Why do we work?

SuperInfinity · 30-10-2013 11:29PM

Stingerbar wrote: »

It's survival plain and simple

In order to live one must eat, drink and have shelter

As society has progressed we have found that we can live better by the division of labour, by specialising, by living in communities and so on

As the "survival" part has become more manageable we have developed more free time - this time has become increasingly larger

We fill that time with learning, challenges, interests, hobbies and so on

Depending on so many factors such as family stability, war, sickness, education, geographical location, time period and about a million other external and psychological factors we can feel more or less fulfilled in our lives (often in comparison with those around us) and therefore more or less happy depending on how much emphasis we place on happiness

I feel its more a sociological/anthropological question and is very much linked to our behaviour and underlying need for survival

But shur we work harder and more horrible work than our friends in the jungle/savanna ever had/have to. All they need to do is pick fruit from the trees, their lives are relatively easy. The rest of that time can be spent playing, mating or competing for dominance. They do have to avoid predators, but it's not such a serious problem that they are in fear of their lives every day. "We have found we can live better"? don't make me laugh. The only reason we need roads, petrol, internet, televisions, books at all is to try to solve problems or voids created by civilization in the first place.

Admit it, 'tis all a cod.

Niall Keane · 28-11-2013 01:24AM

Some might find these interesting, they certainly address the question and seem to jump out as obvious developments to some of the previous posters' reasoning?

but ssssssshhhh! you are not supposed to think like this!

http://www.complementarycurrency.org/ccLibrary/Mutual_Aid-A_Factor_of_Evolution-Peter_Kropotkin.pdf

http://libcom.org/files/1345266991261.pdf

http://www.scribd.com/doc/94635038/Chomsky-Noam-Occupy

remember.....

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Torakx · 02-12-2013 09:04PM

http://libcom.org/files/1345266991261.pdf
Thanks for that link, still reading through it, but some good stuff there!
I myself had settled on a loose idea which I believe is described as feudalism.
My theory is that we are not ready to rule over each other and shouldn't have to.
But considering our animal nature especially without sufficient enlightenment, I think a feudal system is best.... so far.

I can see power is becoming more central overall.
If it continues we will destroy ourselves or be a proper slave class in a few hundred years maybe.
Witha fuedal system tade etc can all carry on, just decisions for countries could be made through county councils and relaying any neccesary decisions to a public platform for international decisions. Maybe county votes on international choices.
Chomsky's anarchist syndicalism almost sounded like that.But not quite agreeable with me.
I do agree with the idea that power corrupts. And as great as the idea sounds of putting scholars and various scientists in positions of governance and power, it is flawed by human nature and possibly the process of becoming a scholar/scientist under this regime.

So I still say bring up the borders of rule and decision making and open up the gates for visitors

getsome · 05-12-2013 11:38PM

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Nonsense.

He's saying he cannot walk around freely in nature and pick the food that grows from the earth, he cannot edge out his own territory, like all other animals do.

Money doesn't grow on trees, but food does. Water is free, at least it was before civilization came around and ruined everything.

What does he want? It just goes to show how bad modern society has gotten that so many people cannot even imagine or don't even know about how it could be any better, how it was back primitive times pre-civilization.

Did you realize that all around you, fruit trees where you might get food have been prevented from growing? In sub-Saharan Africa where we evolved from, fruit was readily and freely available all year around.

Nowadays, the government will stop you from going into a big field and picking apples from it. They will prevent you from going on thousands of acres of something belonging to Simon Cowell or similar people. In nature, no animal just has nearly all the food and all the territory, because it wouldn't be feasible for them to defend this ridiculously huge territory against starving individuals nearby. And you're so brainwashed that you think this is okay.

The food you buy in the supermarket is just a mockery of the fresh, raw, organic food you would get in the wild. How naive and ignorant you have to be to believe the corporate myth of the modern world.

You disgust and offend me.

I pick fruit from tree all the time and the government doesn't stop me. And when we evolved we never lost our territorial habits, not much is documented on tribes trying to rob each other land and fruits, I would nearly %99 sure that tribes would of fought over any land that offered fruit or food, so nothing was ever free. It sounds like you have been reading too much into the illuminates and new world order, most of society would be lost without a purpose such as work, alot of satisfaction, confidence and many more things can be gained from working.

Torakx · 06-12-2013 12:09AM

Depends what or who you are working for maybe.
It's not a simple yes or no answer.
I kind of agree with both sides of that arguement.
We humans became too overpowered compared to other creatures and ruined everything for ourselves as a whole.
Our biological make up allowing us to be servants to a few.
The few that are ruining it for everyone...but because we allow it as a whole.
Kind of a vicious circle thats hard to break.Human conditioning and the intelligence to abuse it and twist it for personal gain, creating a psychological prison that is nearly invisible to the majority and painfully obvious to a minority.
But to have it any other way is nearly a complete paradigm shift, which is something that may never happen without the foundations being ripped right out of this international society. Opps socities. Forgot about classes lol

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