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  • #662
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Brian Shanahan wrote: »
    Plain enough for you?
    ... another unfounded personal slur ... based on no evidence whatsoever.

    I disagree with Phelps and all that he stands for ... and I have repeatedly made my position clear on this issue.


  • #663
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,144 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Brian Shanahan wrote: »
    [god] is in fact the Squire of Gothos, out of Star Trek:TOS, the alien named Trelane.

    I'm thinking more along the lines of Joffrey.


  • #664
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    How can someone have natural selection motives? Even a quick glance at an introductory biology textbook would show you why that claim is absurd.
    The Columbine shooters clearly had NS motives ... and this is what the Finnish school shooter had to say for himself:-
    "I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection."
    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Using a massacre as an attempt to paint natural selection in a bad light (which, despite the fact even attempting to do so is nonsensical, is clearly what you're doing) is pretty sick. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Natural Selection is a blunt and often brutal 'force of nature' ... and Darwin also said as much.
    ... that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist ... it does ... but we shouldn't live our lives by it ... indeed most of what makes us all Human resists the worst excesses of NS.
    As far as I know, both Evolutionists and Creationists are united on these points.


  • #665
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    J C wrote: »
    You're the guys digging a hole for your ideas.

    I'm simply defending my good name from unfounded slurs.

    When did you start having a good name? Did you secretly apologise for the last ten years of creationist lies and "OMG YUO DISAGRE YO U ARE NAZIS!" victim complex you've been peddling?


  • #666
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Sarky wrote: »
    When did you start having a good name? Did you secretly apologise for the last ten years of creationist lies and "OMG YUO DISAGRE YO U ARE NAZIS!" victim complex you've been peddling?
    I have told no lies ... and I have accused nobody of being Nazis ... except the Nazis.


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  • #667
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


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    J C wrote: »
    I have told no lies ... and I have accused nobody of being Nazis ... except the Nazis.

    That's funny, because that flies in the face of what you've posted here.

    And here.

    And here.

    Oh, and here too.

    And that's just from searching the old thread for the keyword "nazi". I can do a more exhaustive search if you want more than 4 examples of how you just lied to us in your last post.


  • #668
    pauldla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭pauldla


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Sarky wrote: »
    That's funny, because that flies in the face of what you've posted here.

    And here.

    And here.

    Oh, and here too.

    And that's just from searching the old thread for the keyword "nazi". I can do a more exhaustive search if you want more than 4 examples of how you just lied to us in your last post.

    "When I was an Evolutionist..."

    Best laugh I've had all morning.


  • #669
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    You obviously don't know what natural selection is. There's no point arguing with you any further until you work that one out. I won't be holding my breath.
    Do you agree with my statement that "Natural Selection is a blunt and often brutal 'force of nature' ...
    ... that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist ... it does ... but we shouldn't live our lives by it ... indeed most of what makes us all Human resists the worst excesses of NS."
    ... or if you disagree, which parts do you disagree with?


  • #670
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Sarky wrote: »
    That's funny, because that flies in the face of what you've posted here.

    And here.

    And here.

    Oh, and here too.

    And that's just from searching the old thread for the keyword "nazi". I can do a more exhaustive search if you want more than 4 examples of how you just lied to us in your last post.
    OK let's start with the first post linked to above ... and please tell me where you have a problem with what I said in it:-
    J C wrote:
    Evolution-based propoganda ... along with all kinds of other propoganda, was used by the Nazis for their twisted evil ends.

    I can also understand where Ben Stein is coming from, as a Jew, who personally knew people who survived the concentration camps.
    Evolution and scientific respectability was certainly co-opted by the Nazis to push forward their general racist agenda ...
    but in fairness to Evolutionists today, most fully accept that Evolution principles should not be used to run society.

    I can also say that when I was an Evolutionist, I was just as appalled by the Holcaust as I am now, as a Creationist.

    I would, however, caution that the general hostility towards Creationists on this thread does have parallells with how Jews and other minorities were treated in 1930's Germany ... it all began with snide remarks, name-calling, claims that they were economic parsites and untrustworthy as well as open advocacy of job discrimination ... just like happens on this thread regularly in relation to Creationists.
    It is quite legitimate to question Creationist ideas ... but it isn't legitimate to advocate job discrimination against them ... or to call them all liars, morons, etc.
    Quite frankly, the hostility shown on this forum towards Theists in general ... and Creationists in particular, surprises me in this PC age ... where people are generally very careful to not make prejudicial remarks about minorities with whom they disagree.

