RWC Bid 2023/2027

jm08 · 03-11-2013 03:26PM

Clareman wrote: »

€75 a ticket for 30,000 people is ~2.5 million, not to mention the fact that the All Irelands are the GAA showcases, not a hope will they move them for another sport's showcase

The GAA will always look at how good it will be for the country in general to host a world cup - i.e., it will mean work for their members.

It wouldn't be 2.5m anyway as there wouldn't be 30K at €75 a go! Tickets for the Hill (14K) are nothing like that.

Clareman · 03-11-2013 03:31PM

jm08 wrote: »

The GAA will always look at how good it will be for the country in general to host a world cup - i.e., it will mean work for their members.

It wouldn't be 2.5m anyway as there wouldn't be 30K at €75 a go! Tickets for the Hill (14K) are nothing like that.

There's a far larger ratio of stand to terrace tickets in Croke Park than any other ground.

The GAA will make sure that everything is done in line with what meets their needs. I just think that there's no hope of the All Irelands being moved either the dates or venue and that they'll work with the IRFU to make sure there isn't a need for Croke park on those weekends

wicklowwonder · 03-11-2013 03:45PM

jm08 wrote: »

Plenty of time to signal that to 10 year ticket holders. Could give them first refusal on some of the rugby games that are held in Croke Park.

Something like 95% voted in Congress to open the stadia, everyone in the GAA is behind this.

Everyone is behind opening the stadia not moving the All Ireland's from Croker or even the dates. All the vote does is allow central council to negotiate with the IRFU. There will terms abd conditions.

Would the IRFU move Ireland v England to Thomand? Not a hope.

Every year the All Ireland's are the biggest attended sporting event in country they won't be leaving Croke Park in my lifetime unless it's too a bigger stadium.

As a fan of both codes would love see a RWC but I think the GAA will support but not at the loss of their own sports. Anywhere there is rest days in the World Cup be great to GAA have the All Ireland's on two "rest" Sundays in September - showcase the sports to overseas fans at the RWC. Sure this could be agreed between both codes.

Pete_Cavan · 03-11-2013 04:02PM

Clareman wrote: »

All Irelands would sell out even if they were played in December, the problem would be that the whole GAA calendar is centred around the 1st and 3rd Sundays in September, to bring the final into August it would mean starting in April instead of May and that would impact the league, college competitions and club finals

Thats the thing, the GAA calendar is not centred around the 1st and 3rd Sundays in September anymore, it is centred around the penultimate Sunday in September and two weeks before that, as per the Official Guide;

6.31 All-Ireland Finals
The All Ireland Senior Finals shall be played in Croke Park: the Football Final shall be played on the penultimate Sunday in September and the Hurling Final shall be played two weeks previous. In exceptional circumstances, the Central Council may make other arrangements.

Like most, I dont think there will be issues with hosting RWC games in Croker, just I think that for different reasons (which, as you said, is not for this thread).

LeeroyJones · 03-11-2013 05:17PM

England and Japan have set a new standard when it comes to hosting World Cups.
We could, potentially, bid something a little better than NZ 2011 with a few redevelopments but we'll never bid anything like England or Japan have to offer.

The ship has sailed on an exclusively hosted World Cup in Ireland.

I hope those World Cups are sent to developing Rugby nations anyway

P_1 · 03-11-2013 05:18PM

Either way I'd imagine that Lansdowne would be used on the weekends of the hurling and football finals should we get the RWC.

Imagine a weekend of:
Saturday: New Zealand v 2nd seeds in their pool in Lansdowne
Sunday: All Ireland Hurling final in Croker

or

Saturday: France v 2nd seeds in their pool in Lansdowne
Sunday: All Ireland Football final in Croker

Mouthwatering stuff to be honest

ArmaniJeanss · 03-11-2013 05:41PM

P_1 wrote: »

Either way I'd imagine that Lansdowne would be used on the weekends of the hurling and football finals should we get the RWC.

Imagine a weekend of:
Saturday: New Zealand v 2nd seeds in their pool in Lansdowne
Sunday: All Ireland Hurling final in Croker

or

Saturday: France v 2nd seeds in their pool in Lansdowne
Sunday: All Ireland Football final in Croker

Mouthwatering stuff to be honest

Possibly not so mouthwatering for the organisers who are trying to flog late tickets for Fiji v USA in Castlebar and Romania v Namibia in Thomond on the Sunday.
Thinking about it I reckon for a variety of boring reasons (safety, gardai overtime, strain on infrastructure) the scenario of games you've outlined probably isn't a great idea. If the government are going to spend €150M on a payment to the IRB for the rights to host, plus invest perhaps that sum again in ground improvements, then realistically the RWC has to have no competitor for the 6 weeks. So GAA would have to finish by first weekend in September imo.

Clareman · 03-11-2013 08:55PM

How about the Emergency Services that have to cater for these events as well, but I think we're getting a bit ahead of ourselves.

