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  • #812
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    J C wrote: »
    Most of the movement was in the vertical plane ... and not the horizontal one ... and it was measured in inches ... rather than miles per hour.

    That would actually cause far more catastrophic effects. You're really terrible at the most basic logic.


  • #813
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Sarky wrote: »
    That would actually cause far more catastrophic effects. You're really terrible at the most basic logic.

    Such as.,. :)


  • #814
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    not according the current understanding in plate tectonics and geology, it didn't.

    The land masses move away from each other when the supercontinent fragmented.

    Also notice the time it took to happen. It's measured in millions of years, not just over a month as you're suggesting.
    It took a few years to settle down ... and whoever was the first person to cut out a map of the modern day Americas and 'fittted' it into a map of modern day Africa and Europe ... certainly wasn't using geology when they did it!!
    ... more like a 'scrap book' artist!!:)


  • #815
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    It took a few years to settle down ... and whoever was the first person to cut out a map of the modern day americas and 'fittted' it into a map of modern day Africa and Europe ... certainly wasn't using geology when they did it!!
    ... more like a 'scrap book' artist!!:)

    You're contradicting yourself. you're saying there was a supercontinent that fragmented, then you say that the other continents rose from the ocean floor.

    And all of this happened in 40 days (with a 'settling of a few years') instead of millions of years?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #816
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    You're contradicting yourself. you're saying there was a supercontinent that fragmented, then you say that the other continents rose from the ocean floor.

    And all of this happened in 40 days (with a 'settling of a few years') instead of millions of years?
    Parts of the 'supercontinent' just rose and settled/fell where they were.

    ... just like happens today (on a much smaller scale) with land subsidance and volcanic eruption.


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  • #817
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


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    Jernal wrote: »
    Such as.,. :)

    Ugh, fine. Again.

    Such as tsunamis that would likely be visible from space. Consider that most tsunamis are the result of the earth's tectonic plates suddenly moving by tens of meters. J C is suggesting kilometers of movement in a short time, when speeds of centimeters PER YEAR result in the kind of destruction we've seen in Japan not long ago, Thailand in 2004, and all the other disasters you can look up with a quick google.

    It'd be comparable to a meteor strike at least. The tectonic plates certainly wouldn't survive stress like that, they'd shatter into countless islands. The very idea is a case of being Not Even Wrong.


  • #818
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    Parts of the 'supercontinent' just rose and settled/fell where they were.

    ... just like happens today (on a much smaller scale) with land subsidance and volcanic eruption.

    a brief video to explain how land masses 'rise' and time involved.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OHRb_ODo-Q


    It takes millions of years!

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #819
    danniemcq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    Deep breath, time to jump feet first
    J C wrote: »
    He rode the waves.

    I said that all trees were fully submerged ... but not long enough to kill them all.

    Ok here I have an issue, you mention that yes there is very little to notice about a tsunami out to sea. However Noah built the ark on Land. It therefore would have had to survive the initial wave and while it could have started off slow enough soon the sheer power and the force would be HUGE. This on land would cause huge waves as it rolls over the depressions and the hills.

    I'll even say if it was built in the water it would have to be in shallow water. here you would run into the same problems as you are instantly pushed in land.
    J C wrote: »
    ... that would be Adam and Eve ... when they were Created ... sinless.
    ... they took on Satan's image, at least in part ... when they Fell

    ... and that accounts for Mankind's propensity for destruction and war.

    They weren't the first humans either but the first with an awareness of God. The best example of this is ""Whoever kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold" (Gen. 4:14,15)"

    So created sinless no made sinless due to no previous knowledge maybe
    J C wrote: »
    ... and yet Evolutionists believe that Crocodiles and Coelacanths and Wollemia Pines ... and more 'living fossils' than you could 'shake a stick at' haven't changed at all over hundreds of millions of Unformitarian 'Years'.

    ... so we are supposed to believe that while Humans were Spontaneously 'Evolving' from something that looked like a mutant Rat ... all of the 'living fossils' didn't change at all ... at all.

    I'd call that very very Special Pleading ... Robin.
    ... so special that it logically invalidates the pleading.

    not really things adapt and change to the environment. the living fossils you mention have a few things going against them top evolve. A small DNA pool for one. Simply put if you add salt and salt you get more salt, throw in a bit of pepper and you have a mix, if the pepper doesn't help something else is tried then you create an advantage and a change. When you do this over millions of years the result will be a full 5 course meal.