    For example, the prejudicial comment in the preceding post, that Catholocism is a 'clandestine global evil' is thanked by several Atheists, including a Mod ...
    ... somebody making such a prejudicial generalisation about Atheism over on the Christianity forum, would probably be asked to retract it ... and rightly so, in my opinion!!!

    I have no brief to speak on behalf of Catholocism ... but I know many decent Roman Catholics ... whom I would trust with my life ... and they should not all be dismissed in such a cavalier and downright untrue manner ... just because a tiny minority, within their faith, have behaved outrageously ... and are now paying the price for it.
    This stuff isn't academic ... I once had to come to the rescue of two elderly nuns, in Dublin, who were being verbally abused and physically threatened in their car at traffic lights, by a 'yob' shouting obscenities at them and banging their car.

    Let's treat each other with respect and love ... please.


  • #671
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    No, in fact I utterly reject that statement. You are applying human emotion to a random force of nature. Natural selection can be brutal in much the same way that gravity can be cordial. We can't live our lives by it. To claim we can betrays a lack of understanding of the term.
    Some psychopaths have lived their lives by trying to 'help' NS by killing people ... whereas I have never heard any of them talking about 'helping' gravity to do anything.


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  • #672
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    The completely irrelevant comparisons for Nazis right at the start of the post is a fairly good starting point.
    It's highly relevant, given that the item under discussion, at the time, was comments by Ben Stein, who is a Jew who lost family members in the Holocaust.

    So what else do you have a problem with? ... or is this simply 'a muck throwing exercise' in the hope that some of it will stick to me?


  • #673
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    You might not have accused anyone of being Nazis. You probably did and are just lying again. But you might not have.

    You have, however, made slimy comparisons between those involved in massacres, Nazis, and those who accept natural selection.
    I have done no such thing ... I accept NS as a reality myself.

    What the Nazis did was to start supposedly 'helping' NS to produce a supposed 'Master Race' by killing people they demed to be 'unfit'.

    They also developed the nasty habit of job discrimination against people whose race or religion they didn't like ... and this eventually led to further acts of discrimination against these people groups, including Saved Christians and Jews.
    These are all facts of history.


  • #674
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    You are SWIMMING in muck, J C, we have no need to throw any at you when you generate it all by yourself. None of your posts are going away. They're on record. Forever. Of course, you could always apologise for your attempts to conflate us with Nazis, but we both know you're not going to do that because in your own words you actually think our showing up your flawed claims is leading up to a new Holocaust.


  • #675
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Yes, because gravity tends to be accepted as a force of nature while natural selection tends to be seen as an evolutionist equivalent to god. You're so close to getting the point here but I fear you're going to willfully ignore it rather than apply some critical thought.
    Natural Selection is a force of Nature ... that exists and can be observed in action.
    It has nothing to do with the existence of God or not.
    The equivalent to God would be the discovery of a plausible and demonstrable mechanism to produce the genetic information from which Natural Selection selects.


  • #676
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Sarky wrote: »
    You are SWIMMING in muck, J C, we have no need to throw any at you when you generate it all by yourself. None of your posts are going away. They're on record. Forever..
    ... and so are yours.

    ... and you have linked to posts of mine, while darkly hinting that I had said something outrageous in them ... please 'stand up' this slur by addressing my post #682 ... and tell us all where I said something incorrect in the first post of mine you linked to .


  • #677
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Yup. Every post that shows you being clueless about biology, geology, statistics and a whole host of other disciplines. Every post that shows you lying through your teeth, like the one just above. Every post calling you out on your desperately trying to play the victim by likening yourself to a Holocaust victim because some of us had the GALL to call you on your bullsh*t.

    I'm not sure where you're going with this. Are you trying to imply that I shouldn't be content to have everyone see me showing you for the scientifically illiterate woo-merchant and professional victim you so demonstrably are? Because I'm damn proud of that to be perfectly honest.


  • #678
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Sarky wrote: »
    Yup. Every post that shows you being clueless about biology, geology, statistics and a whole host of other disciplines. Every post that shows you lying through your teeth, like the one just above. Every post calling you out on your desperately trying to play the victim by likening yourself to a Holocaust victim because some of us had the GALL to call you on your bullsh*t.

