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  • #782
    J C
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    wrote:
    Originally Posted by MrPudding
    And this fits, quite nicely I must say, with my world-view.

    Bannasidhe
    Like unicorns.
    Quite.;):pac:


  • #783
    J C
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    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Why did the landmass separate then?
    Through an explosive combination of tectonics ... and water!!!


  • #784
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Whenever J C posts anything, this clip always pops into my head for some reason.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0


  • #785
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    J C wrote: »
    Through an explosive combination of tectonics ... and water!!!

    That is how - not why.

    Why didn't it stay like God apparently made it?


  • #786
    J C
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    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    That is how - not why.
    Correct ... my bad.
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Why didn't it stay like God apparently made it?
    It was triggered by God ... some materialists believe it was an asteroid.


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  • #787
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    Through an explosive combination of tectonics ... and water!!!

    So now we also have hyper-accelerated plate movement? How exactly did Noah survive a year of super-tsunamis on a wooden boat?

    And how exactly did the trees that you previously claimed weren't submerged stay above them?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #788
    Obliq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    This just appeared in my inbox. Thought you'd all like it.....it is topical, of course ;-)

    2013-11-20.png


  • #789
    J C
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    koth wrote: »
    So now we also have hyper-accelerated plate movement? How exactly did Noah survive a year of super-tsunamis on a wooden boat?
    He rode the waves.
    koth wrote: »
    And how exactly did the trees that you previously claimed weren't submerged stay above them?
    I said that all trees were fully submerged ... but not long enough to kill them all.


  • #790
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    He rode the waves.
    a glorified barge "rode the waves" of super-tsunamis?? One wave would destroy any ship, even a steel one nevermind a wooden one.
    I said that all trees were fully submerged ... but not long enough to kill them.

    How do trees survive a year submerged in salt water? Pretty sure days are enough to kill them with salt water.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #791
    Bannasidhe
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    J C wrote: »
    He rode the waves.

    I said that all trees were fully submerged ... but not long enough to kill them.

    He rode the waves?

    You're a funny guy.

    Was it tubular?

    Any sea sickness?

    How did the animals cope?

    Did any animals get sea sick?

    Did the s*it fly?


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  • #792
    Sarky
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    OMG! Spoiler!
    J C wrote: »
    Correct ... my bad.

    Quoting this for the sheer rarity value.


  • #793
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    According to this, a 10 on the Richter scale produced waves 35 feet in height and travelled distances of 10,000 kilometres.

    JC is proposing something that multiple earthquakes many times stronger than that one happened at the same time and a wooden boat "rode the waves".

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #794
    J C
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    koth wrote: »
    a glorified barge "rode the waves" of super-tsunamis?? One wave would destroy any ship, even a steel one nevermind a wooden one.
    Tsunami waves are relatively low mid-ocean ... its only where they wash up on land that they rise out of the sea.
    koth wrote: »
    How do trees survive a year submerged in salt water? Pretty sure days are enough to kill them with salt water.
    The recession phase commenced after 40 days ... and this wouldn't be long enough to kill many trees.
    Flood tolerant trees can survive for two years or more with their roots under water, while flood-intolerant ones could have been preserved as seed or seedlings carried on the Ark ... or on flotsom.

    http://www.ipm.iastate.edu/ipm/hortnews/1993/7-14-1993/flood.html


  • #795
    J C
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    Sarky wrote: »
    Quoting this for the sheer rarity value.
    All the more precious for that !!!:)

    You'd better 'frame it' ... as your're unlikely to see another one!!!:D


  • #796
    J C
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    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    He rode the waves?

    You're a funny guy.
    ... and you're a nice person :D
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Was it tubular?
    rectangular.

    Any sea sickness?
    Possibly ... but its shape would have minimised the need for wrist compression bands.

    How did the animals cope?
    Quite well apparently.

    Did any animals get sea sick?
    possibly the omnivore monogastrics

    Did the s*it fly?
    It flowed ... and sometimes hit the fan!!!:)


  • #797
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    Tsunami waves are relatively low mid-ocean ... its only as they wash up on land that they beome high.
    That might be true when the landmass in question is static. But we're talking about rapidly moving continents. this would mean tsunamis with much higer waves out to sea due to all ever changing sea floor.
    The recession phase commenced after 40 days ... and this wouldn't be long enough to kill many trees.
    Flood tolerant trees can survive for two years or more with their roots under water, while flood-intolerant ones could have been preserved as seed or seedlings carried on the Ark ... or on flotsom.

    http://www.ipm.iastate.edu/ipm/hortnews/1993/7-14-1993/flood.html

    That refers to river flooding, not complete submerging in saltwater to depths of potentially 30+ feet.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #798
    seamus
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    J C wrote: »
    Mankind visited sin upon itself
    It did? Maybe I was out sick that day, I don't remember agreeing to that.
    and it continues to propogate sin,
    It does? Please explain to me how my one year old daughter, whose daily activities generally consist of eating, pooping, laughing and giving perplexed looks to her toys, "continues to propagate sin".


  • #799
    J C
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    koth wrote: »
    That might be true when the landmass in question is static. But we're talking about rapidly moving continents. this would mean tsunamis with much higer waves out to sea due to all ever changing sea floor.
    Tsunamis only occur from instataneous under-sea uplifts or landslides ... slower land movements don't produce tsunamis.

    koth wrote: »
    That refers to river flooding, not complete submerging in saltwater to depths of potentially 30+ feet.
    many local freshwater low salt waters occurred due to the heavy rainfall.


