The disappeared

grainnewhale wrote: »

This bull**** state was created to give the unionist a majority. One which they abused, indeed if they hadn't the P.I.R.A would not even exist. Luckily its a quickly decreasing majority.

Really. You think the majority of Northern Ireland voters want a united ireland? In your wet dreams perhaps.

The IRA existed to drive out the British. Epic fail.

SoulandForm wrote: »

No I dont.

I think a lot of the "CNR" is licking their lips at the chance to get back at the "Prods" once they become a majority and believe (very probably correctly) that intergration into the 26 counties would spoil that "fun". I think most of the "PUL" dont want one because in their minds ending Partition would be "themuns" winning. So no I dont.

I do however think that only chance of civic as opposed to tribal society developing is in ending dissolving Northern Ireland into the 26 counties.

You think that "dissolving" Northern Ireland into the south is really a solution.???

The problem is that the "CNR" community don't necessarily all vote the way you would expect them to. Many would lose the British pound and despite having a pipe dream they might not really be prepared to take their losses.

grainnewhale wrote: »

Epic fail. The RUC disbanded in shame. The army away home with its tail between its legs. Loyalist terrorist fighting the police and each other, over drug wars. I think the only losers are the ones whose political ambition revolves around fleg protests.

You keep telling yourself that. Lol. The ira and their loyalist mates all lost the war. Everyone lost. the bitterness is flying out of you but you are not alone. I've noticed a lot of republicans on here who never seem to have never visited Norn iron but yet seem to be experts in the place.

SoulandForm wrote: »

You are correct that at the moment the Civil Service has a larger proportion of those from a CNR background in high positions than the private sector which is still largely controlled by the other tribe (but this seems in the process also of changing). That isnt the point I was making though.

Yes it would offer a real probable solution because it force the tribal bear pit to engage to a larger polity and so grow up. If Britain had really intergrated Northern Ireland into the mainland in the 20s than there is a possibility we wouldnt be having this disscussion- a possibility and not a certainty mind you.

You lost me at the Civil Service tbh. What are you going on about exactly???

Richard wrote: »

I'm not sure what you mean by a "dirty war". Republicans killed over 2,000 people during the troubles and the forces of law and order in the UK and Ireland were trying to stop them. Of course, various enquiries have shown this wasn't always done in the best way by the governments, but don't try and turn this into something it isn't.

This type of idiocy is why a Truth Commission is so necessary

I see a letter in An Phoblacht from the sister of one of the disappeared whos body is yet to be found... nice to see responses from those not featured in the programme


"IN RESPONSE to the recent BBC/RTÉ programme concerning those people shot and secretly buried by the IRA, Breige Wright, the sister of Belfast man Seamus Wright – in a letter to An Phoblacht – wishes to clarify a number of points.
These particularly concern interventions and accusations attributed to Dolours Price and Brendan Hughes."
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By Breige Wright

"MY BROTHER, Seamus Wright, an IRA Volunteer, was killed and secretly buried by the IRA in 1972.


They have said why they killed him. They have identified the location where they buried his body.

In 2010, for the first time, my family made a public intervention following comments by Dolours Price in relation to the disappearance and death of our brother Seamus.

At that time we challenged her to either bring forward information that could help recover Seamus’s remains or to stop using his death in pursuit of her own political agenda. We asked her to engage with the Independent Commission for the Location of Victims Remains (ICLVR).

Contrary to what some media reports have said, she did not engage with the ICLVR. Others, including Brendan Hughes, sought to use Seamus’s death and the circumstances surrounding it in a similar fashion.

None of these people brought forward any information that has been of help in the search for Seamus’s remains.

Following Seamus’s disappearance there were many rumours and stories. Some suggested that he had gone into hiding with those who had recruited him as their agent – British Military Intelligence; others suggested that he had been killed and buried by the IRA.

In 1999, the IRA publicly accepted its responsibility for killing Seamus.

My family has grieved as any other family. Our loss is no greater or no less than anyone else’s.

I have met with the ICLVR. I have met with republicans. I accept the difficulties outlined by the ICLVR and by republicans. These include: the deaths of some of those directly involved in the actual event; the impact of time on people’s memories; major physical changes at the site; and the hostility of some, who might have information, to those republicans trying to bring closure. All of these points are a matter of public record.

I know there is a strong concern that previous digging at the site might have disturbed the grave and the remains.

Mr Geoff Knupfer of the ICLVR has recently acknowledged this in relation to another site (The Irish Times, 1 October 2013).

Only the small number of people involved in the killing and burial of my brother have information that might help. Everything else is speculation and rumour. I am satisfied that information has been passed onto the ICLVR in good faith.

I ask those who have genuinely engaged with the ICLVR to continue to do so. I would call on anyone else with genuine information that might help locate the remains of any of those whose bodies have not yet been recovered to pass that information to the ICLVR through whatever conduit they choose.

I would like to thank all of those who have been trying to help our family achieve closure: Gerry Adams, Fr Alex Reid, Fr Brendan O’Callaghan, the ICLVR, Geoff Knupfer and his team, and others who have been working quietly over the past 14 years.

All we as a family want is to be able to bury our brother’s remains beside our father, mother and sister."

Happyman42 wrote: »

It was a programme 'without a specific agenda' don't ya know!

Are you quoting someone there, or it that just a regular straw-man?

Happyman42 wrote: »

Quotes used to emphasise the argument I have been making, that by leaving out a whole raft of information, this programme revealed it's true agenda, exploiting the suffering of a family to have a failed pop at Gerry Adams.
The above letter is more grist to the mill in that context.

That is something that was obvious from the get go. A family like in the above letter acknowledging the difficulties that republicans have in locating the bodies and also thanking Gerry Adams for his help was never going to be aired in this programme. Also in the letter they show more evidence of how Price and Hughes never offered anything more than politically motivated accusations