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What makes someone Irish?

  • 22-11-2013 01:56PM
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭


    Inspired by some of the threads floating about; I was pondering on the nature of identity. It saddens me to see, on occasion, people dismissing others as not Irish because of their religion, their ancestry, where they live and what politics they gravitate towards. I have found it bemusing when a particular politically charged post might accuse a fellow Irish person of being British or self loathing because they might not buy into a particular brand of politics in Ireland.

    Or even an accuastion of not only being self loathing but possibly anti-Irish for similar reasons. Because someone may not agree with or follow the prevailing ideologies. Is it not, in a way, equally anti-Irish to be slating and denigrating fellow Irish people because they are not of a particular political persuasion?

    That's the political stuff out of the way. There's a side I love about being Irish and it's that you may not have been born of the stony grey soil, you may not be of a faith, or of another, or your parents came from elsewhere, or you're a few generations out of the aul' sod - but still, by and large, you will be welcomed. Not always, granted. There's all the ugly stuff that's been covered elsewhere and then there's the "plastic" tag which is quite tired and insulting at this stage. If someone wants to be Irish, identifies with the country and the people, the culture etc - why not?

    There's no one form of Irishness, is there? There's a rainbow of Irishness, a myriad of different peoples with different outlooks and traditions but all united by Ireland.

    Apologies for the spiel, just read one genre of thread too many :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭The Dom


    Location of the maternity hospital / taxi.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,615 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zascar


    Moaning, begrudgery and constantly talking about the weather


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭MonstaMash


    This will end well old hippy :eek:

    I admire what you are trying to achieve though ;)

    I'll remain quiet on this one & observe only...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    I suppose being born on the island of Ireland or having an Irish parent or parents makes you Irish. Though not everyone born on the island of Ireland will identify as Irish and theres nothing wrong with that either.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭Festy


    Ginger hair


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  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    I have a pet Leprechaun chained up in my back garden. Irish as bef*ck.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    A blubbery crimson head shoehorned into a repulsive GAA jersey.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    MonstaMash wrote: »
    This will end well old hippy :eek:

    I admire what you are trying to achieve though ;)

    I'll remain quiet on this one & observe only...

    Completely up to you, MM :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,325 ✭✭✭smileyj1987


    A love of alcohol and potatoes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,642 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    You want an honest answer. I work in tourism, we are considered a genuinely warm, funny and interesting people. We're considered well read and we'll educated. Were considered approachable and nice. Everyone in Dublin can talk about the gpo or quote a bit of yeats to someone.

    In my opinion it's these things that make us Irish. The minor traits in our character that make us famous throughout the world. Most importantly it's these traits that mean when we sit in a bar in America, or Australia or anywhere else in the world people want to know us.

    The language and the gaa is all stuff foreign people haven't heard of until they come here. Sure it makes our country more colourful, but in the grand scheme of things when your abroad it doesn't effect how people see you, because they know nothing about it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    White, Catholic and must know at least 3 lines of the national anthem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    Being born here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭who the fug


    Simples

    We get the joke foreigners don't


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,251 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    A framed picture of Pope John Paul II/JFK in the "good" sitting room.

    A box of biscuits stored away to be used only on special occasions


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    the ability to drink their weight in creamy pints of Guinness


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    After drinking pints of Carlsberg in my Liverpool jersey I head to the Chinese on a Saturday.

    Oh sorry, what was the question again...?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭Mint Aero


    Their nationality believe it or not :P:P:P


  • Posts: 24,867 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Turtyturd wrote: »
    Being born here.

    While I agree with that, didn't the great fascist McDowell get the rules changed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭guttenberg


    Having a Padre Pio sticker in the car.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭Ziphius


    While I agree with that, didn't the great fascist McDowell get the rules changed?

    Him and the 80% of Irish people who voted for it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    old hippy wrote: »
    Or even an accuastion of not only being self loathing...

    Exhibit A:

    Many of the responses in this thread.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Turtyturd wrote: »
    Being born here.

    So, if someone is born abroad (to Irish parents or not) and comes to live here at age 2 (and if they get Irish citizenship if not born to Irish parents) they are still not Irish? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,599 ✭✭✭Duff


    Any excuse to post this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    An act of givign birth on the part of your mother. Beyond that, who gives a ****?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭karaokeman


    errlloyd wrote: »
    You want an honest answer. I work in tourism, we are considered a genuinely warm, funny and interesting people. We're considered well read and we'll educated. Were considered approachable and nice. Everyone in Dublin can talk about the gpo or quote a bit of yeats to someone.

    In my opinion it's these things that make us Irish. The minor traits in our character that make us famous throughout the world. Most importantly it's these traits that mean when we sit in a bar in America, or Australia or anywhere else in the world people want to know us.

    The language and the gaa is all stuff foreign people haven't heard of until they come here. Sure it makes our country more colourful, but in the grand scheme of things when your abroad it doesn't effect how people see you, because they know nothing about it.

    Bang on, I'm in Canada now studying abroad and a girl I'm living with told me she had no idea Ireland had its own language, it does seem to be one of those things we take for granted.

    Major things that define an Irish person for me, being born in Ireland, having Irish parents or close enough relations.

    Minor things are listening to trad/folk music, reading Irish literature or appreciating Irish art, and playing Irish sport, not defining traits, but all of which exist to make us distinctive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,133 ✭✭✭Idle Passerby


    Growing up in Ireland and being influenced by the society. It annoys me when people wave around passports from countries they may have never even set foot in and say it proves they are that nationality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭poundapunnet


    I don't know! I've heard people give out that people who are born here to foreign parents aren't really Irish, I've heard people give out that yanks coming back to try find their relatives after a couple of generations aren't really Irish.

    I'd say that Republic of Telly video is as good a litmus test as anything really. Freud described us a nation immune to psychoanalysis, that should really be put on more of the brochures.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,627 ✭✭✭Lawrence1895


    I'm not Irish, but it strikes me, how much people seem to long to own their own house


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    A yearning to own a house or a field. Preferably with frontage.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭poundapunnet


    biko wrote: »
    A yearning to own a house or a field. Preferably with frontage.

    Oh yeah baby! That's like culchie Spanish fly


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