Lostprophets singer admits to being a baby rapist

token56 · 26-11-2013 11:02PM

There is even more detail provided here but I must warn it is far from an easy read:
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/national/news/10834128.Lostprophets_star_s_baby_abuse/

It is beyond comprehension how not only him but the two mothers conspired to do what they did, and what they had planned to do was even worse. The only hint of something positive to take from this is that he and the mothers are no longer a threat, and the unquantifiable suffering inflicted on those poor infants, who were not old enough to even comprehend what was happening to them, has ended.

KungPao · 26-11-2013 11:10PM

Pretty shocking alright. Not much shocks me anymore, but this is madness.

nelly17 · 26-11-2013 11:19PM

token56 wrote: »

There is even more detail provided here but I must warn it is far from an easy read:
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/national/news/10834128.Lostprophets_star_s_baby_abuse/

It is beyond comprehension how not only him but the two mothers conspired to do what they did, and what they had planned to do was even worse. The only hint of something positive to take from this is that he and the mothers are no longer a threat, and the unquantifiable suffering inflicted on those poor infants, who were not old enough to even comprehend what was happening to them, has ended.

Thanks for posting but I dont think I could read that having read the BBC article so I wont

Grayditch · 26-11-2013 11:21PM

Had to stop reading that. That was just too much.

foggy_lad · 26-11-2013 11:27PM

Spare a thought for the police who investigated these crimes and the members of the legal profession who will have had to read through even worse than what we see in the media. Also remember that there have been worse crimes here in Ireland with whole families of children being enslaved tortured raped and abused for years and some even killed by their parents.

jam_mac_jam · 26-11-2013 11:28PM

Jesus, I am usually of the pc brigade, pinko, oh they have a lot of problems... but ****,he is an actual monster. I find it very hard to think that there is not evil when I hear about **** like that.

Grayson · 26-11-2013 11:28PM

dark crystal wrote: »

He did make a conscious decision, though. This wasn't one incident, after which he was so apalled, he turned himself in. He planned these acts, shared these acts with others, took pleasure in committing them, involved others in them.

The prosecution said "He accepts he was a determined and committed paedophile."

Even his computer password was an obscenity related to sexual activity with children. He had planned to teach the babies how to take drugs. This wasn't a man tormented by his actions.

I agree.

Willfully hurting, abusing and raping children for your own pleasure is monstrous and evil. Whatever the reasoning behind it, those are fair descriptions of such acts.

Sure, maybe it's a cop out, but you cannot blame people for having visceral reactions to such crimes. Nothing anyone posts on a forum can help anyone that does such things, in fairness. Only the people involved can be proactive in helping themselves.

I don't think that you actually understand what a compulsion is. There are people who have to wash their hands 10 times an hour. There are people who count every step they make. There are people who steal automatically. These are behaviours that are innate and don't involve rational thought. The people who act like this are all too often aware that their behaviours is irrational or even immoral but act that way anyway. Telling them it's irrational is about as useful as telling someone with depression to cheer up. It's something that needs to be understood before it can be treated.

dark crystal · 26-11-2013 11:29PM

token56 wrote: »

There is even more detail provided here but I must warn it is far from an easy read:
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/national/news/10834128.Lostprophets_star_s_baby_abuse/

It is beyond comprehension how not only him but the two mothers conspired to do what they did, and what they had planned to do was even worse. The only hint of something positive to take from this is that he and the mothers are no longer a threat, and the unquantifiable suffering inflicted on those poor infants, who were not old enough to even comprehend what was happening to them, has ended.

As gut churningly sickening as that is to read, can you imagine if the trial had gone ahead and those jurors had to sit and watch those videos and view those images? It would have been incredibly traumatic for them.

Must have been such a relief for them not to have to do it.

Grayson · 26-11-2013 11:30PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

Spare a thought for the police who investigated these crimes and the members of the legal profession who will have had to read through even worse than what we see in the media. Also remember that there have been worse crimes here in Ireland with whole families of children being enslaved tortured raped and abused for years and some even killed by their parents.

