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  • #722
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    In the Story Book which states it is the word of God did God ask Mary if she wanted to be his baby mammy or was she just told she was going to be his baby mammy by one of God's minions?
    1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
    1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
    1:29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
    1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
    1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
    1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
    1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
    1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
    1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

    She wasn't asked,
    she was told she'd be made pregnant,
    Of course she technically wasn't married to Joesph as she was still a virgin and never consummated the marriage with him, oh and she was 13 years of age


  • #723
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    [-0-] wrote: »
    Neither. It never happened. :)
    well done, Jimmy Carr :P:P

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #724
    druss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭druss


    On a sort of related note. The following change was made to a syndicated version of a Christmas episode of 'Family Guy'. The episode has a nativity scene.

    Original:
    "I'm the virgin Mary; that's my story and I'm sticking to it"

    Changed to:
    "I'm the virgin Mary".

    I suppose, in their own way, the Gospels have been thoroughly syndicated.


  • #725
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    An interesting view from comes from someone originally an atheist.
    Most skeptics who are atheists believe that all phenomena have naturalistic causes.

    This belief is based upon the observation of our world, in which cause and effect are observed on a daily basis, with rare exception, if at all. One must ask the question, "Just because cause and effect overwhelmingly operate in our universe, does this mean that supernatural events never occur?"

    Even in the Bible, which claims to be a record of God's supernatural actions, over 90% of what is described is purely naturalistic. So, even the Bible recognizes that the vast majority of events that occur in the universe have a natural cause.

    However, one who insists that supernatural events never occur is expressing a belief that can never be fully confirmed. To be truly open-minded, one must recognize the possibility that supernatural events do occur.

    Any atheist who denies the possible existence of God violates his own world-view.


  • #726
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    An interesting view from comes from someone originally an atheist.

    You do realise that EVERYONE is originally an atheist right?


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  • #727
    gaynorvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭gaynorvader


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    An interesting view from comes from someone originally an atheist.
    Most skeptics who are atheists believe that all phenomena have naturalistic causes.

    This belief is based upon the observation of our world, in which cause and effect are observed on a daily basis, with rare exception, if at all. One must ask the question, "Just because cause and effect overwhelmingly operate in our universe, does this mean that supernatural events never occur?"

    Even in the Bible, which claims to be a record of God's supernatural actions, over 90% of what is described is purely naturalistic. So, even the Bible recognizes that the vast majority of events that occur in the universe have a natural cause.

    However, one who insists that supernatural events never occur is expressing a belief that can never be fully confirmed. To be truly open-minded, one must recognize the possibility that supernatural events do occur.

    It may be possible for supernatural events to occur. However, it's more likely a naturalistic explanation will be found, so we look for that first. After that it's more likely that we lack information or tools to find the naturalistic explanation and so we file it under "we don't know" for now. To class something as supernatural, it would have to have some good evidence behind it. Like if a psychic could determine the symbols on cards they'd never seen before with perfect or close to perfect accuracy.


  • #728
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    OMG! Spoiler!
    bumper234 wrote: »
    You do realise that EVERYONE is originally an atheist right?

    Not just that, but every believer in one god is an atheist to every other god.

    Unless of course Terrlock believes Thor and Freya and every other god ever invented are real gods equal to his/her own.


  • #729
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    Atrocities by God?

    If you were to read atheist's websites, you will often find complaints that the God of the Bible arbitrarily ordered the destruction of entire cities, such as Jericho, just to allow the Jews to have a homeland in the Middle East. How could a loving God command the destruction of all those "innocent" people? The argument sounds good, but it is utterly false. The unstated assumption is that the people who God ordered destroyed were morally equivalent to the Jews, who replaced them. However, this is what the Bible says about the people who were destroyed:
    <EDIT>
    ...

    Source : http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/killergod.html

    Mod: Do NOT copy and paste material from another website without at least giving credit to the original source. Plagiarism isn't accepted anywhere on this site.


  • #730
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    "You thought God was murderous before? Wait until he returns!"

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #731
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    Atrocities by God?

    If you were to read atheist's websites, you will often find complaints that the God of the Bible arbitrarily ordered the destruction of entire cities, such as Jericho, just to allow the Jews to have a homeland in the Middle East. How could a loving God command the destruction of all those "innocent" people? The argument sounds good, but it is utterly false. The unstated assumption is that the people who God ordered destroyed were morally equivalent to the Jews, who replaced them. However, this is what the Bible says about the people who were destroyed:
    <SNIP>

    Yep, truly a loving "God" you have there;)


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  • #732
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Terrlock wrote: »
    Atrocities by God?

