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  • #752
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    [-0-] wrote: »
    JC, Terrlock,

    I warmly welcome both of you to take part in the following Stanford course (which is free!) titled "Introduction to Genetics and Evolution".

    https://www.coursera.org/course/geneticsevolution

    It is a 12 week course starting January 3rd.

    Course Syllabus
    • Evidence for evolution
    • Introduction to basic genetics
    • Recombination and genetic mapping simple traits
    • Complications to genetic mapping
    • Genes vs. environment
    • Basic population genetics and Hardy-Weinberg
    • Gene flow, differentiation, inbreeding
    • Natural selection and genetic drift
    • Molecular evolution
    • Adaptive behaviors and sexual selection
    • Species formation and phylogenetics
    • Evolutionary applications and misapplications

    Encouraging more people to learn about evolution and therefore turn them away from "Gods" teachings.

    I think I just heard JC's head explode.


  • #753
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,144 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Don't get your hopes up.


  • #754
    MrPudding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,779 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Terrlock wrote: »
    Any atheist who denies the possible existence of God violates his own world-view.
    Well, I don't deny the possible existance of god. I fully accept that I cannot know there is no god, just that same as you cannot possibly know there is one. But, and this is the important bit, whilst I accept that there may be a god, there is absolutely no indication, at all, whatsoever that there is one. I mean, seriously, there is no evidence AT ALL, anywhere, that there is a god. Therefore, I live my life on the basis that gods probably don't exist.

    And this fits, quite nicely I must say, with my world-view.

    MrP


  • #755
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    MrPudding wrote: »
    Well, I don't deny the possible existance of god. I fully accept that I cannot know there is no god, just that same as you cannot possibly know there is one. But, and this is the important bit, whilst I accept that there may be a god, there is absolutely no indication, at all, whatsoever that there is one. I mean, seriously, there is no evidence AT ALL, anywhere, that there is a god. Therefore, I live my life on the basis that gods probably don't exist.

    And this fits, quite nicely I must say, with my world-view.

    MrP

    Like unicorns.


  • #756
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Would that be the same Mankind that God made in his image?
    ... that would be Adam and Eve ... when they were Created ... sinless.
    ... they took on Satan's image, at least in part ... when they Fell

    ... and that accounts for Mankind's propensity for destruction and war.


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  • #757
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    @JC Why did God drown all the people of the world when it only seems to be a small section of the Middle-East that is ever mentioned for being wicked?

    All the other regions of the world don't even get a mention they were so below the radar in terms of sinning.
    ... there were no other 'Regions of World' pre-Flood ... it was all one landmass ... with one people.


  • #758
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    J C wrote: »
    ... that would be Adam and Eve ... when they were Created ... sinless.
    ... they took on Satan's image, at least in part ... when they Fell

    ... and that accounts for their propensity for destruction and war.

    Hmmmm sooooo - if Adam and Eve took on part of Satan's image when they fell and we inherited their sin then we also are partially in Satan's image?

    By the way - wasn't the Fall punishment enough - why did the descendants of Adam and Eve also have to be saddled with original sin.

    Not very merciful is it to visit the sins of long dead ancestors on all of their descendants for ever?

    Not one for letting go of a slight this God of yours....:eek:


  • #759
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    ... there were no other 'Regions of World' pre-Flood ... it was all one landmass ... with one people.

    Question still stands, one land mass or not. One tiny region were sinning and yet the whole population of the world was almost wiped out.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #760
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    J C wrote: »
    ... there were no other 'Regions of World' pre-Flood ... it was all one landmass ... with one people.

    Why did the landmass separate then?


  • #761
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    What about those Egyptian babies and first born's he slaughtered? Y'know, the ones who couldn't have possibly done anything wrong.

    Oh wait, he didn't even have the testicular fortitude to do that himself, did he.
    Here's the thing ... you complain that God did intervene to rescue the Jews from the tyranny of the ancient Egyptians ... with measured and increasingly serious plagues (at a time when God acted directly in the World) ... as it was under His Law ...
    ... and ye also complain that God didn't intevene to rescue the Jews from Hitler (at a time when God doesn't act directly in the World) ... as it is under his Mercy.

    God can't win with you guys ... or do ye just like complaining ... for the sake of it???:confused:


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  • #762
    Quatermain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭Quatermain


    Now, I'm only a classicist, and not a scientist, but I'd like to stick my oar in a little. Nautical pun. Hohohohoho.

    Fantastically, the triumphant misnomer that is "Answers in Genesis" dated the Flood around 2400 BCE. Which is conveniently smack dab in the middle of the Fifth Dynasty of the Old Kingdom of Egypt, which carried from 2498 to 2345 BCE, until the beginning of the Sixth Dynasty which continued until 2181 BCE. For a country submerged by sea water, Egypt was apparently home to some pretty hardy people.

    Also, there were supposedly only 400 years between the flood and Abraham. Given that he visited a fully-realised Egyptian empire on his travels, I would just *love* to know how a world wiped clean of people was repopulated so swiftly by Noah and his offspring.


  • #763
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    Here's the thing ... you complain that God did intervene to rescue the Jews from the tyranny of the ancient Egyptians ... with measured and increasingly serious plagues (at a time when God acted directly in the World) ... as it was under His Law ...
    ... and ye also complain that God didn't intevene to rescue the Jews from Hitler (at a time when God doesn't act directly in the World) ... as it is under his Mercy.

