man who was murdered and had his body set on fire following false rumours he was a paedophile was "let down" by the police, his sister has said.

    Manisha Moores said Iranian-born Bijan Ebrahimi had come to England as a refugee in 2001 to find a better life.

    He was arrested by police after he was seen taking pictures around the Bristol estate where he lived.

    Avon and Somerset Police said there was no proof to back up the allegation he was a paedophile.

    Ms Moores said her brother had "no doubt" that he was coming to a safe place and that he did not believe anything bad would happen to him in the UK.

    Mr Ebrahimi had been suffering racial and physical abuse on the estate he lived on in the Brislington area of the city, said Ms Moores.

    She added he was told he needed to provide photographic evidence to support his allegations of harassment and damage to his property.

    Basically, he had some learning difficulties and mild disabilities, was extremely passionate about horticulture and his garden (and cat) and became increasingly reclusive as a victim of abuse from those around him. He had previously been assaulted quite badly in a share home in 2006 resultingin hospitalisation, and faced further abuse in his new residence - complaining to police 14 times in 3 years over racist abuse and issues with neighbours. The breaking point for him was when kids in the area started destroying his flowers, so he took photos of them doing this, most likely to send to the authorities to try and get them to stop. After all, it's not like the parents of those kids were bothered to do anything, going by everything else we know.

    Instead, the locals reported him for videotaping their kids and police wound up arresting him on suspicions of paedophilia - those same neighbours were cheering his arrest and shouting further abuse at him as it occurred - the eventual killer made a threat on Ebrahimi's life in the presence of police, and no action was taken. When the police found no evidence of any wrongdoing on Ebrahmi's part, they did not make this clear to any neighbours despite it such a blatantly hostile environment that they were releasing him back into (and instances like a convicted paedophile being burned alive in his council house only a few weeks prior). They also never looked any further into the abuse he was receiving from his neighbours.

    Within two days, Ebrahimi was dead. 24 year old Lee James called to his door, beat him unconscious, stamped on his head and burned him alive... the very same vigilante justice that many in here often call for when a paedophilia story comes out.

    Lee James has been sentenced to 18 years in prison today, an accomplice Stephen Norley who supplied the white spirits with which Ebrahimi was burned alive was sentenced to four years, and six police officers are being questioned for cross misconduct over their handling of the incident - three have been suspended, and (I assume the same) three are also being questioned for criminal charges. But Bijan Ebrahimi is still dead, still murdered despite believing he was moving to a safer place and better life back in 2001.

    It's just an absolutely terrible, depressing story, perhaps mostly because it is not at all surprising.


Comments

  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Somehow this is because of Islam. Somehow.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Soft Falling Rain


    Horrendous, made even worse by the fact this man was clearly vulnerable.

    May be controversial to say, but it's not always children who are the most vulnerable in our society.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Billy86 wrote: »
    the very same vigilante justice that many in here often call for when a paedophilia story comes out.

    Recently a change.org petition has been popping up in my facebook feed. It calls for anyone accused of a sexual crime to be held in prison until trial. They even called the accused the perpetrator.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Grayson wrote: »
    Recently a change.org petition has been popping up in my facebook feed. It calls for anyone accused of a sexual crime to be held in prison until trial. They even called the accused the perpetrator.
    It is pretty sinister of course, but a part of my would love to see all those who signed that petition to be accused of sex crimes. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭Wattle


    Somehow this is because of Islam. Somehow.

    I actually wouldn't be surprised if this was one of the factors. You can just imagine them totting up all the things that made him a 'wrong un' in their eyes. Lives alone. Check. Took photos with children in them. Check. Not from around here. Check. Muslims are all bad. Check.

    And don't they sound like a charming bunch themselves? Vandalising his property. Physically and racially abusing a vulnerable disabled man.

    Depressing stuff really :(


  • Advertisement
  • Posts: 3,226 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tabloid rags have a lot to answer for as well, creating this paranoid mindset in people


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    A video of the charming piece of s**t is after surfacing... with 24 year old Lee James referring to himself as "a little boy." :confused:



    He'd be an hilarious caricature, if not for the fact that he isn't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Read about this story, and it certainly highlights the dangers of hysteria amongst people, which results in there own fear turning them into murders and criminals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    Billy86 wrote: »
    A video of the charming piece of s**t is after surfacing... with 24 year old Lee James referring to himself as "a little boy." :confused:



    He'd be an hilarious caricature, if not for the fact that he isn't.

    He looks like a real winner, doesn't he?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    The victim impact statement from the victims family was published on the Guardian:

    Bijan Ebrahimi: softly spoken brother who suffered horrendous bullying


    Really puts the crime in perspective.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    Lets not forget the mob of people that attacked a house cause the woman that lived there was a pediatritian

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/aug/30/childprotection.society
    Self-styled vigilantes attacked the home of a hospital paediatrician after apparently confusing her professional title with the word "paedophile", it emerged yesterday.
    Dr Yvette Cloete, a specialist registrar in paediatric medicine at the Royal Gwent hospital in Newport, was forced to flee her house after vandals daubed it with graffiti in the middle of the night.

    The word "paedo" was written across the front porch and door of the house she shared with her brother in the village of St Brides, south Wales.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    I can't stand mob violence. It's not just an attack on the victim of the violence, it's an attack on anyone who respects and abides by the laws of the State. Vigilantism of this sort is a crime against the state in my eyes and should be punished accordingly.

    Fortunately, the relevant authorities in the UK seem to be taking this very seriously.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,971 ✭✭✭Holsten


    Completely messed up, even if he had of actually done anything wrong, Vigilantism has no place at all.

    If you look here you can see the kind of mind set that these people have; https://www.facebook.com/SteveNorleyIsInnocent.

    He was just at the wrong place at the wrong time...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭Wattle


    They even have a quote from Malcolm X on that Facebook page. Mind boggling.


  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I can't stand mob violence. It's not just an attack on the victim of the violence, it's an attack on anyone who respects and abides by the laws of the State. Vigilantism of this sort is a crime against the state in my eyes and should be punished accordingly.

    Fortunately, the relevant authorities in the UK seem to be taking this very seriously.

    I'm fine with vigilantism sometimes. Wouldn't mind if he had some family in the UK in 15 or so years time. Or when someone walks free after sexually assaulting someone, if it was my sister I'd be locked up within a week.

    As for the paedophile thing, I'm not buying it. Nothing on the news other than the murdering scumbag's word makes it seem so. In the video they showed the scumbag burst in and gave out to him for filming him, not kids. Seems like more of an attempt to cover tracks after the fact.


Advertisement
Advertisement