Lostprophets singer admits to being a baby rapist

My name is URL · 26-11-2013 07:30PM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

There are many more just like him out there with the same mental illness. And some of them may actually want help. But, how could they possibly seek it in a society that makes comments like those in this thread? What person would risk going to their GP and asking for a referral to get treatment for that?

There's a world of difference between being a paedophile (as is described in diagnostic manuals), and people who actually act on their urges. Once someone crosses that line they can no longer simply be considered to be paedophiles.. they are child molesters, abusers and rapists. The paraphilia may be responsible for their sexual preferences, but it's not solely responsible for their actions.

This guy made a conscious decision to cross that line, he even said this himself, and at any time prior to it he could have sought help. He didn't though, despite knowing the consequences of his actions and the hurt it would cause to others. I don't buy for one minute that it's simply down to mental issues.. that's a huge cop-out. Countless responsibilities could be shirked if that excuse was used all the time.

lukesmom · 26-11-2013 07:30PM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

What happens is 'evil', as in the result but I don't agree that this lad was just born 'evil' with a gene to want to hurt children. I doubt anyone would dream when they are 5,6,7 to grow up and hurt children in this way. So whatever way it developed, it wasn't voluntary imo.

He's a paedophile so is sick in the head. And no I don't believe people are born this way either.

26-11-2013 07:32PM

Bambi wrote: »

a) they were in a band with a sex offender for how many years and had no inkling what he was like, yeah fair enough if you believe that, I don't

b) the f**ker was arrested ages ago and rather than disband straight away they hedge their bets until just before it goes to trial.

Miserable morally dubious f**kwits

I don't understand this.

Does this mean that every family member or colleague of a convicted criminal is guilty by association?

Does it also mean that people who think they know and get along with someone who is accused of a crime should automatically assume their guilt if they're accused of something, rather than wait for evidence or clarification?

I hope no one close to you ever commits a crime, I'd hate people to assume you were okay with it.

O'Neill · 26-11-2013 07:37PM

Well I do have some sympathy towards those who have such attractions and will NEVER act on their feelings, but that sympathy completely goes out the window when they do act on them.

Galwayguy35 · 26-11-2013 07:39PM

I don't think anyone should blame the other band members, it's possible to work with someone and have no idea what knd of a sick fooker they are.

I saw this myself in my last job, there was a guy there who we all thought was a really nice fella and always wanted to help, turned out he had the worst kind of child porn on his laptop when the cops got him.

Sometimes you just don't know someone at all.

looking_around · 26-11-2013 07:39PM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

What happens is 'evil', as in the result but I don't agree that this lad was just born 'evil' with a gene to want to hurt children. I doubt anyone would dream when they are 5,6,7 to grow up and hurt children in this way. So whatever way it developed, it wasn't voluntary imo.

I dont agree.

Its not a learned behaviour.
Some people just don't deserve freedom.

sadie06 · 26-11-2013 07:44PM

Mother of God! Those poor innocent children.

I don't see that anyone has mentioned his previous long term partners, but my heart goes out to them also. I can't imagine finding out that someone I had been intimate with was capable of this, and perhaps had these inclinations all along.

liliq · 26-11-2013 07:45PM

Sickening.
I really feel like puking. How anyone can do that, how anyone could offer their child or baby up to someone knowing what was going to happen.
Sub human monsters. Disgusting, they don't deserve a shred of compassion.

26-11-2013 07:46PM

Any indication what animal he ****ed?

RDM_83 again · 26-11-2013 07:50PM

Out of curiosity in that BBC article they mention him filming himself having sex with 16 year olds, is there an offense linked to those activities as I thought the age of consent was 16 in England

ps not condoning him having sex with 16 year olds just curious as to why it was reported, that case is seriously f*cked up though!

Motivator · 26-11-2013 07:50PM

This guy deserves a long & painful stretch in prison. No doubt he will get what he deserves, sickening story.

Unfortunately people are born with desires such as the ones this guy had. It is no different to someone being born with a mental/physical illness or someone who is a homosexual. These traits are innate & develop over time, someone who has these desires/fantasies can't be helped no matter what anyone says. Yes, they can be treated, but not cured.Those feelings will never be cured by anyone. It's is like a homosexual trying to be convinced he doesn't find men attractive.

