The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread

davyjose · 22-11-2013 12:47AM

Hazys wrote: »

Harrison is an OJ Simpson waiting to happen:

http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/201002/marvin-harrison

Even though he has never been convicted of anything and on the field he has a Hall of Fame resume, the voters probably won't talk about it but his shadyness will have an impact on his chances of getting in.

The OJ Simpson bust is a blemish in the Hall of Fame and its been debated whether if it should remain, they don't want two controversial busts in there.

Harrison was not only not convicted. He was never considered a suspect by the police.

Comparing him to Simpson on the back of some quasi-journalistic piece is either naive or idiotic.

If Harrison doesn't get in then the award is meaningless to the position of WR. It'd be like Elway or Favre not getting in.

Billy86 · 22-11-2013 01:05AM

Hazys wrote: »

Channing Crowder Hall Of Fame Nasty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH5wU1J5pX8

This is what I will always remember Channing Crowder for. Rex Ryan's finest moment!

Hazys · 22-11-2013 04:33PM

Gronk Zolak Interview - If you could have any superpower what would it be? Time Machine

Zolak: If you could have a superpower, what would that one superpower be?

Gronkowski: Man, like, a time machine.

Zolak: You could be invisible…

Gronkowski: Does time machine count?

Zolak: Yeah, let’s do it. We could build a time machine right here.

Gronkowski: Like, if I could just be like, “I want to be in Florida right now,” and then boom, I’m in Florida.

Zolak: That’d be more like a transporter, like…

Gronkowski: Yeah, is that a superpower?

Everybody's favourite adult with a child's brain.

Full interview with lads taking the piss out of Gronk: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/11/21/toucher-rich-gronk-and-zolak-best-friends-forever/

Billy86 · 22-11-2013 04:50PM

Here's some weird statistics I stumbled upon:

Nick Foles' next 26 passes could ALL be interceptions and he would still have a higher passer rating than Eli Manning (last week this was 31). For Peyton Manning, this would be 53 straight interceptions.

Randy Hedberg of the 1977 Bucs is the only player (25+ attempts) to finished with a 0.00 passer rating. 25/90, 244 yards, 0 TDs and 10 INTs.

Kurt Warner has played in 3 Super Bowls, during which he has thrown for the most, second most, and third most yards in SB history.

Jan Stenerud is the only specialist kicker in the HOF... and has 66.something% career accuracy - 112th all time and more than 10% lower than the modern day average.

In 1942, Don Hutson topped the league with 72 catches... second place finished with 27. This is why a GOAT WR discussion is not one without Don Hutson.

In 1962, George Blanda threw 42 interceptions in a single season! And still made the Pro Bowl!!

The Chiefs have not won a single game with a QB they have drafted in over 25 years (and never in the playoffs).

In 2011, the Broncos beat the Chiefs while completing 2 passes all game, one of which was a screen. #TebowTime.

Jerome Bettis in a single game had 5 carries for 1 yard. Oh, and 3 TDs.

In 2003, The Steelers gained 422 yards to the Texans' mere 47. Final score? Texans win 24-6.

Hazys · 22-11-2013 04:56PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Jan Stenerud is the only specialist kicker in the HOF... and has 66.something% career accuracy - 112th all time and more than 10% lower than the modern day average.

That's crazy but i fully expect Vinatieri to get in first time ballot.

Billy86 · 22-11-2013 05:00PM

Hazys wrote: »

That's crazy but i fully expect Vinatieri to get in first time ballot.

In my opinion he should (although maybe not first ballot)... but then again so should have Steve Tasker, Morten Anderson, Brian Mitchell and a few other special teams guys. Don't hold your breath, I guess.

Arawn · 22-11-2013 05:03PM

Billy86 wrote: »

In my opinion he should (although maybe not first ballot)... but then again so should have Steve Tasker, Morten Anderson, Brian Mitchell and a few other special teams guys. Don't hold your breath, I guess.

He will for winning superbowls imo

Billy86 · 22-11-2013 06:00PM

Arawn wrote: »

He will for winning superbowls imo

I guess that could help him a lot, though Ray Guy won three with the Raiders. Maye they put more emphasis on kickers, but what I have found it that the argument against special teams players begins and ends with "no, because it's special teams" - a remarkably retarded mindset which should immediately lose them their right to vote for HOF candidates in my opinion. But sadly, it is what it is.