    I'm not sure where you're going with this. Are you trying to imply that I shouldn't be content to have everyone see me showing you for the scientifically illiterate woo-merchant and professional victim you so demonstrably are? Because I'm damn proud of that to be perfectly honest.
    ... come on Sarky ... please stop the unfounded 'muck throwing' and then avoiding answers when you are 'called on it' ...

    You say you are proud to show me up ... so please do so ... and stop simply talking about doing so.
    Please start by answering my post here:-
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=87589993&postcount=682


  • #679
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Oh, here's another post in which you flat out state that if 'we' had 'our' way, folks like you wouldn't be allowed to work.

    But of course, complaining that creationists are seen as bad scientists is on about the same level as complaining that drunk people aren't allowed be taxi drivers. But sure aren't drink driving laws just a precursor to the Holocaust..?


  • #680
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    How does one 'darkly hint'?
    This way.
    Sarky wrote: »
    You are SWIMMING in muck, J C, we have no need to throw any at you when you generate it all by yourself. None of your posts are going away. They're on record. Forever. .


  • #681
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Sarky wrote: »
    Oh, here's another post in which you flat out state that if 'we' had 'our' way, folks like you wouldn't be allowed to work.

    But of course, complaining that creationists are seen as bad scientists is on about the same level as complaining that drunk people aren't allowed be taxi drivers. But sure aren't drink driving laws just a precursor to the Holocaust..?
    Drink driving laws apply to everyone ... whereas your advocacy of job discrimination against Creation Scientists is confined to a religious minority.


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  • #682
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Oh, this one is a doozy. Not only do you state your belief that there are parallels between the mass genocide of several million people and a bunch of scientists cutting apart your laughable creationist rubbish, you also demonstrate that you don't know what irony or an ad hominem are.


  • #683
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Oh Jernal, you rapscallion you.


  • #684
    [-0-]
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭[-0-]


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    I'm [-0-], and I approve this new thread title and its many hilarious messages.


  • #685
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    We're now at the bar fight stage. Any discussion and hopes for this thread are quickly waning.


  • #686
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Hey, it's hardly my fault oldrnwisr was busy with something else today.


  • #687
    sephir0th
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭sephir0th


    Still a better love story than Twilight.


  • #688
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Sarky wrote: »
    Hey, it's hardly my fault oldrnwisr was busy with something else today.
    You could maybe try to emulate him. I mean you have the bloody knowledge, especially on bio informatics.


  • #689
    Lucy8080
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Lucy8080


    Sarky wrote: »
    Oh, you mean nature as in 'the entirety of reality' and not 'living things'. Yeah, reality is pretty consistent. At least, it is now that things have settled down after all that furore at the big bang event. Living things don't seem to be breaking any of the rules as we understand them*. Not entirely sure where you're going with this. Water is wet and fire is hot, in related news.



    *Now J C is probably going to blather on about thermodynamics as if he knows anything at all about even basic physics. If he does, watch carefully. You'll see him make several important mistakes and omissions that someone else will have to fill in and thus demonstrate why he's wrong. J C will likely ignore it and repeat his false claims, and as we all know making a claim that you know to be false is lying...

    How does reality "settle down"?

    Quite an interesting theory you have there !


  • #690
    [-0-]
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭[-0-]


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    This was JC's first post on our beloved boards.ie:
    I used to be skeptical - now I question everything - including the beliefs of other skeptics!!

    I think that I will be a true skeptic and go along and LISTEN respectfully to Ken Ham before making my OWN MIND UP about what he has to say.

    I recently discovered that the odds of producing the amino acid sequence for a particular 100 chain protein by accident choosing from the 20 common amino acids at each point on the chain is 10 to the power of minus 130. If we consider that the number of atoms in the known Universe (including Dark Matter) is 10 to the power of 80 I don't fancy the chances of even a useful protein arising spontaneously - never mind life!!!

    I haven't seen any life arising spontaneously recently - Have any of you?

    I would value your skeptical opinion on the above mathemastical calculation.

    I would be even more interested in YOUR explanation for the spontaneous emergence of life - that doesn't involve pure fantasy.

    I would say it has gone down hill ever since, but he started at the bottom of the hill, started digging, and he's now after popping out in Australia.


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  • #691
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Jernal wrote: »
    You could maybe try to emulate him. I mean you have the bloody knowledge, especially on bio informatics.

    I suppose I have been rather impatient and contemptuous of creationism lately, haven't I? Well, more than usual. Look, I've obviously caused you a headache, sorry about that. I'll bow out now for good if you like, since I just can't seem to muster the enthusiasm for a big bumper post of biology of late.


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