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Why has China not taken over the World yet?

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  • #32
    Wattle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭Wattle


    hfallada wrote: »
    Chinas economy just over tool Japan's as the biggest. There is talk about the countries economy being a massive bubble. Plus it relies on feeding its people a **** load of lies and censors all foreign influence. Germany have a stronger export economy than it.

    If china is so amazing why does its people constantly try to move abroad?

    That's a bit of a myth really. Plenty of them would like to leave but only a small percentage have the money to travel abroad. The middle class is on the rise but a big percentage of the population would still be considered poor by western standards.


  • #33
    bbam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,408 ✭✭✭bbam


    Maybe they just aren't interested?

    I'd say they have enough to be going on with with their own borders.

    When you go there you find like everywhere else, people just getting on with their day to day life.

    I'd say once they can continue to buy land that gives them more food security why would they need to start a war.


  • #34
    NuckingFacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    What if Chinese people who've emigrated to different countries and set up restaurants are really spec ops awaiting the great attack....
    Judging by the lads in our local take-away, the signal to attack better come across loud and clear, several times and not involve anything too complex. Or involve directions. If ordered to attack the local power-stations to destabilise society, the power station can expect several calls to ascertain exactly where it is, and then the pet-food factory next door will get blown to hell.


  • #35
    Owldshtok
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭Owldshtok


    AllGunsBlazing wrote: »
    Western paranoia.

    Back in the early 80's everyone thought the Japanese economy was going to gobble up the west. Obviously it didn't quite pan out that way.

    The Chinese economy will normalize eventually and endure the same cycle of growth/recession as the rest of the modern world.

    This for me is a reassuring post.
    Before reading it I was going along the lines of 19th century = mostly British,20th century = mostly USA,21st century mostly Chinese.

    With the speed that information travels these days,its hard to see them taking over the world.The political issues around the middle east will probably remain the worlds biggest hotspot and keep everyone preoccupied including the Chinese.


  • #36
    old_aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    Carlos Roca wrote: »
    They'd love to balkanize Russia and China. The US funds and gives political cover for terrorists separatists in China and on the flanks of the Russian federation.

    Would you have a link to support that?


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  • #37
    xploderz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭xploderz


    Once they get control of bitcoins (which will eventually be the world's single currency) which they are in the process of doing, there will be no stopping China then..


  • #38
    xploderz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭xploderz


    That is my theory anyway


  • #39
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,085 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    Well there's a couple of problems:

    #1 being that China's economic strength is built almost entirely on selling stuff to the US and EU markets (and various hangers on).

    #2 being that China's current structure could prove catestrophically unstable as the economy progresses. There's a serious and growing demand for reform both towards democracy and people who are just fed up with growing levels of extreme corruption. That could ultimately turn nasty, particularly if the economy slows dramatically or starts to lose business to other earlier-stage developing (cheaper) manufacturing locations.

    #3 I'm not sure that China has any ambition to take over the world. It's more concerned about making lots of money. There's no need to take over the world anymore. The 20th century has shown that all you need to do is accumulate vast wealth through trade and you become ever more influential. There's no reason for all this old-fashioned colonising places anymore.


  • #40
    Bowlardo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,390 ✭✭✭Bowlardo


    America owe 7b trilllion..the majotiry of which is tooo china...also i don't think it is their make up...,there a nice bunch in fairness...


  • #41
    NuckingFacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    Bowlardo wrote: »
    America owe 7b trilllion..the majotiry of which is tooo china...also i don't think it is their make up...,there a nice bunch in fairness...
    No, no they're not. They're a clever bunch, I kinda like em, I enjoy dealing with them, but they aint so nice. Ask a few Tibetans.


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  • #42
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,085 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    Bowlardo wrote: »
    America owe 7b trilllion..the majotiry of which is tooo china...also i don't think it is their make up...,there a nice bunch in fairness...

    The majority isn't owed to China. 53% is owed to domestic banks in the USA.

    European countries hold about $1trillion of US debt.

    China hold less than 1/4 of US foreign debt, so while it's a big chunk, it's just one of many creditors. China is only owed slightly more than European investors in the US. The only difference is that they account for our investment as individual countries rather than the EU.

    Lots of myths about the strength of China tbh.

    It just suits some commentators to quote European figures as individual countries when they're talking about positive things and a big block when they want scary figures e.g. total debt load or whatever.

    EU GDP : US$16.566 trillion
    US GDP : US$15.68 trillion
    China GDP: $8.227 trillion


  • #43
    old_aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    Why has China not taken over the World yet?

    They were going to then they looked at Ireland, Russia, US and a few other places and thought, "what for"


  • #44
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,085 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    old_aussie wrote: »
    Why has China not taken over the World yet?

    They were going to then they looked at Ireland, Russia, US and a few other places and thought, "what for"

    Well, they're pretty much driving the Australian resources bubble at the moment. If / when they find alternatives in Africa (which they're actively developing) it's going to be a bit of a shock to the aussi economy.