    Throughout this thread you see complaints that the God of the Bible is evil and arbitrarily orders the destruction and punishment of people.

    How could a loving God command the destruction of all those "innocent" people? The argument sounds good, but it is utterly false. The unstated assumption is that the people who God ordered destroyed were morally equivalent to the Jews, who replaced them. However, this is what the Bible says about the people who were destroyed:
    <SNIP>

    Never hear the phrase "The victor writes the history."?

    A fine example of it.


  • #733
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Terrlock, you're doing a great job of selling that loving god of yours.

    Lets stick to the facts for now...or atleast what you like to call facts even though they come from a fairytale book.
    The numbers in the bible show that your god really is a total dick

    no_estimates.jpg

    Of course its funny that in modern history your god hasn't killed anyone despite religious organizations being against loads of stuff, abortions and gay marriage for example.

    Your god doesn't have any power to stop country's for allowing such things, not much of a powerful god is it?


  • #734
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    gaynorvader wrote: »
    It may be possible for supernatural events to occur. However, it's more likely a naturalistic explanation will be found, so we look for that first. After that it's more likely that we lack information or tools to find the naturalistic explanation and so we file it under "we don't know" for now. To class something as supernatural, it would have to have some good evidence behind it. Like if a psychic could determine the symbols on cards they'd never seen before with perfect or close to perfect accuracy.
    Cabaal wrote: »
    Not just that, but every believer in one god is an atheist to every other god.

    Unless of course Terrlock believes Thor and Freya and every other god ever invented are real gods equal to his/her own.

    <NOT original opinion.>


  • #735
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Terrlock wrote: »
    <Not original opinion.>

    Not even sure why you quoted my post and another users posts, you didn't respond to either. You just continued with a nonsense rant which is flawed.

    So, do you believe that any other god that was ever invented by the human race is equal to yours? ie: do you believe thor exists and is equal to your god?

    If you don't thinks makes you an atheist and in all honesty the only difference between you and us is we went that one logical step further.


  • #736
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Terrlock is this your LAST warning. Plagiarise another article, opinion piece, or blog once more and you'll be banned!


  • #737
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Terrlock, you're doing a great job of selling that loving god of yours.

    Lets stick to the facts for now...or atleast what you like to call facts even though they come from a fairytale book.
    The numbers in the bible show that your god really is a total dick

    no_estimates.jpg

    Of course its funny that in modern history your god hasn't killed anyone despite religious organizations being against loads of stuff, abortions and gay marriage for example.

    Your god doesn't have any power to stop country's for allowing such things, not much of a powerful god is it?

    How many of those people that you say that God Killed were righteous.

    However really in principle it is Man that is responsible for all those deaths as they decided to follow Satan not God.

    So in your opinion should God let the 2.5 million evil people live and not save any righteous people at all?


  • #738
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    It's their fault they died because they decided they didn't love him. This could not be a more perfect example of an abusive relationship if it tried. Maybe Job shouldn't have been such a clumsy bint and run into Chris Brown God's fist, eh?


  • #739
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    How many of those people that you say that God Killed were righteous.

    However really in principle it is Man that is responsible for all those deaths as they decided to follow Satan not God.

    So in your opinion should God let the 2.5 million evil people live and not save any righteous people at all?

    God gives people free will.

    They use this free will and choose not to worship him.

    God has a hissy fit and kills all of the people.

    Yep he certainly is a loving god:rolleyes:


  • #740
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Terrlock wrote: »
    So in your opinion should God let the 2.5 million evil people live and not save any righteous people at all?

    - He's good to let 6million jews be murdered without any problems and let the Nazi's do it without any problems
    - He is against abortions but allows them every day
    - He allowed his servants to abuse children and then allowed them to be forgiven and to keep their titles and go to heaven because they were forgiven.
    - Gay people marry even though this is against his will and its a awful sin

    Sorry Terrlock, its a cop out to suggest he was totally against 2.5million odd people during the good old days for very minor sins in comparison to the one's above....especially the murdering of 6million jews.