Logistically I think Ireland could hold a RWC (as it is) very easily, politically it would need help from other unions, on the ground it would need a massive amount of work.

Buer · 03-11-2013 09:33PM

jm08 wrote: »

The 1984 All-Ireland Hurling Final was held in Semple for the 100th Anniversary of the founding of the GAA.

There was even an All Ireland final held in New York in 1947!

Being down 30K tickets x 2 would be well covered financially by the lease of the stadia.

Fair points but those instances were on the GAA's own terms and for specific political and historical reasons determined by themselves. The 1984 final was also when Semple had the same capacity as Croke Park.

I would be utterly shocked if the GAA ever even contemplated moving their showpiece and grand celebration to another venue to accommodate rugby.

awec · 03-11-2013 09:42PM

Sure GAA fans from the other 31 counties would be delighted at the prospect of Dublin not getting a home final.

Anyway, should the RWC come to Ireland would the final be played in the 50,000 seater Aviva or the 83,000 capacity Croke Park?

Buer · 03-11-2013 09:51PM

awec wrote: »

Sure GAA fans from the other 31 counties would be delighted at the prospect of Dublin not getting a home final.

He follows GAA for one season and he's an expert...

:pac:

Clareman · 03-11-2013 09:54PM

Buer wrote: »

Fair points but those instances were on the GAA's own terms and for specific political and historical reasons determined by themselves. The 1984 final was also when Semple had the same capacity as Croke Park.

I would be utterly shocked if the GAA ever even contemplated moving their showpiece and grand celebration to another venue to accommodate rugby.

Could you imagine the WRU moving a 6N game for a Soccer Match even though they have had a few FA Cup finals

awec · 03-11-2013 09:59PM

Buer wrote: »

He follows GAA for one season and he's an expert...

:pac:

Am I wrong though?

thomond2006 · 03-11-2013 10:01PM

The All-Irelands not in Croke Park? That would feel unnatural.

Swiwi. · 03-11-2013 10:18PM

LeeroyJones wrote: »

England and Japan have set a new standard when it comes to hosting World Cups.
We could, potentially, bid something a little better than NZ 2011 with a few redevelopments but we'll never bid anything like England or Japan have to offer.

The ship has sailed on an exclusively hosted World Cup in Ireland.

I hope those World Cups are sent to developing Rugby nations anyway

Or so they hope will be the case :pac:

If Ireland are successful, I hope the tournament is 100% in Ireland, but those Welsh will no doubt try and extract a game or two or many at Cardiff in exchange for their support.

The best RWC have all been in a single country (95, 03, 07 [excluding those Welsh again], 11). 1991 was a disaster of a tournament on multiple levels, and the last thing Ireland needs is an "Irish" RWC, with games in Cardiff, Edinburgh and London.

Mal-Adjusted · 04-11-2013 01:54PM

If the cost of Scotland's/Wales' votes it to let them have some or most of their group games in Murrayfield/Millennium Stadium, will the IRFU, as hosts, get the revenue generated from those games? If not, that's two big Tier one nations at our doorstep who's fans mightn't even set foot in Ireland.

[Jackass] · 04-11-2013 02:21PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

The All-Irelands not in Croke Park? That would feel unnatural.

Play it in London / New York.It wouldn't be the first time.

Larbre34 · 04-11-2013 03:34PM

I know its seems to be a tradition to hold the opening ceremony and first pool game including the hosts in what will be the final venue, but no reason Lansdowne Road wouldnt be suitable for an opening ceremony, you wouldnt really need to bring Croke Park into play until early October.

I bloody hope its the 2023 tournament we get, frankly I cant get my head around the prospect of turning 50 the year it arrives if its 2027!!

iDave · 04-11-2013 05:13PM

I would like Ireland to go down the Australian model of municipal stadiums capable of hosting a number of sports. I know it wont happen but ideally we would have one modern but not overly massive stadium in Galway, Cork and Limerick as well as a handful smaller scale grounds (but modern nonetheless) in places like Waterford, Drogheda, Midlands. These could host provincial rugby, LOI, intercounty GAA and club finals and then be offered up as stadiums for RWC and possible soccer Euro bids.
Maybe I'm naïve but does Galway need a separate ground for GAA, Connacht Rugby and the new Galway FC. Would a decent ground like the DW Stadium, Liberty or even Thomand not suit that cities needs?

P_1 · 04-11-2013 05:16PM

iDave wrote: »

I would like Ireland to go down the Australian model of municipal stadiums capable of hosting a number of sports. I know it wont happen but ideally we would have one modern but not overly massive stadium in Galway, Cork and Limerick as well as a handful smaller scale grounds (but modern nonetheless) in places like Waterford, Drogheda, Midlands. These could host provincial rugby, LOI, intercounty GAA and club finals and then be offered up as stadiums for RWC and possible soccer Euro bids.
Maybe I'm naïve but does Galway need a separate ground for GAA, Connacht Rugby and the new Galway FC. Would a decent ground like the DW Stadium, Liberty or even Thomand not suit that cities needs?