Unfortunately these types excise in society & even more unfortunately there isn't anything that can be done to prevent it. Despite the fact that people are born this way I still class them as animals & I actually cried reading the reports of what this guy did as I have a beautiful 11 month old child at home. It's such a shame that this stuff goes on but I can't help but think of what went on years ago before media, internet & tv. How many people suffered & nobody ever knew?

Ineedaname · 26-11-2013 07:51PM

sadie06 wrote: »

Mother of God! Those poor innocent children.

I don't see that anyone has mentioned his previous long term partners, but my heart goes out to them also. I can't imagine finding out that someone I had been intimate with was capable of this, and perhaps had these inclinations all along.

He used to date Fearne Cotton didn't he?

poundapunnet · 26-11-2013 07:52PM

My name is URL wrote: »

There's a world of difference between being a paedophile (as is described in diagnostic manuals), and people who actually act on their urges. Once someone crosses that line they can no longer simply be considered to be paedophiles.. they are child molesters, abusers and rapists. The paraphilia may be responsible for their sexual preferences, but it's not solely responsible for their actions.

This guy made a conscious decision to cross that line, he even said this himself, and at any time prior to it he could have sought help. He didn't though, despite knowing the consequences of his actions and the hurt it would cause to others. I don't buy for one minute that it's simply down to mental issues.. that's a huge cop-out. Countless responsibilities could be shirked if that excuse was used all the time.

I agree but I also agree that people's (very understandable) reactions of "evil" and calls for violence probably do act as a deterrent for people seeking help, if people around them get even a whiff of gossip it could be dangerous for them.

If you catch these kinds of things in a person's teens (same for sexually abusing animals) I understand that there is a chance of rehabilitation. This guy is 36 and had thought himself into a mind-set where his behaviour was something he could freely indulge in and relish, but other people-and more importantly their potential victims- can be helped. There's a knee jerk reaction to paedophilia which is natural and extreme but it's maybe not particularly productive. It leaves people terrified to let their kids out of their sight, it makes men hesitate to spend time alone with children not their own or offer to help a lost child on the street, and it probably does put people off looking for help.

poundapunnet · 26-11-2013 07:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Any indication what animal he ****ed?

well he's welsh, so...

baaa

brevity · 26-11-2013 07:54PM

Motivator wrote: »

This guy deserves a long & painful stretch in prison. No doubt he will get what he deserves, sickening story.

Unfortunately people are born with desires such as the ones this guy had. It is no different to someone being born with a mental/physical illness or someone who is a homosexual. These traits are innate & develop over time, someone who has these desires/fantasies can't be helped no matter what anyone says. Yes, they can be treated, but not cured.Those feelings will never be cured by anyone. It's is like a homosexual trying to be convinced he doesn't find men attractive.

Unfortunately these types excise in society & even more unfortunately there isn't anything that can be done to prevent it. Despite the fact that people are born this way I still class them as animals & I actually cried reading the reports of what this guy did as I have a beautiful 11 month old child at home. It's such a shame that this stuff goes on but I can't help but think of what went on years ago before media, internet & tv. How many people suffered & nobody ever knew?

Or heterosexual by that logic.

Grayditch · 26-11-2013 07:58PM

I'd always try and avoid drawing any comparisons between nonces and gay people, even for an point with no negative intentions.

Nodferatu · 26-11-2013 08:08PM

the dirty f*cking b*stard

I am pie · 26-11-2013 08:16PM

The majority of criminals legitimise their criminal actions, regardless of how you want to categorise it a strong message must be sent out that this self instowed legimitacy is not acceptable and will be punished.

Rehabilitation can start once they have been isolated from society.

poundapunnet · 26-11-2013 08:20PM

I am pie wrote: »

The majority of criminals legitimise their criminal actions, regardless of how you want to categorise it a strong message must be sent out that this self instowed legimitacy is not acceptable and will be punished.

Rehabilitation can start once they have been isolated from society.

So...wait for them to offend and get caught so they can be isolated? Test for it at birth somehow? Of course legitimising the behaviour and acting on the urges has to be shown to be unacceptable, but people who do seek help before offending need to be given more praise, more visibly. And the earlier they acknowledge the problem and look for help the higher their chance of success.

