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P.Walnuts · 13-11-2013 06:19PM

What's people opinions on the show following gangsters that actually existed, and furthermore accounting their history fairly accurately?

I find it detracts from the show to be honest, mainly because certain storylines are pre spoilered for me, I mean I know who will survive certain situations and when it's likely they are going to be killed. I suppose If i wasn't aware of any mobster history it wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

walshb · 13-11-2013 06:40PM

I have to say that knowing the fate of certain characters hasn't lessened my enjoyment. I have read a fair bit about 20th century mob activities so I knew what to expect. I find the show to be quite an education.

P.Walnuts · 13-11-2013 06:43PM

walshb wrote: »

I have to say that knowing the fate of certain characters hasn't lessened my enjoyment. I have read a fair bit about 20th century mob activities so I knew what to expect. I find the show to be quite an education.

Ye, i'm still really enjoying the show but suppose it takes a small bit of tension away from certain scenarios for me.

walshb · 13-11-2013 06:49PM

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Ye, i'm still really enjoying the show but suppose it takes a small bit of tension away from certain scenarios for me.

I can well understand that. I knew before I watched the first episode that it was based on fiction and reality and that there would be real life characters. I guess that prepared me best. Avoided all spoilers until I accidentally read that a favourite character of mine, Slater, was "deceased."

Stay away from boardwalkempire.wikia.com

P.Walnuts · 13-11-2013 06:53PM

walshb wrote: »

I can well understand that. I knew before I watched the first episode that it was based on fiction and reality and that there would be real life characters. I guess that prepared me best. Avoided all spoilers until I accidentally read that a favourite character of mine, Slater, was "deceased."

Stay away from boardwalkempire.wikia.com

Ha I spoiled that myself, except I went to the actors wiki page to see he was listed as Boardwalk Empire - Owen Slater (Season 2 + 3)

Tristram · 18-11-2013 02:22PM

Things are happening!

spitfireIRL · 18-11-2013 02:51PM

Tristram wrote: »

Things are happening!

yup. Finale is gonna be a belter.

irishcsifan · 18-11-2013 07:59PM

Really good episode. Just saw the trailer for the season finale. I can't wait to see it.

spitfireIRL · 18-11-2013 09:26PM

Anyone got a link for the trailer?

Shane St. · 18-11-2013 10:49PM

That was definitetly a setting things up for an unreal finale kind of episode.

MagicMarker · 18-11-2013 10:56PM

Why would anyone intentionally watch a trailer for the finale?

Don't suppose the finale will be feature length?

_Kaiser_ · 18-11-2013 11:01PM

Well that got interesting! Took about 10/15 mins to get going but what a setup for the finale.

EDIT: Trailer for next week looks great!

but epic as it was last year, I really don't want another Harrow killing spree. He's done nothing all season that it'd just cheapen the rest of the story they've built if that's how it goes down - again! If anything I think it's time for Harrow to go (probably should have at the end of last season)

spiritcrusher · 18-11-2013 11:39PM

Those scenes in the farmhouse were fantastic. Love deciphering the way the black characters talk, it's so full of imagery, wit and dense language.
The Pinkerton twist was a bit strange though. It seems like a pretty elaborate ruse to go to for *just* a random character's murder but I'm aware the Pinkertons were pretty ruthless back in the day so maybe they did do stuff like that.
Regarding Nucky, it seems he's copped on to what Eli's up to and is setting up Todd to take over from him instead of Eli. I reckon at the start of the episode he was about to hand over to Eli but then realised something's not right and is now going with Todd.

Jimmy Iovine · 19-11-2013 12:33AM

spiritcrusher wrote: »

Love deciphering the way the black characters talk, it's so full of imagery, wit and dense language.

"That chicken is drier than grandma's snatch."

walshb · 19-11-2013 10:42AM

Hi,

half way thru ep 11 season 4. Can someone detail the relationship between Chalky and the old blind man for me. I couldn't understand a word either man was saying. No subtitles on the recording I have.

Thanks.

youcancallmeal · 19-11-2013 11:49AM

walshb wrote: »

Hi,

half way thru ep 11 season 4. Can someone detail the relationship between Chalky and the old blind man for me. I couldn't understand a word either man was saying. No subtitles on the recording I have.

Thanks.

Yeah it was quite difficult to understand but what I got was the old man was his mentor and taught him everything he knew?

walshb · 19-11-2013 11:53AM

youcancallmeal wrote: »

Yeah it was quite difficult to understand but what I got was the old man was his mentor and taught him everything he knew?

Yes, I thought that too. Really poor diction between them. Nothing to do with accent or dialect, just poor diction.

Brussels Sprout · 19-11-2013 12:01PM

As far as I could make out Chalky was the old man's protege back in the day. In fact I think the old man used to have Chalky's current job in Atlantic City under Nucky's old boss the Commodore.