Too many vested interests for that to work to be honest, not to mention the differing pitch dimensions causing trouble. Look at the fun and games over the building of the stadium in Tallaght for an example of how it wouldn't work

awec · 04-11-2013 05:21PM

iDave wrote: »

I would like Ireland to go down the Australian model of municipal stadiums capable of hosting a number of sports. I know it wont happen but ideally we would have one modern but not overly massive stadium in Galway, Cork and Limerick as well as a handful smaller scale grounds (but modern nonetheless) in places like Waterford, Drogheda, Midlands. These could host provincial rugby, LOI, intercounty GAA and club finals and then be offered up as stadiums for RWC and possible soccer Euro bids.
Maybe I'm naïve but does Galway need a separate ground for GAA, Connacht Rugby and the new Galway FC. Would a decent ground like the DW Stadium, Liberty or even Thomand not suit that cities needs?

The size of GAA pitches rules that out for me.

Those Aussie pitches that host AFL are terrible looking for rugby. You are sitting in a different postcode to the pitch almost.

iDave · 04-11-2013 05:25PM

Yeah vested interests has always been a problem in Irish sport, perhaps something like this is the opportunity to consign it to history.

As for pitch dimensions, do Aussie rugby fans complain about it a lot when they use cricket/AFL pitches or is it a case not knowing anything else so they just get on with it?

Buer · 04-11-2013 05:42PM

Aside from national games, the Aussie rugby union teams don't play their games in stadiums that also host AFL or cricket. They play in stadiums that host rugby league and soccer. For example, the Suncorp Stadium hosts the Queensland Reds, Brisbane Broncos, State of Origin and the local A-league side. Allianz Stadium, where the Tahs play, has a few league sides playing there. Cricket and AFL have their own grounds that are only used for international rugby union games.

CatFromHue · 04-11-2013 05:48PM

I think the weather is in the Aussie's favour too.

Rugby over here does tend to cut the pitch up more than over there.

P_1 · 04-11-2013 05:50PM

Buer wrote: »

Aside from national games, the Aussie rugby union teams don't play their games in stadiums that also host AFL or cricket. They play in stadiums that host rugby league and soccer. For example, the Suncorp Stadium hosts the Queensland Reds, Brisbane Broncos, State of Origin and the local A-league side. Allianz Stadium, where the Tahs play, has a few league sides playing there. Cricket and AFL have their own grounds that are only used for international rugby union games.

Yeah that seems to be a model that works well for them, keep the oval ground sports and the rectangle ground sports separate.

Podge_irl · 04-11-2013 06:52PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

I think the weather is in the Aussie's favour too.

Rugby over here does tend to cut the pitch up more than over there.

Guinness is better in Ireland though.

spillit67 · 04-11-2013 08:58PM

The GAA itself is riven with internal politics, that's before you get to it competing with other organisations.

Aside from Croke Park (huge Government aid and good central focus) and Casement (huge Government funding) the GAA's stadium policy is pretty woeful. Too many vanity projects for individual county boards.

munchkin_utd · 18-11-2013 01:22PM

P_1 wrote: »

Too many vested interests for that to work to be honest, not to mention the differing pitch dimensions causing trouble. Look at the fun and games over the building of the stadium in Tallaght for an example of how it wouldn't work

more a problem is the weakness of local government, which aparantly dates back to the foundation of the state and the imposition of such a centralised system of government focusing on Dublin to try and establish the governments authority during and after the civil war.
Also, other countries have relatively cash rich local authorities with tax raising powers, but everything in Ireland goes through central government, even now the council taxes being pooled centrally.

Anyhow, official bid launch is being made today.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/ireland-launches-rugby-world-cup-bid-614548.html

thomond2006 · 18-11-2013 01:52PM

337,000 people?! We will need some investment in our public transport to carer for that.

I really hope it happens, it would be amazing for the country and a serious boost to the sport.

munchkin_utd · 18-11-2013 02:05PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

337,000 people?! We will need some investment in our public transport to carer for that.

I really hope it happens, it would be amazing for the country and a serious boost to the sport.

Cavan town coped with 300,000 visitors over a weekend for the Fleadh Ceoil so if thats doable then a similar amount of visitors spread over 5weeks+ over the island is no bother!

The lack of accomodation is compensated for by folks driving from farther afield and similar to the euro soccer championships you can lay on temporary campsites etc.

But its more than possible.
Some games will be all neutrals so mainly irish who can drive there on the day.
Games involving Ireland are the same, vast majority will drive/ get a lift with maybe some special dedicated busses/ trains laid on
Games involving France/ British isles nations will be just normal service like 6 nations games with the only complication that a game may be in Cork or Limerick or Belfast rather than Dublin - but they also have airports and are on mainline rail so again no bother.

RWC Bid 2023/2027

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