I often wonder how professionals deal with it. Even the guys who try and track down the internet stuff. Some of the sh1t they see must be so disturbing, I honestly can't imagine how they get up every morning and walk into work.

nelly17 · 26-11-2013 11:31PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

Spare a thought for the police who investigated these crimes and the members of the legal profession who will have had to read through even worse than what we see in the media. Also remember that there have been worse crimes here in Ireland with whole families of children being enslaved tortured raped and abused for years and some even killed by their parents.

This is true there is a unit here based in the Pheonix Park, I heard a guy from there on the last word - they deal with interpol monititoring and assisting Eurpoe Wide he said a lot of his time is spent reviewing this material trying to identify both the victims and the perpetrators - MUCH RESPECT

I am pie · 26-11-2013 11:32PM

Having read that, I've changed my mind. He should suffer the most lingering unpleasant end to his life. Sorry, sometimes understanding and rehabilitation are just not deserved.

Femme_Fatale · 26-11-2013 11:32PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

remember that there have been worse crimes here in Ireland with whole families of children being enslaved tortured raped and abused for years and some even killed by their parents.

We are aware of that going on all around the world sadly. Not sure why it needs to be brought up here when this thread is about a different case?

Grayson · 26-11-2013 11:35PM

One thing I will say is I have no idea how the mothers became involved. Him I can imagine being someone who is incredibly sick. I think he will remain locked up either in prison or in a secure mental facility for the rest of his life and I think that's right. We're unfortunately used to hearing about his type of character.

But I have no idea what would ever compel a mother to do something like that or how there were two of them. It's utterly baffling.

token56 · 26-11-2013 11:35PM

nelly17 wrote: »

Thanks for posting but I dont think I could read that having read the BBC article so I wont

To be honest I wouldn't, I'm actually sorry I did, it's properly getting to me now, not just what was done, but what he had actually planned and I'm just so glad it didn't get that far.

The main thing I want to say is that this is as clear an example as I can think of, of a person who's urges and actions are completely incompatible with what modern humanity considers in any way moral or ethical. I would have been previously of the opinion that someone like this (I'm presuming his urges and actions can never be controlled), and others like him, should simply be kept locked up for the remainder of his life in a secure facility away from anyone he may be able to harm. But I just dont see a purpose in keeping someone like him alive.

As gut churningly sickening as that is to read, can you imagine if the trial had gone ahead and those jurors had to sit and watch those videos and view those images? It would have been incredibly traumatic for them.

Absolutely, its a big part of why they accept his plea as is, to spare them from having to watch those videos. Obviously the fewer the number of people that has to see them the better. The prosecution must know he is never going to be released into the general public again so pursuing him for greater charges served no purpose and would only inflict horrors on those jurors.

Grayson · 26-11-2013 11:36PM

I am pie wrote: »

Having read that, I've changed my mind. He should suffer the most lingering unpleasant end to his life. Sorry, sometimes understanding and rehabilitation are just not deserved.

I don't think it's possible to rehabilitate him but the reason i think he should be sent to a hospital is so he can be studied and many we'll get a bit closer to curing someone in the future. If someday it results in one less person being abused it's worth it.

Butterfly25 · 26-11-2013 11:41PM

token56 wrote: »

There is even more detail provided here but I must warn it is far from an easy read:
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/national/news/10834128.Lostprophets_star_s_baby_abuse/

It is beyond comprehension how not only him but the two mothers conspired to do what they did, and what they had planned to do was even worse. The only hint of something positive to take from this is that he and the mothers are no longer a threat, and the unquantifiable suffering inflicted on those poor infants, who were not old enough to even comprehend what was happening to them, has ended.

Couldn't read the whole thing!! I seriously wish I hadnt clicked that link, what disgusting vile individuals they are. As another poster said, I would be in favour of the death penalty.

nelly17 · 26-11-2013 11:42PM

Grayson wrote: »

I don't think it's possible to rehabilitate him but the reason i think he should be sent to a hospital is so he can be studied and many we'll get a bit closer to curing someone in the future. If someday it results in one less person being abused it's worth it.