After believing he was betrayed by Nucky, Chalky went back to him as the only person who he could really trust. It looks like it back-fired though as one of the younger guys sold him out to Narcise.

MagicMarker · 19-11-2013 12:25PM

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

As far as I could make out Chalky was the old man's protege back in the day. In fact I think the old man used to have Chalky's current job in Atlantic City under Nucky's old boss the Commodore.

After believing he was betrayed by Nucky, Chalky went back to him as the only person who he could really trust. It looks like it back-fired though as one of the younger guys sold him out to Narcise.

What makes you think it was one of the guys?

I thought it was the woman, as she just left beforehand.

Falthyron · 19-11-2013 12:37PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

What makes you think it was one of the guys?

I thought it was the woman, as she just left beforehand.

Indeed. Alternatively, maybe Narcise got his hands on one of Chalky's men and beat him until he gave up the name of who Chalky trusts the most and where would he be likely to hide?

ThunbergsAreGo · 19-11-2013 02:23PM

Falthyron wrote: »

Indeed. Alternatively, maybe Narcise got his hands on one of Chalky's men and beat him until he gave up the name of who Chalky trusts the most and where would he be likely to hide?

Agreed, i thought the young guys were backing Chalky at the end and wouldnt have sold him out.

Also took out fo it that the old guy was the "former Chalky" to the Commedant

jcsoulinger · 19-11-2013 03:12PM

I think the guy that went to Baltimore sold chalky out, that look he gave him before he left says it all. Daughter just left.

The Pinkerton storyline was very disappointing it just didn't make much sense and I don't really see the point of it, they should have just had her o.d or let her ride off into the sunset with this asshole, what they did was just ridiculous.

did any one catch what the old man said to her after she confessed something along the lines of "I owed it to someone" what was this about?

ThunbergsAreGo · 19-11-2013 05:44PM

jcsoulinger wrote: »

I think the guy that went to Baltimore sold chalky out, that look he gave him before he left says it all. Daughter just left.

The Pinkerton storyline was very disappointing it just didn't make much sense and I don't really see the point of it, they should have just had her o.d or let her ride off into the sunset with this asshole, what they did was just ridiculous.

did any one catch what the old man said to her after she confessed something along the lines of "I owed it to someone" what was this about?

He owed it to the Commodore e.g he knows she was essentially the cause of his death

5starpool · 19-11-2013 06:09PM

Hopefully we won't have to see any more of her in the show anyhow. That is one of the more pointless storylines this season imo. I wish she had just od'd at the end of last season.

Brussels Sprout · 19-11-2013 06:44PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

What makes you think it was one of the guys?

I thought it was the woman, as she just left beforehand.

When the old man wen tout with the shotgun he said "Whatsisname didn't go to no Baltimore" implying that that guy had gone into town to round up a posse to come back and get the girl and Chalky for Narcisse

geecee · 20-11-2013 12:41AM

jcsoulinger wrote: »

did any one catch what the old man said to her after she confessed something along the lines of "I owed it to someone" what was this about?

Thats was no old man... It was Junior Soprano!

"I owed Louis [Commodore Louis Kaestner] something... I'm sure you can understand that"

They weren't after her for the death of Roger... they were after her for teh death of the Commodore...

Dermighty · 20-11-2013 11:46AM

5starpool wrote: »

Hopefully we won't have to see any more of her in the show anyhow. That is one of the more pointless storylines this season imo. I wish she had just od'd at the end of last season.

I think she is one of the best characters in the show. Her dialogue with Tommy is great, every time she meets him you get the sense that they're never been apart, usually done fairly badly in tv shows.

walshb · 20-11-2013 12:38PM

I thought the episode was a bit boring. I thought we'd have a bit more of a build up for the finale next week. It was not Daughter that betrayed Chalky. No way she goes through all that to then do a complete nonsensical U turn and betray him

Brussels Sprout · 20-11-2013 01:41PM

geecee wrote: »

Thats was no old man... It was Junior Soprano!

"I owed Louis [Commodore Louis Kaestner] something... I'm sure you can understand that"

They weren't after her for the death of Roger... they were after her for teh death of the Commodore...

My read on that was a bit different. They were after her for the death of Roger. They got Roger's friend to walk into the restaurant a few episodes and rattle her early on as a test. That was part of the scam, as was the dinner with the 'client' and the subsequent 'murder'. All just to get her to admit the murder of Roger, which was the point at which the "Big Reveal" occurred.

Leander saying that line to her implied that he had a small part to play in the ruse (suggesting to her that she take the offer for the house and letting the Pinkerton's in to the house at the end. This he did because he owed it to the Commadore). After all I don't think anyone would be financing a pretty expensive sting operation on the Commodore's behalf.

Kilkenny14 · 25-11-2013 09:08AM

God dammit, the finale was a a real punch in the gut

RIP Harrow

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