    They are also perfectly suited for their enviornment. Look at a shark for instance. millions of years and little or no change. Why? Because they are the perfect killing machine. you cannot improve it. Add armour? useless would just add weight meaning more energy and also with no natural predators then why have a huge defence

    If you disagree with how something can evolve I'd direct you to the experiment done with wolves in Russia. They were specially bred for certain traits, calm passive dogs were paired with others of the same temperament and over the course of just 30 years of so HUGE differences appeared and not just in temperament but appearance too. The snout became shorter and the tail even changed.

    This is a terribly dumbed down answer I know but its a terrible example of a question.
    J C wrote: »
    Darwin had no problem having sex with his grandfather's grandaughter ... just one degree of consanguinity beyond his sister ... and having children with health problems, as a result.

    Doesn't that show that you can mess with evolution? There was a tweak to the outcome, however medical conditions are detramental to a species so it is in its best interests to avoid this to carry on their genes.

    Also a side not if evolution is a myth why do we struggle to battle Viruses and bacteria and require a new flu jab every year and are running out of antibiotics when the stuff that used to kill bacteria doesn't anymore
    J C wrote: »
    Most of the movement was in the vertical plane ... and not the horizontal one ... and it was measured in inches ... rather than miles per hour.

    again here physics lets you down. movement this size for ANY period of time would cause massive destruction on a scale you couldn't imagine.

    there would be earthquakes and volcanos appearing everywhere and nothing to fill in the gaps.

    the plates which you cannot argue don't move, move under and across other plates, having a force pushing them even a few inches would create huge pressure and an almost spring like effect on the land as the plates move.


  • #820
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


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    danniemcq wrote: »
    again here physics lets you down. movement this size for ANY period of time would cause massive destruction on a scale you couldn't imagine.

    there would be earthquakes and volcanos appearing everywhere and nothing to fill in the gaps.

    the plates which you cannot argue don't move, move under and across other plates, having a force pushing them even a few inches would create huge pressure and an almost spring like effect on the land as the plates move.

    Oh yeah. forgot about the gaps caused by such massive movement. You'd have Uber-Krakatoas happening several times a day.


  • #821
    gaynorvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭gaynorvader


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    I did no such thing ... I merely pointed to what these psychopaths said.

    Could you rescind this? It seems to me like you're calling anyone with a dissenting opinion psychopaths. Which I find offensive as I disagree with you and have done my level best to remain civil.


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  • #822
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    J C wrote: »
    You inherited it.

    ... give her a few years!!!:)
    ... and even now ... she is probably quite capable of crying ... until she gets her own way!!!!

    Wait, so now crying is a sin?

    Recently over on the "other forum" Soulandform claimed that Anxiety and Depression were sins.

    Where -exactly- in the Bible does it say any of these are sins?


  • #823
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    [...] Complex Functional Specified Information [...]
    Ye gods, there's a blast from 2008 which I'd thankfully forgotten about - I take it you will still refuse to define "CFSI"?


  • #824
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Interesting, that part wasn't there yesterday. Post shows it was edited half an hour afterwards. It's like J C retroactively edited his post long after the discussion of his failures moved on in the hopes that he'd get away with dropping that clanger in there and pretending we were ignoring a hard question or some such nonsense. Good catch!


  • #825
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Complete Failure, Says Intelligentsia.


  • #826
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    For J.C and Terrlock who claim life could never hitchhike a lift to earth from Mars.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1171463/mars-meteorite-reveals-secrets-of-red-planet

    A meteorite from Mars found by Bedouin tribesmen in the Sahara last year has been used to determine the Red Planet's crust was formed 4.4 billion years ago, scientists have said.


  • #827
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    bumper234 wrote: »
    For J.C and Terrlock who claim life could never hitchhike a lift to earth from Mars.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1171463/mars-meteorite-reveals-secrets-of-red-planet

    A meteorite from Mars found by Bedouin tribesmen in the Sahara last year has been used to determine the Red Planet's crust was formed 4.4 billion years ago, scientists have said.

    Perhaps God created life on Mars first but they really, really, Really p*ssed him off and he killed them with fire....:eek:


  • #828
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Actually while we're on the subject of mars.
    J.C and Terrlock, what are your thoughts on it?