Grayson · 26-11-2013 08:25PM

My name is URL wrote: »

There's a world of difference between being a paedophile (as is described in diagnostic manuals), and people who actually act on their urges. Once someone crosses that line they can no longer simply be considered to be paedophiles.. they are child molesters, abusers and rapists. The paraphilia may be responsible for their sexual preferences, but it's not solely responsible for their actions.

This guy made a conscious decision to cross that line, he even said this himself, and at any time prior to it he could have sought help. He didn't though, despite knowing the consequences of his actions and the hurt it would cause to others. I don't buy for one minute that it's simply down to mental issues.. that's a huge cop-out. Countless responsibilities could be shirked if that excuse was used all the time.

The weird thing is that we don't know he made a conscious decision. We have never experienced it so we can't really say what happened.
One of the most horrible stories I've ever read was an interview done with a serial rapist after he'd gone through 20 years of treatment. The guy said the he knew what he did was wrong but that he had a compulsion to do them. He didn't ever want to be released because he was terrified that he'd do them again. the only way to avoid that happening was to never put himself in a position where he was around people again. He'd served his time in prison and was trying to get sent to a secure mental facility where he could be safe from himself.
What made it worse was that he described what he did (not too graphically, because it was for a magazine) and his crimes were horrific.

We need to send these people away and treat/study them. We need to figure out what causes this because just locking them up isn't enough. It's not like there's a finite number id paedophiles. More are born every day. More still are created through a process of abuse. Studies have shown that there is a link between being abused and turning into an abuser. Unless we want that cycle to continue we need to figure out what's happening.

Simply saying they are Monsters or evil is a cop out and does nothing to help anyone.

LorMal · 26-11-2013 08:28PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Hang on, why should they? As far as we know, they knew nothing at all about the sick stuff he was up to. They were living their dream, writing (no very good) songs and performing around the world.

They don't deserve to suffer any more than I'm sure they are already.

Sorry, but I think this is missing the point. I think any sympathy for the band members can be limited when viewed against the horror of the children that have been raped and mutilated.
Lets get some perspective here.

certifiedcrepe · 26-11-2013 08:28PM

Not sure if it's been mentioned in this thread yet but apparently he wanted to spread HIV also. Not sure if there's truth to that but it was in another thread I was reading.

Also, if you google "Ian Watkins HIV" a thread from a website comes up that is 2 years old and it's a load of groupies that are talking about Ian and how he wanted to do things to kids. Horrible stuff.

PlainP · 26-11-2013 08:29PM

http://i.imgur.com/IFcWI.jpg

this was his twitter page....

LorMal · 26-11-2013 08:31PM

nelly17 wrote: »

Bollox, Baby rape is pretty ****in black and white to me

Well said. Illnesses happen to people. This evil B*llocks doesnt have an illness - he has chosen his path.

TheGoldenAges · 26-11-2013 08:36PM

I have one of their songs on my iPhone...

*Slowly opens iTunes and deletes it*

That's disgusting, what's worse is he wasn't the only one involved

I am pie · 26-11-2013 08:36PM

Sure, study him, so long as he is behind bars for a very long time, study away.

dd972 · 26-11-2013 08:38PM

Can only surmise that the bloke is totally nuts, what's especially weird about this case is that you'd never associate a lead singer of a nu-metal / skate band being into this, it's not like he's some lecherous old Savile figure.

An Riabhach · 26-11-2013 08:38PM

I hope the bastard gets tortured,and those other two bitches as well.
Effin scumbags.

Holsten · 26-11-2013 08:44PM

Seasan wrote: »

I hope the bastard gets tortured,and those other two bitches as well.
Effin scumbags.

Torture solves all our problems! Of course! The Middle Ages, The Inquisitions, those lads were right all along!

He won't be tortured. He'll be locked up in protective custody.

26-11-2013 08:49PM

Seasan wrote: »

I hope the bastard gets tortured,and those other two bitches as well.
Effin scumbags.

Much as I despise that man, I don't think stooping to the level of torturing him for torturing children would really send home the message that violence is a bad thing.

Lostprophets singer admits to being a baby rapist

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