  • #800
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Wave height is a function of wavelength and the depth of the water. Out in the deep ocean, where you have 2-4Km water depth, a typical tsunami would be a very fast, quite small wave, and indeed one might not notice it, when the water depth is several kilometers. You can find most of the mathematics here on Wiki. You may be confident that J C certainly isn't familiar with them.

    But of course J C's version of the flood relies heavily on a mistranslation. This website here provides a handy overview of why he's got it so wrong. In particular:
    Mountains is a mistranslation of the Hebrew word harîm meaning hills in this context. The King James Version of Genesis 7:19 translates hills correctly. There is no mention of draft or deep or depth in the Hebrew text of Genesis 7:20. A literal translation from Hebrew is "Five ten cubits upward rose the waters and they covered the hills." Note that "hills" is not in the same clause as cubits or rose. The 15 cubits was how much the water rose, not how deep the water was.


    The "great" flood was really about 15 cubits, or maybe 7 meters. That's in total. The various mountains of the world wouldn't have noticed. Lot of schisms and splinters of Christianity begin due to such misinterpretations or mistranslations. Creationism just happens to be a bunch of really stupid ones.


  • #801
    J C
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    seamus wrote: »
    It did? Maybe I was out sick that day, I don't remember agreeing to that.
    You inherited it.
    seamus wrote: »
    IIt does? Please explain to me how my one year old daughter, whose daily activities generally consist of eating, pooping, laughing and giving perplexed looks to her toys, "continues to propagate sin".
    ... give her a few years!!!:)
    ... and even now ... she is probably quite capable of crying ... until she gets her own way!!!!


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  • #802
    Gordon
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    A Better question would be, would the Dr. have rescued Noah?
    Sarky wrote: »
    The "great" flood was really about 15 cubits, or maybe 7 meters. Lot of schisms and splinters of Christianity begin due to such misinterpretations or mistranslations. Creationism just happens to be a bunch of really stupid ones.
    God changed the length of cubits back in the day that he did stuff, unlike now, when he doesn't do stuff.


  • #803
    Sarky
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    OMG! Spoiler!
    J C wrote: »
    ... give her a few years!!!:)

    You mean like your Drowner god didn't give thousands of children a few years?


  • #804
    J C
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    wrote:
    Koth
    That might be true when the landmass in question is static. But we're talking about rapidly moving continents. this would mean tsunamis with much higer waves out to sea due to all ever changing sea floor.

    Sarky
    Wave height is a function of wavelength and the depth of the water. Out in the deep ocean, where you have 2-4Km water depth, a typical tsunami would be a very fast, quite small wave, and indeed one might not notice it, when the water depth is several kilometers. You can find most of the mathematics here on Wiki.
    Thanks for saving Koth's blushes.
    I tried to tell him ... but he wouldn't listen!!!:D


  • #805
    bumper234
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    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    This made me lol so hard

    California pastor outraged to find Bible filed under ‘fiction’ at Costco


    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/19/california-pastor-outraged-to-find-bible-filed-under-fiction-at-costco/


  • #806
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    J C wrote: »
    Thanks for saving Koth's blushes.

    Thank YOU for proving once again you haven't the faintest idea what you're on about. Your account of plate tectonics would have been orders of magnitude above what we observe in even the largest tsunamis. Assuming such rapid and powerful forces didn't actually break the freaking planet, your little ark wouldn't have stood a chance. But you know that, being a 'conventionally qualified scientist', don't you?


  • #807
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    Thanks for saving Koth's blushes.

    says the poster putting forward the idea that the fastest land movement wouldn't create waves that would destroy a wooden boat.

    To put it in context you're stating that America (the continent) moved at 3 miles an hour for 40 days.

    The worlds fastest glacier for example only moves at 20 metres a day.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #808
    J C
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    Sarky wrote: »
    Thank YOU for proving once again you haven't the faintest idea what you're on about. Your account of plate tectonics would have been orders of magnitude above what we observe in even the largest tsunamis. Assuming such rapid and powerful forces didn't actually break the freaking planet, your little ark wouldn't have stood a chance. But you know that, being a 'conventionally qualified scientist', don't you?
    The ocean is a very big place ... capable of 'damping' most of the slowly rising and falling landmasses.


  • #809
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Continents moving at 3mph are not slow moving!

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #810
    J C
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    koth wrote: »
    says the poster putting forward the idea that the fastest land movement wouldn't create waves that would destroy a wooden boat.

    To put it in context you're stating that America (the continent) moved at 3 miles an hour for 40 days.

    The worlds fastest glacier for example only moves at 20 metres a day.
    Most of the movement was in the vertical plane ... and not the horizontal one ... and it was measured in inches ... rather than miles per hour.


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  • #811
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    Most of the movement was in the vertical plane ... and not the horizontal one.

    not according the current understanding in plate tectonics and geology, it didn't.

    The land masses move away from each other when the supercontinent fragmented.

    pangea_lrg.gif

    Also notice the time it took to happen. It's measured in millions of years, not just over a month as you're suggesting.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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