    - How old is mars?
    - Does life exist on mars, did life exist on mars?
    - Did your god destroy the atmosphere on mars? If so, why?


  • #829
    [-0-]
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭[-0-]


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    They don't trust carbon dating, that's their stand on it.


  • #830
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    [-0-] wrote: »
    They don't trust carbon dating, that's their stand on it.

    Too sciency for em :D


  • #831
    [-0-]
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭[-0-]


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    bumper234 wrote: »
    Too sciency for em :D

    Here's some dos and don'ts from a Creationist "museum".

    ZyX7y7J.jpg


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  • #832
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    OMG! Spoiler!
    So they honestly think that
    - Countless sea species
    - Countless dinosaurs
    - Countless mammal species
    - Countless insects
    - Countless bacteria

    All existed upto the year of the flood and were buried during the year of the flood, frankly thats insane.

    Of course if you do believe it then i must have been a seriously crowded place on earth considering that fossil remains only represent a very small fraction of the amount of a species that ever existed as the conditions have to be just right.

    So for every fossil you find you could be talking hundreds of thousands of the species died. Strange though that we don't see human fossils along side dinosaur fossils. Hmmm

    Anyway, back to the fairytale. the amount of accidental deaths caused by brachiosaurus, ultrasaurus and countless other dinosaurs accidentally stepping on humans and their settlements must have been unreal. Maybe that was gods will?

    Strange that the bible mentions nothing of dinosaurs at all though,


  • #833
    [-0-]
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭[-0-]


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    99.9% of all species are dead. Some design, isn't it?
    The Andromeda Galaxy is heading right for us, ensuring complete destruction. Some design, isn't it?
    Our sun is a finite resource. Some design, isn't it?


  • #834
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Cabaal wrote: »
    So they honestly think that
    - Countless sea species
    - Countless dinosaurs
    - Countless mammal species
    - Countless insects
    - Countless bacteria

    All existed upto the year of the flood and were buried during the year of the flood, frankly thats insane.

    Of course if you do believe it then i must have been a seriously crowded place on earth considering that fossil remains only represent a very small fraction of the amount of a species that ever existed as the conditions have to be just right.

    So for every fossil you find you could be talking hundreds of thousands of the species died. Strange though that we don't see human fossils along side dinosaur fossils. Hmmm

    Anyway, back to the fairytale. the amount of accidental deaths caused by brachiosaurus, ultrasaurus and countless other dinosaurs accidentally stepping on humans and their settlements must have been unreal. Maybe that was gods will?

    Strange that the bible mentions nothing of dinosaurs at all though,

    But...but...there is a movie and that means it's true!!

    1million.jpg


  • #835
    Geomy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy


    [-0-] wrote: »
    99.9% of all species are dead. Some design, isn't it?
    The Andromeda Galaxy is heading right for us, ensuring complete destruction. Some design, isn't it?
    Our sun is a finite resource. Some design, isn't it?

    What would you call it so ?


  • #836
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Geomy wrote: »
    What would you call it so ?

    A flawed design?


  • #837
    MrPudding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,779 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Geomy wrote: »
    What would you call it so ?
    I would call it "exactly what I would expect if there were no supernatural force involved in the design, making or running of the observable universe", but it isn't really catchy.

    MrP


  • #838
    [-0-]
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭[-0-]


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Geomy wrote: »
    What would you call it so ?

    I would say it's not designed at all. There's no evidence of a designer, and if we are to believe there was a designer behind it then we have to ask what kind of designer would design something so indifferent to life?

    99.9% of the species wiped out? That's just sick!


  • #839
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,908 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Could God really stop a Timelord?
    [-0-] wrote: »
    I would say it's not designed at all. There's no evidence of a designer, and if we are to believe there was a designer behind it then we have to ask what kind of designer would design something so indifferent to life?

    99.9% of the species wiped out? That's just sick!

    Not sick, just natural selection with a dollop of help from mankind ;)


  • #840
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Maybe we're just a beta and in the full release he plans to implement features like infinite sun, galaxy collision avoidance and unbiteable inner mouths?


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  • #841
    Sierra 117
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Sierra 117


    I hear he's been having trouble fixing the "stub toe" glitch.


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