  • #741
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    How many of those people that you say that God Killed were righteous. However really in principle it is Man that is responsible for all those deaths as they decided to follow Satan not God.
    I know this guy who was shot and it was his fault as he'd stepped into the path of the bullet some moments before.

    Remember folks, guns don't kill people who kill guns, but people who kill people use guns that people kill with guns.


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  • #742
    smcgiff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭smcgiff


    Terrlock wrote: »

    Any atheist who denies the possible existence of God violates his own world-view.

    You'll need to explain this.

    Supernatural means to defy the laws of physics or the natural law. To conclude nothing of the sort can happen is perfectly valid and not contradictory.


  • #743
    An Riabhach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,714 ✭✭✭An Riabhach


    Terrlock wrote: »


    Any atheist who denies the possible existence of God violates his own world-view.

    Bull****..

    Siúl leat, siúl leat, le dóchas i do chroí, is ní shiúlfaidh tú i d'aonar go deo.



  • #744
    smcgiff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭smcgiff


    Seasan wrote: »
    Bull****..

    Yeah, that too :D


  • #745
    [-0-]
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭[-0-]


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    JC, Terrlock,

    I warmly welcome both of you to take part in the following Stanford course (which is free!) titled "Introduction to Genetics and Evolution".

    https://www.coursera.org/course/geneticsevolution

    It is a 12 week course starting January 3rd.

    Course Syllabus
    • Evidence for evolution
    • Introduction to basic genetics
    • Recombination and genetic mapping simple traits
    • Complications to genetic mapping
    • Genes vs. environment
    • Basic population genetics and Hardy-Weinberg
    • Gene flow, differentiation, inbreeding
    • Natural selection and genetic drift
    • Molecular evolution
    • Adaptive behaviors and sexual selection
    • Species formation and phylogenetics
    • Evolutionary applications and misapplications


  • #746
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    [-0-] wrote: »
    JC, Terrlock,

    I warmly welcome both of you to take part in the following Stanford course (which is free!) titled "Introduction to Genetics and Evolution".

    https://www.coursera.org/course/geneticsevolution

    It is a 12 week course starting January 3rd.

    If I can, I'm definitely doing that. Freaking love Coursera!:D


  • #747
    Obliq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Looks great! And free - better again! Will look into that myself, ta.


    Edit: "It would be helpful for the application of some concepts to have a working knowledge of High School level math, including basic algebra." Oh balls. This always bites me on the ass!


  • #748
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Obliq wrote: »
    Looks great! And free - better again! Will look into that myself, ta.


    Edit: "It would be helpful for the application of some concepts to have a working knowledge of High School level math, including basic algebra." Oh balls. This always bites me on the ass!

    Well first of all, if there's some boardsies doing it, we might be able to help you there. :)
    Secondly, there's pre-calculus courses you can that should help. Courses like this. If that's too advanced let us know. :). Also, Khanacademy is an excellent resource.


  • #749
    Obliq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Thanks dude :cool: Will give it a go. TBH though, all I remember about maths is my Dad (maths/physics genius) patiently waiting till I'd finished sniffling till he further bamboozled me with maths techniques EVERY day for 6 months before the Leaving. I passed though, fair play to him. Failed all subsequent college courses on the statistics module though....


  • #750
    nagirrac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭nagirrac


    [-0-] wrote: »
    JC, Terrlock,

    I warmly welcome both of you to take part in the following Stanford course (which is free!) titled "Introduction to Genetics and Evolution".

    https://www.coursera.org/course/geneticsevolution

    It is a 12 week course starting January 3rd.

    Sounds like an excellent course, but will offer no value in the discussions with J.C. as it does not cover macroevolution, so although I am sure unintended you have walked into the creationist trap.

    For those who have the basics of microevolution down, this course looks the bees knees. Epigenetics is the new frontier of evolutionary biology.

    https://www.coursera.org/course/epigenetics


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  • #751
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    nagirrac wrote: »
    Sounds like an excellent course, but will offer no value in the discussions with J.C. as it does not cover macroevolution, so although I am sure unintended you have walked into the creationist trap.

    For those who have the basics of microevolution down, this course looks the bees knees. Epigenetics is the new frontier of evolutionary biology.

    https://www.coursera.org/course/epigenetics

    This is perfect. The one in January will be over by then. :D
    Also folks the Astro-Biology one starts around Jan too.


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