See the 'arguments' as to why Tasker shouldn't be in the HOF as an examply (and while he never won the SB, his coach Marv Levy said he was the most important player on a team that got to four in a row - that's a team that had Jim Kelly, Bruce Smith, Thurman Thomas and Andre Reed... not just the 'best' but the most important). Nobody even mentions to SBs or lack of them as a reason to not be named.

On Youtube, there is an 11 minute Youtube just of Tasker's punt blocks. Another 11 minutes of his ridiculous work covering kicks and punts. A shorter, three-a-and-half minute video showing he was very good with returns. And finally a 12 minute video to show that yes, he could play offense - Marv Levy really did just keep him off it because he was THAT good on special teams.

The HOF voters well-reasoned and thought argument against him?

So while I'd love to see Vinatieri in the HOF, I get a funny feeling that same eloquent thought process could well keep him out.

Arawn · 22-11-2013 06:09PM

But vinatieri actually won two superbowls with last second kicks I mean

Hazys · 22-11-2013 06:16PM

Arawn wrote: »

But vinatieri actually won two superbowls with last second kicks I mean

Those and the snow bowl kick.

Plus two other rings.

Some other records:

Most points in postseason, career: 187
Total points in a single postseason: 49 in 2006 (surpassing Terrell Davis' previous record of 48)

matthew8 · 22-11-2013 06:20PM

The problem with special teamers is they get noticed far more on great teams. For instance, Phil Dawson has marginally better career statistics than Vinatieri, but because he was a brown for most of his career he's not getting near the HOF. Really in any non-kicking position it's possible to stand out while never playing for a good team, but kickers only get the praise when the rest of the team comes together too.

It's a tough situation, because if you let special teamers in there are a lot who would deserve to go in at the same time.

spiralism · 22-11-2013 06:37PM

matthew8 wrote: »

The problem with special teamers is they get noticed far more on great teams. For instance, Phil Dawson has marginally better career statistics than Vinatieri, but because he was a brown for most of his career he's not getting near the HOF. Really in any non-kicking position it's possible to stand out while never playing for a good team, but kickers only get the praise when the rest of the team comes together too.

It's a tough situation, because if you let special teamers in there are a lot who would deserve to go in at the same time.

Best solution imo is having the five modern era candidates elected a year, as well as one special teams candidate. There's enough of a backlog that it will keep a steady flow into the HOF for those who deserve it.

Billy86 · 22-11-2013 06:56PM

That's a fair point - Hester deserves to stroll in I reckon, but while the Bears haven't been terrible in his time there, their success has been limited (and he has arguably been their single best player of the last 8-or-so-years, with an extra 217 catches for 2,800 yards and 14 TDs on top of his returns). He has really fallen off a good bit in recent years, but if Josh Cribbs had kept up the pace of his first five or so years he would be another great example (he did a lot of work all over special teams, not just returning though he did had 10 returning TDs in those 5 years).

Special teams is definitely not 'a third of the game', but it is probably somewhere around 15% of it. Another funny stat is that the 2010 Chargers finished #1 on offensive yards (total and per play), #2 on points scored, #1 on total defensive yards, #2 on defensive yards per play and #4 in QBR against (while Rivers finished 2nd in QBR). But their special teams play was awful, worst in the league as per Football Outsiders, allowing a league high 4 returning TDs that dropped them to 10th in points allowed. They had no kicks or punts returned for scored themselves, while their punting and kicking were both below average, and they had some disastrous plays on top of that, which saw them finish with just a 9-7 record.

As an example of just how bad those special teams were, here's one of those TD returns:

Billy86 · 22-11-2013 06:58PM

spiralism wrote: »

Best solution imo is having the five modern era candidates elected a year, as well as one special teams candidate. There's enough of a backlog that it will keep a steady flow into the HOF for those who deserve it.

I would agree that that is a good idea, but sadly it would just see the guys who get to vote (and frankly don't deserve that responsibility based on their biased opinions of special teamers) spoil their vote.

One guy even referred to any special teams player getting into the HOF as 'spitting in the face of Dick Butkus'.

JaMarcus Hustle · 22-11-2013 07:00PM

1 year ago today.

22-11-2012.

Never forget.