  • #45
    .jacksparrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    The day is coming.


  • #46
    Paramite Pie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Paramite Pie


    goose2005 wrote: »
    Actually their military is tiny, proportionate to their population they have fewer soldiers than Ireland. The US have hundreds of overseas bases. China has one.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China_Armed_Forces


    Dude, your linked article is about Taiwan not mainland China.:rolleyes:

    The army of China is the largest in the world, with approximately 2,250,000 personnel.It doesn't matter about proportions, it's still the biggest.

    Proportions to population size doesn't matter, it's proportion to land area they need to defend that makes the difference.

    China land area : 9,326,410 sq km versus, Chinese army : 2,250,000

    US land area : 9,161,923 sq Km, US Army (incl Reserves) : 1,105,300


    So I think China could win. They also have a larger army to conscript from.

    As for number of worldwide bases, the British discovered firsthand how this is a disadvantage during WW2. Their army was spread too thin in these areas and they couldn't spare more troops. The cost was astronomical which is why they granted independence to so many territories post WW2.

    South Korea and Japan would likely ally with the US which would be a problem for China. Few countries would choose China's side I'd imagine.


  • #47
    Notorioux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Notorioux


    They're busy eating babies. :eek:


  • #48
    Stojkovic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭Stojkovic


    The Israelis would bash them.


  • #49
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    old_aussie wrote: »
    Would you have a link to support that?

    Consider this.
    As the Uyghur rioting simmered on, the NED was revealed to be dispensing more than US$200,000 a year to support the World Uyghur Congress, blamed for triggering the unrest. A Uyghur woman, Rebiya Kadeer, now living in suburban Washington after having made it to the US with powerful assistance from the US State Department several years ago, seems to be the organizer - and the recipient of much of the largess.

    www.atimes.com/atimes/China/KG18Ad01.html

    Now imagine that reversed. Imagine if China was supporting Hispanic communist separatists in Texas..


  • #50
    Timeless12
    Site Banned Posts: 51 ✭✭Timeless12


    Carlos Roca wrote: »
    'murica

    Looking forward to the day that this comment joins "cool story bro, "blast with piss" etc on the banned list.


  • #51
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Timeless12 wrote: »
    Looking forward to the day that this comment joins "cool story bro, "blast with piss" etc on the banned list.

    Well if I had tree fiddy for every time someone called for a ban I'd be able to buy my very own Loch Ness Monster.


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  • #52
    xploderz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭xploderz


    .jacksparrow. wrote: »
    The day is coming.

    Tiocfaidh ar la.... asooooo


  • #53
    kuntboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭kuntboy


    Carlos Roca wrote: »
    Consider this.



    Now imagine that reversed. Imagine if China was supporting Hispanic communist separatists in Texas..

    Not an equivalent example. Texas was never Hispanic. Uyghurs have been in their region for centuries.

    Although I agree with the sentiment of hypocrisy.


  • #54
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    kuntboy wrote: »
    Not an equivalent example. Texas was never Hispanic. Uyghurs have been in their region for centuries.

    Although I agree with the sentiment of hypocrisy.

    Texas was formerly Mexico and was annexed by the US wasn't it? I haven't googled this so could be wrong.


  • #55
    AgileMyth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,746 ✭✭✭AgileMyth


    China's military is no good.

    Too many chinks in their armour.


  • #56
    jo jo axiom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4 ✭jo jo axiom


    Carlos Roca wrote: »
    They'd love to balkanize Russia and China. The US funds and gives political cover for terrorists separatists in China and on the flanks of the Russian federation.

    Very interesting


  • #57
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    kuntboy wrote: »
    . Texas was never Hispanic. Uyghurs have been in their region for.

    Texas was Indian/Hispanic long before it was part of 'Murica. It was even it's own independent country before it joined the USA.


  • #58
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    jo jo axiom wrote: »
    Very interesting

    An innocence theorist.

    Bless your cotton socks you innocent little thing.


  • #59
    jo jo axiom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4 ✭jo jo axiom


    Carlos Roca wrote: »
    An innocence theorist.

    Bless your cotton socks you innocent little thing.

    USA = bad
    Iran/China/Cuba/North Korea = good

    You have the political comprehension of a simpleton and you use wild conspiracy theories to back up your childish views.


  • #60
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    I never understand why people say China will take over the US as the world's next superpower, where are they getting this from? What evidence do they have? Back in the mid 80s people were saying the same thing about Japan and West Germany (in fact at the time many opposed German reunification as they feared it would make Germany too powerful) but nothing ever came from either of them.


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  • #61
    SweepTheLeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭SweepTheLeg


    It's not the old days anymore, doesn't matter if you have 100million soldiers. 1 nuke is all it takes.

    Pretty scary really.


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