Quantum physics proves that there IS an afterlife

take everything · 15-11-2013 03:44AM

Anyone care to comment on consciousness as an emergent property.
I'm probably a reductionist at heart but it seems an interesting area. The idea that complexity takes on something more than the simpler components that constitute it.

take everything · 15-11-2013 03:46AM

endacl wrote: »

Biologists and chemists don't. Physicists do.
:pac:

I would have thought it was:
Biologists and chemists think they do.
Physicists know they don't.

Merrion · 15-11-2013 03:54AM

zenno wrote: »

Well the folk that have these near death or short death experiences believe totally that it's real, so are they all just talking bullsh!t ? I don't think so.

A subjective experience is just that - subjective. I believed for a long time that I had seen a six foot tall sheep but that doesn't mean six foot tall sheep exist.

It was a Llama

zenno · 15-11-2013 04:15AM

Merrion wrote: »

A subjective experience is just that - subjective. I believed for a long time that I had seen a six foot tall sheep but that doesn't mean six foot tall sheep exist.
It was a Llama

Were you dead for a short while when you experienced this ? Obviously not, so I can't see the connection you are trying to make, as it makes no sense.

Standman · 15-11-2013 04:19AM

"Quantum Physics means anything can happen at any time, for no reason!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqcaaUtPdAo

endacl · 15-11-2013 04:37AM

zenno wrote: »

Were you dead for a short while when you experienced this ? Obviously not, so I can't see the connection you are trying to make, as it makes no sense.

I suspect he may be hinting at the fundamental difference between testimony and evidence.

zenno · 15-11-2013 04:49AM

The only conclusion I can come to regarding life after death, and the experience of it is from my own experience and pondering on it for many years. I can only assume that 'conciousness' that we have in matter-form continues on in pure electrical energy form after physical death of the matter body form, as the electrical energy from your body must go somewhere.

This electrical energy after death seems to me, to carry on after the death of the body. I suppose this would be very hard to digest for people when they have lived in a container all of their lives, and see the conciousness as a hard-wired part of the body-matter and of which have never experienced some separation from the body. I'm not saying this is 100% fact, but it seems to be the case the way I see it so far.

JONJO THE MISER · 15-11-2013 05:04AM

Weigh a body before and after death, there is a loss of 6oz, some say that is the weight of the soul.

endacl · 15-11-2013 05:07AM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Weigh a body before and after death, there is a loss of 6oz, some say that is the weight of the soul.

Some say it's the weight of the final fart. 'Some say' is not evidence.

JONJO THE MISER · 15-11-2013 05:13AM

I feel sorry for anybody that believes when we died that is the end of us.
Whether you believe in god or not, it does not matter, death is not the end of us.

endacl · 15-11-2013 05:20AM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

I feel sorry for anybody that believes when we died that is the end of us.
Whether you believe in god or not, it does not matter, death is not the end of us.

Of course it's not. We won't simply pop out of existence. When I die, there'll still be 15 odd stone of meat, bone and offal to be ritually disposed of. Even then, I won't be 'gone'. I'm made of matter. Which can be neither created or destroyed of course. The proportion if me that won't be reduced to carbon will be released as light and heat. Some garden or other is welcome to the ground up bits of bone that invariably survive the crematorium. In some form or other, I'll always exist. As atoms.

zenno · 15-11-2013 06:00AM

endacl wrote: »

Of course it's not. We won't simply pop out of existence. When I die, there'll still be 15 odd stone of meat, bone and offal to be ritually disposed of. Even then, I won't be 'gone'. I'm made of matter. Which can be neither created or destroyed of course. The proportion if me that won't be reduced to carbon will be released as light and heat. Some garden or other is welcome to the ground up bits of bone that invariably survive the crematorium. In some form or other, I'll always exist. As atoms.

What about your other particles, like Electrons of which can be in two places at once ? it's even stranger than we can imagine. You could be stuck in a quantum computer, I wonder how good that would be, possibly amazing I suppose.

Pumpkinseeds · 15-11-2013 08:19AM

I'll have to read it later, it's a bit too early in the day to cope with Quantum

Grayson · 15-11-2013 09:00AM

dd972 wrote: »

I'm an Agnostic zealot sceptic ( probably no such thing but it's the best description I can muster if the f***ing douchebags who blather on ad nauseum on the Religious and Atheist forums are reading )

Humanity still hasn't scratched the surface of the fundamental nature of consciousness and the universe so why not keep an open mind?

FYP.

You're not an agnostic. Agnostics say that they have no proof and so don't know. An agnostic can easily ignore dumbass stupid theories because there's no evidence to back them up. They still want evidence to back stuff up.