Billy86 · 22-11-2013 07:04PM

The 1978 New England Patriots still hold the record for most rushing yards in a season, with 3,165. The leading rusher in that team was Sam Cunningham, who only had 768!

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/1978.htm

Paully D · 22-11-2013 07:04PM

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

1 year ago today.

22-11-2012.

Never forget.

Feels like a few months ago. A year? Where is the time going :eek:

spiralism · 22-11-2013 07:22PM

Billy86 wrote: »

I would agree that that is a good idea, but sadly it would just see the guys who get to vote (and frankly don't deserve that responsibility based on their biased opinions of special teamers) spoil their vote.

One guy even referred to any special teams player getting into the HOF as 'spitting in the face of Dick Butkus'.

Un-****ing-real. That really annoys me. Chris Kluwe went on an expletive laden rant a year or two ago about this issue, would love to see how he'd respond to that.

It doesnt even make sense anyways, i could get the logic somehow if he was referring to a player that hadn't made it but Butkus has been in the hall since the late seventies. How exactly is it an insult to him...because a player who plays a position in the same sport would make the hall of fame for excelling at it?

I'll tell you what the current process is...it's an insult to Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Desmond Howard, Eric Metcalf and Morten Andersen...amongst many others.

Son Of A Vidic · 22-11-2013 07:23PM

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

1 year ago today.

22-11-2012.

Never forget.

Man that's genius, I hadn't even a clue it was 1 year.

Hazys · 22-11-2013 07:46PM

Billy86 wrote: »

The 1978 New England Patriots still hold the record for most rushing yards in a season, with 3,165. The leading rusher in that team was Sam Cunningham, who only had 768!

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/1978.htm

Thats crazy, i saw that before and i thought BB was OTT on the running back by committee approach!

Rushing
No. Age Pos G GS Att Yds TD Lng Fmb
39 Sam Cunningham* 28 FB 16 14 199 768 8 52 4
32 Andy Johnson 26 RB 15 13 147 675 3 52 4
23 Horace Ivory 24 rb 15 3 141 693 11 28 5
14 Steve Grogan 25 QB 16 16 81 539 5 31 9
44 Don Calhoun 26 rb 14 2 76 391 1 73 1

A ton of fumbles, like BB the Head Coach probably kept dropping RBs and they all could make yards but couldn't hold onto the ball hence nobody kept the primary running job.

Arawn · 22-11-2013 09:06PM

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

1 year ago today.

22-11-2012.

Never forget.

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Hazys · 22-11-2013 09:22PM

Mark Sanchez, please never change

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His new haircut

spiralism · 22-11-2013 09:22PM

Hazys wrote: »

Mark Sanchez, please never change

His new haircut

David Haye?!

Arawn · 22-11-2013 09:27PM

yeah was just about to say david haye!

Itssoeasy · 24-11-2013 12:36AM

Today(24th of November) is fifty years since the NFL played games on the Sunday after JFK was killed. A funny thing was the Dallas cowboys that weekend were only referred to as the cowboys. It seems Dallas wasn't mentioned by the PA.

Paully D · 24-11-2013 07:41PM

Yet another Seahawks player suspended for violating the substance abuse policy, this time Walter Thurmond:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24275260/seahawks-cb-walter-thurmond-faces-4game-suspension

spiralism · 24-11-2013 08:07PM

Paully D wrote: »

Yet another Seahawks player suspended for violating the substance abuse policy, this time Walter Thurmond:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24275260/seahawks-cb-walter-thurmond-faces-4game-suspension

At what point does the NFL investigate the Seahawks as a whole? I'm a big fan of Carroll and what he's doing but this can't be allowed to keep happening.

Chucky the tree · 24-11-2013 08:14PM

spiralism wrote: »

At what point does the NFL investigate the Seahawks as a whole? I'm a big fan of Carroll and what he's doing but this can't be allowed to keep happening.

This is only the substance abuse policy.

helimachoptor · 25-11-2013 11:15AM

Apparently after the Titans beat Oakland last night and woman threw herself off the top deck, someone tried to catch her so she didnt die.. but its only football

davyjose · 25-11-2013 11:19AM

helimachoptor wrote: »

Apparently after the Titans beat Oakland last night and woman threw herself off the top deck, someone tried to catch her so she didnt die.. but its only football

Lucky for me, I watched all the games (Ireland, United, colts) yesterday from the ground floor.

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