    God can't win with you guys ... or do ye just like complaining ... for the sake of it???:confused:

    God kills the children of the enemies (Egyptians) of the Jews in one example but doesn't in another (Nazis). the parallels are there even if you want to dismiss them.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #764
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Hmmmm sooooo - if Adam and Eve took on part of Satan's image when they fell and we inherited their sin then we also are partially in Satan's image?
    ... the sinful dimension of us certainly is.
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    By the way - wasn't the Fall punishment enough - why did the descendants of Adam and Eve also have to be saddled with original sin.
    Sin and death were the two primary effects of the Fall ... and it was Adam and Eve who saddled themselves and us with sin and death.

    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Not very merciful is it to visit the sins of long dead ancestors on all of their descendants for ever?

    Not one for letting go of a slight this God of yours....:eek:
    Mankind visited sin upon itself ... and it continues to propogate sin, often to the best of it's ability!!:eek:


  • #765
    [-0-]
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭[-0-]


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Are you going to take the course I recommended, JC?


  • #766
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Brian Shanahan wrote: »
    And this from someone who has blamed evolutionary theory (supposedly it causes lack of morals) for the Columbine School Massacre.
    I did no such thing ... I merely pointed to what these psychopaths said.


  • #767
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    token56 wrote: »
    I miss JC's overzealous use of emoticons. :):rolleyes::eek::eek::cool:

    Whatever happened JC, why did you change your ways?
    I still use them ... you must have become immune to them!!:D;):pac:


  • #768
    Obliq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Like unicorns.

    Except we have a possible explanation for those......

    809345a9e065bbd67fc7c2fcee7b2688.jpeg


  • #769
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Hmmm - remind me - did God ask Mary if she wanted to be his baby mammy or was she just told she was going to be his baby mammy by one of God's minions?
    She was asked ... and she said yes!!!:cool:


  • #770
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    druss wrote: »
    Luke1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
    1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
    1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
    1:29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
    1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
    1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. .
    1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

    1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

    1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

    1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

    1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

    1:37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.

    1:38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.


  • #771
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    That's not asking, J C. That's saying "We're gonna put a babby in you" and Mary going "Oh. Well, it looks like I have no choice in the matter."

    You have a very odd view on consent. Or did it happen to mean COMPLETELY THE OPPOSITE back then?


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  • #772
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    OMG! Spoiler!
    J C wrote: »
    She was asked ... and she said yes!!!:cool:

    Please show me where she says the word yes in the bible,


  • #773
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    [-0-] wrote: »
    JC, Terrlock,

    I warmly welcome both of you to take part in the following Stanford course (which is free!) titled "Introduction to Genetics and Evolution".

    https://www.coursera.org/course/geneticsevolution

    It is a 12 week course starting January 3rd.

    Course Syllabus
    • Evidence for evolution
    • Introduction to basic genetics
    • Recombination and genetic mapping simple traits
    • Complications to genetic mapping
    • Genes vs. environment
    • Basic population genetics and Hardy-Weinberg
    • Gene flow, differentiation, inbreeding
    • Natural selection and genetic drift
    • Molecular evolution
    • Adaptive behaviors and sexual selection
    • Species formation and phylogenetics
    • Evolutionary applications and misapplications
    Its amazing how much cognitive dissonance that some people can cope with!!!:):pac:
    ... the fact that genetic Complex Functional Specified Information exists ... denies the possibility that abiogenesis and spontaneous evolution could ever occur.


  • #774
    Obliq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

    1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

    1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

    1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

    1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

    1:37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.

    1:38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
    That reads to me more like a sad Irish soap opera.

    "So...right, I'm going to give you a lovely baba and I'll make sure he gets on well and all. He'll be a boss, like."
    "Wait, what? I don't get what you're on about?"
    "Well here's how it goes Mary. My mate will be down to ya in a minute and you'll be a bit overwhelmed maybe....by...eh...his power. But then you'll have a lovely baba all of your own and he'll be respected like.
    Oh what, I have to explain how you get a baby? Well. Do ya see your cousin there, and she wasn't meant to be able to have babies but she had the ride and there ye go. What did I tell you....magic seed luv. Magic"
    "Well, I dunno. Whatever you say then...."


  • #775
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Please show me where she says the word yes in the bible,
    Here:-
    1:38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word.


  • #776
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Even for you that's stretching the truth pretty far.


  • #777
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    J C wrote: »
    Its amazing how much cognitive dissonance that some people can cope with!!!:):pac:

    I was thinking the exact same thing reading your posts.

    God is merciful = He had to DROWN all life.
    God is love = He HAD to drown all life.
    God is just = He had to drown ALL life.


  • #778
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    Here:-
    1:38 ]And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word.

    The angel tells she will be made pregnant with the son of God.

    There were no questions asked of Mary if that was ok and she would be willing to do it.

    Ultimatum issued to her by the creator of reality, she was only ever going to comply. She couldn't risk God drowning the world again.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #779
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I was thinking the exact same thing reading your posts.

    God is merciful = He had to DROWN all life.
    God is love = He HAD to drown all life.
    God is just = He had to drown ALL life.
    God was solely in Justice Mode when He triggered the Flood.:)


  • #780
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    J C wrote: »
    God was solely in Justice Mode when He triggered the Flood.:)

    Nah - Tantrum mode was fully engaged.

    Except it wasn't because it didn't happen. :D


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  • #781
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    MrPudding wrote: »
    Well, I don't deny the possible existance of god. I fully accept that I cannot know there is no god, just that same as you cannot possibly know there is one. But, and this is the important bit, whilst I accept that there may be a god, there is absolutely no indication, at all, whatsoever that there is one. I mean, seriously, there is no evidence AT ALL, anywhere, that there is a god. Therefore, I live my life on the basis that gods probably don't exist.

    And this fits, quite nicely I must say, with my world-view.

    MrP
    ... how very convenient!!!!


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