Sceptics on the other hand doubt everything and give everything equal possibility. That's what you are.

Hobbes · 15-11-2013 09:08AM

I'm glad to see that his thesis has been posted in a well established peer reviewed scientific journal of the Daily Mail.

You know it's bunk if Deepak thinks it is a good thing.

WeHaveToGoBack · 15-11-2013 09:09AM

Daily Mail

stoneill · 15-11-2013 09:10AM

There was another Daily Mail article complaining that the afterlife was full of Muslims, dole scroungers and single mothers.

GerB40 · 15-11-2013 09:13AM

Jernal wrote: »

The problem with Quantum Physics is that you can't tell the ridiculous from the sublime because they both they appear equally ridiculous.

As the saying goes "If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics".

Aglomerado · 15-11-2013 09:17AM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Vexing how sh1tty newspapers such as the Daily Mail always say 'says Scientist' as if everything a scientist says is true or somehow holds automatic validity.

At least they didn't say "boffin"!

sbsquarepants · 15-11-2013 11:13AM

Lanza, instead, said that when we die our
life becomes a 'perennial flower that returns to bloom in the
multiverse.'

How you finding those mushrooms Lanza?:D

dd972 · 15-11-2013 02:33PM

endacl wrote: »

Actually, we're far enough along on both counts to filter out a lot of the bullsh1t that tends to fall into 'open minds'...

Let me guess, Gobsh!te Atheist?, you lot and the Godsquad are two cheeks of the same arse :pac:

humbert · 15-11-2013 02:36PM

dd972 wrote: »

Let me guess, Gobsh!te Atheist?, you lot and the Godsquad are two cheeks of the same arse :pac:

I assume you occupy the 'middle ground' then?

Alun · 15-11-2013 02:37PM

GerB40 wrote: »

As the saying goes "If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics".

But in the quantum world you can both understand, and not understand, quantum mechanics at the same time

Maximus Alexander · 15-11-2013 02:48PM

There's just no getting away from religion. Even the cranks 'scientists' are inventing them now.

The Diabolical Monocle · 15-11-2013 03:20PM

Well there is LIFE, that much is true ... of the subjective experience and sentience variety ... not just the ol' physical side amoeba gig.

What subjective sensation is and how/where it comes from can be a starting point.

(theres a difference between a robot being programmed to say mmm or oww and a real sentient experience of pleasure or pain)

Maximus Alexander · 15-11-2013 03:41PM

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

(theres a difference between a robot being programmed to say mmm or oww and a real sentient experience of pleasure or pain)

Is there though? You could look at humans like particularly advanced 'robots', 'programmed' to respond to pleasure and pain.

The Diabolical Monocle · 15-11-2013 04:31PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Is there though? You could look at humans like particularly advanced 'robots', 'programmed' to respond to pleasure and pain.

whats pleasure and pain - only sentient beings can experience them.

Being hyped up, furious, envious, sad - sure you can make a robot to pull these faces ( heres a smiley which is essentially the same thing

) but theres no sensation or meaning. Its not alive.

A kick in the balls - thats being experienced.
Kicking a corpse in the balls - thats just some matter moving around.
(and a sectioning). nothing is being experienced. theres no consciousness there.

So where did it come from, how did it arise, what is it, and wheres it gone.

(Wheres happiness, sadness - point to it)

Zackdickensdog · 15-11-2013 04:37PM

I want to be a tree

Timeless12 · 15-11-2013 05:05PM

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

whats pleasure and pain - only sentient beings can experience them.

Being hyped up, furious, envious, sad - sure you can make a robot to pull these faces ( heres a smiley which is essentially the same thing ) but theres no sensation or meaning. Its not alive.

A kick in the balls - thats being experienced.
Kicking a corpse in the balls - thats just some matter moving around.
(and a sectioning). nothing is being experienced. theres no consciousness there.

So where did it come from, how did it arise, what is it, and wheres it gone.

(Wheres happiness, sadness - point to it)

That's because robots are advance enough to experience sentience. Essentially humans are advancer robots.

15-11-2013 05:16PM

dd972 wrote: »

Let me guess, Gobsh!te Atheist?, you lot and the Godsquad are two cheeks of the same arse :pac:

I wanted to be an Atheist but these days its too much like a religion. Its a belief system were you meet up with other like minded people and discuss how everybody is Wrong. You dont show respect for other peoples beliefs,They have their own books messiah's and even their own music. :rolleyes:

Cough Cough Cult

Quantum physics proves that there IS an afterlife

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