Is there a cure though or is there always a risk?

Personally I dont think society can afford to take that risk.

So, Incarceration it is. I know I'll sleep soundly.

token56 · 26-11-2013 11:48PM

Grayson wrote: »

I don't think it's possible to rehabilitate him but the reason i think he should be sent to a hospital is so he can be studied and many we'll get a bit closer to curing someone in the future. If someday it results in one less person being abused it's worth it.

I get what you are saying. I would add to this that the victims should have a say in whether he would be kept alive for such a reason. If they felt him being would help in any small way with their suffering, that should be it. Unfortunately the victims in this case were so young they couldn't even comprehend what was being done to them. So I'm really at odds as to what I'd like to see done.

As an aside to this someday these infants who were abused are going to be old enough to understand what happened to them. But should they ever be told if they may never remember it? Would there actually be a purpose to telling them, do they have a right to know? Given the how young they were how does could this effect their psychological development as they grow older, or does it? I dont know the answers but unfortunately these are some horrible questions which have to be considered given what has happened.

dark crystal · 26-11-2013 11:49PM

Grayson wrote: »

I don't think that you actually understand what a compulsion is. There are people who have to wash their hands 10 times an hour. There are people who count every step they make. There are people who steal automatically. These are behaviours that are innate and don't involve rational thought. The people who act like this are all too often aware that their behaviours is irrational or even immoral but act that way anyway. Telling them it's irrational is about as useful as telling someone with depression to cheer up. It's something that needs to be understood before it can be treated.

Of course I understand what a compulsion is.

I'm not going to get into the psychological whataboutery of paedophilia, because I'm not a psychologist, but suffice it to say, grown adults know right from wrong and compulsion or no compulsion, if your issues extend to seriously harming others and taking great pleasure from doing so, in my eyes, you cease being a victim. No remorse, no attempt to stop or seek help...sorry.

I agree they should be treated, however making excuses for their behaviour doesn't help them either. Doesn't that just then lead to other acts of cruelty and depravity simply being dismissed as effects of some mental illness or other? At some point, you have to take responsibility for your actions.

thebaz · 26-11-2013 11:55PM

Grayson wrote: »

I don't think it's possible to rehabilitate him but the reason i think he should be sent to a hospital is so he can be studied

Rehabilitation , study, hospital ??? in 99.999 of cases , yes, but could you really or want to rehabilate someone who wants to rape a baby - enforced castration and lifelong imprisonment - and American style life at that - just think this is the most horrific case I have ever heard , in an increasingly sick world

cena · 26-11-2013 11:56PM

Sick sick man.

should people feel wrong to listen the bands music again

Grand Moff Tarkin · 26-11-2013 11:57PM

Someone on here once said there is no such thing as evil.

poundapunnet · 26-11-2013 11:58PM

dark crystal wrote: »

Of course I understand what a compulsion is.

I'm not going to get into the psychological whataboutery of paedophilia, because I'm not a psychologist, but suffice it to say, grown adults know right from wrong and compulsion or no compulsion, if your issues extend to seriously harming others and taking great pleasure from doing so, in my eyes, you cease being a victim. No remorse, no attempt to stop or seek help...sorry.

I agree they should be treated, however making excuses for their behaviour doesn't help them either. Doesn't that just then lead to other acts of cruelty and depravity simply being dismissed as effects of some mental illness or other? At some point, you have to take responsibility for your actions.

The part in bold, I think it's important to understand what leads to people being able to do that though. I read a bit about this a few years ago and what I took away from it was that the compulsion is very strong, and they have to be able to feel that it's justifiable, which entails either convincing themselves that the kids are enjoying it, or that the kids don't matter. The individual personality of the paedophile has an effect on their behaviour even though the compulsion is the same. Some will seek help, some will just try and stay away from kids (which as far as I remember isn't very effective, there's almost inevitably a point where they give in), some will groom and molest kids for years and think it's a consensual relationship, some will be able to do what this ****er tried.

Being some kind of paedo apologist is obviously not right but there's a few shades of grey between that and dismissing it outright as "evil and montrous, and that's all that can be said, end of". And as I mentioned in an earlier post I think that kind of language around it both discourages people from seeking help and enables people like this **** to get so deep into f.ucked up land.

Disclaimer: I am not, nor have I ever been, nor am I affiliated with any child abusers.

Fratton Fred · 26-11-2013 11:59PM

I don't pretend to be any sort of an expert on the psychology of.paedophiles, but this seems to be so much more evil (for want of a better term) than a.sick old man who likes touching kids.

This seems to be some sort of sadistic depraved Hindley/Brady esque type character who was only.just.starting on a journey that was going God knows where.

Death is way too good for.him. I hope, right now, he is being violently gang raped.

catallus · 27-11-2013 12:00AM

Grayson wrote: »

I don't think it's possible to rehabilitate him but the reason i think he should be sent to a hospital is so he can be studied and many we'll get a bit closer to curing someone in the future. If someday it results in one less person being abused it's worth it.

This idea has been posted on thread since page one.

It is nonsense.

There is absolutely nothing to be learned from perpetrators.

The reasons for their heinous crimes range in a spectrum: in the case of the subject of this thread it was put forward in court that drugs including meth cocaine and ghb were partially involved in some of the crimes. Even starting from there there is no point in looking for answers (at least from the point of view of neurological or psychiatric reasons) in the minds or brains of abusers. Other perpetrators have been shown to be victims of past abuse, yet others are of low intelligence, others are shown to be emotional cripples, others are just plain evil (read psychopath/sociopath).

The idea that expense and human capital should be expended on studying these creeps to see if they can give a clue as to preventing future instances of such abuse occurring is sadly naive but to be expected when so much money is involved and so many people with diplomas in psychology are roaming the streets.

This thread shows so much justified anger, and rehabilitation is a myth, but the idea that this guy holds the secret or part of the secret to protecting us or anyone from such heinous crimes is a cruel taunt.

Everyone reading this thread, if they think about it, can tell that this guy did what he did because he wanted to get his rocks off. In a society where even Charles Manson and Ian Huntley file appeal after appeal while living in comfort, where is the deterrent?
And if you are in a place where you like the idea of doing such unspeakable things, that prospect matters.

April O Neill II · 27-11-2013 12:03AM

From the Beeb:

Watkins also planned to "teach" the babies how to take drugs, the hearing was told.

What. The. Actual. Fúck.

:eek::mad:

token56 · 27-11-2013 12:09AM

He planned much more than that, the level of perversion is truely harrowing.

6am7f9zxrsjvnb · 27-11-2013 12:11AM

cena wrote: »

Sick sick man.

should people feel wrong to listen the bands music again

YES.

crockholm · 27-11-2013 12:12AM

token56 wrote: »

There is even more detail provided here but I must warn it is far from an easy read:
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/national/news/10834128.Lostprophets_star_s_baby_abuse/

It is beyond comprehension how not only him but the two mothers conspired to do what they did, and what they had planned to do was even worse. The only hint of something positive to take from this is that he and the mothers are no longer a threat, and the unquantifiable suffering inflicted on those poor infants, who were not old enough to even comprehend what was happening to them, has ended.

You know, I clicked on that link and read the deplorable story and the truely vile people in it.
Without wishing to be facetious or going off topic,why the actual fukk,after reading that article would the web page have a section titled "You may like" and then linking to a page entitled "A few Lovely lady celebs,now and way back when"

Bizarre.

April O Neill II · 27-11-2013 12:16AM

token56 wrote: »

He planned much more than that, the level of perversion is truely harrowing.

Oh I know, just the image of trying to get babies into drug-taking is just mental.

Just spotted the link you provided. Will read with caution.

Lostprophets singer admits to being a baby rapist

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