Nutritionist calls pregnant vegan "deluded" & "irresponsible"

Forest Demon · 14-11-2013 11:03PM

Humans do not need animal or dairy products to be healthy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7e_Ye6Yu6I

clairefontaine · 14-11-2013 11:06PM

Veganism should be e mental illness.

Eeden · 14-11-2013 11:20PM

I'm starting to understand the concept of "confinement" - I used to think it was a weird Victorian concept about disgust (maybe it was) but now I think it might be a good idea. At least it stops people judging everything you do!

I remember back in the mists of time, a neighbour of mine said she'd invite me over for a coffee - then qualified it by saying that she would have coffee, but of course, she wouldn't give me coffee as I was pregnant at the time. She never asked me if I was avoiding caffeine.

rawn · 14-11-2013 11:23PM

clairefontaine wrote: »

Veganism should be e mental illness.

Torturing and abusing animals and consuming their flesh without a guilty conscience should be a mental illness.

Irish Guitarist · 14-11-2013 11:24PM

Her baby will be born with yellow skin that peels off.

johnny-grunge · 14-11-2013 11:29PM

Forest Demon wrote: »

Humans do not need animal or dairy products to be healthy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7e_Ye6Yu6I

We're omnivores. That video might aswell be comparing us to diesel engines.

SeaDaily · 14-11-2013 11:33PM

Forest Demon wrote: »

Humans do not need animal or dairy products to be healthy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7e_Ye6Yu6I

What in God's name is this nonsense? It's just some random lad spewing made up sh1te for 10 minutes. Why did you post this?

Seachmall · 14-11-2013 11:34PM

A naturally slender woman, who is 26 weeks pregnant with her first child, has come under fire for promoting an extreme diet which sees her eat predominantly bananas.

"Naturally slender" the same way people who eat too much are "naturally bulky"?

clairefontaine · 14-11-2013 11:34PM

rawn wrote: »

Torturing and abusing animals and consuming their flesh without a guilty conscience should be a mental illness.

Yes it is.

How about the vegan who put their cat on a vegetarian diet?

Craaaazyyyy.....

Zillah · 14-11-2013 11:35PM

rawn wrote: »

Torturing and abusing animals and consuming their flesh without a guilty conscience should be a mental illness.

I wish I had a way to make people take a step back and see with fresh eyes the fact that we kill other animals to take their flesh away from them and put it in our mouths.

Irish Guitarist · 14-11-2013 11:37PM

She wouldn't get the same criticism if she had an abortion because it's "her body" but apparently she's an evil bitch because she eats some fruit while pregnant.

I don't think it's a great diet but babies have survived worse things.

Eeden · 14-11-2013 11:37PM

I wish I had a way to make people take a step back and see with fresh eyes the fact that we are animals also, and that we are omnivores, and that given the chance, other animals would kill us to take our flesh and put it in their mouths.

Seachmall · 14-11-2013 11:44PM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

She wouldn't get the same criticism if she had an abortion because it's "her body" but apparently she's an evil bitch because she eats some fruit while pregnant.

She essentially eats only fruit. If she was aborting the baby then nobody would be too bothered about her diet, it's that she is carrying it to term while depriving it of needed vitamins and minerals that's the issue.

If she were intentionally depriving it of those nutrients for the sake of it then everyone would be agreed that it was, at best, irresponsible of her but when she's doing it as a side to her vegan diet it divides people.

She can still be a vegan without adding risk to her pregnancy.

I don't think it's a great diet but babies have survived worse things.

Babies has survived falls down stairs, that's not an excuse to drop your baby down a stairs.

worded · 14-11-2013 11:46PM

wprathead wrote: »

she eats 15-20 bananas a day?!?!?! :eek:

My OH went on a banana only diet
She lost no weight, but boy you would want to see her climb

Wibbs · 14-11-2013 11:46PM

Stark wrote: »

There's got to be a serious element of BS in those videos. I wouldn't believe stories that a healthy child is surviving only on fruit for a second.

Well I would. One of our greatest "killer apps" as humans is the ability to survive even thrive on a variety of food sources. It's what got us to where we are.

Forest Demon wrote: »

Humans do not need animal or dairy products to be healthy

UTTER BS VIDEO[

Jesus, that clip is chock full of shít. And well... bullshít as a topping. So we are bipedal and have opposable thumbs and no tails. Ehhhh…. Neither does damn near any animal, carnivore or not. The opposable thumbs aimed at fruit is beyond stupid. Those thumbs gave us the means to make tools, tools we used to kill/catch/render animal protein. The very first tools we made? Choppers to break open bones to get to the nutritious marrow inside. We can easily outcompete lions et al at catching, killing and eating prey animals. We've caused the extinction of more herbivores than any other animal and forced out "better" carnivores while doing so. When was the last time you saw a wolf on your travels in the countryside?

Intestinal length is also a half truth/BS. Ours are still way longer than herbivores. And we can't begin to process cellulose like most herbivores and unlike our earliest ancestors. Why do you think the appendix is well.. an appendix? Mammary glands? Really? GTFO. How many teats does a cow have? Microbial tolerance? Eh… that's why we cook meat and have done for over a million years(plus it is an external predigestion). Sweating? eh really GTFO. We're hairless and bipedal. Read more. Teeth? Our teeth are actually well evolved to chew on pre processed meat and other food sources. Fat tolerance? Eh it turns out that fat ain't the issue once thought, sugar is and herbivores eat way more sugar than we used to in the "natural state". Natural appetites? Eh… I get damn near a hard on for steak or roasted turkey or boar on a spit and I wouldn't be alone.

That video and similar like it, really boil my piss, as they are preaching to the ignorant and ill informed to push their own brand of bullshít. If someone wants to be a vegetarian or vegan I say more power to them, but don't try to bullshít the rest of us over the why's. It's really bad science and that video is some of the worst "science" I've seen in a while and I have access to the internet so that's not a good thing.

Pixie84 · 14-11-2013 11:49PM

Eeden wrote: »

I wish I had a way to make people take a step back and see with fresh eyes the fact that we are animals also, and that we are omnivores, and that given the chance, other animals would kill us to take our flesh and put it in their mouths.

Animals kill because they need to...humans kill for greed or pleasure.
Most of the meat on your table comes from factory farming which is completely unnatural and barbaric.

Seachmall · 14-11-2013 11:51PM

Pixie84 wrote: »

Animals kill because they need to...humans kill for greed or pleasure.
Most of the meat on your table comes from factory farming which is completely unnatural and barbaric.

But my god is it tastey!

worded · 14-11-2013 11:52PM

clairefontaine wrote: »

Yes it is.

How about the vegan who put their cat on a vegetarian diet?

Craaaazyyyy.....

Here you go .... Had a good laugh at this

http://plantgoodness24.ie/categories/65/Vegan_Pet_Food.html

Pixie84 · 14-11-2013 11:55PM

Seachmall wrote: »

But my god is it tastey!

Hmm Yeah but if you actually see where it comes from- the conditions the animal is kept in, the method it's killed as well as the suffering involved in all this it kinda makes you lose your appetite for it. Not to mention the fact that meat isn't particularly good for you...have you heard many professionals recommend a diet high in meat content?

SeaDaily · 14-11-2013 11:59PM

Pixie84 wrote: »

Hmm Yeah but if you actually see where it comes from- the conditions the animal is kept in, the method it's killed as well as the suffering involved in all this it kinda makes you lose your appetite for it. Not to mention the fact that meat isn't particularly good for you...have you head many professionals recommend a diet high in meat content?

Nope. Im fully aware of how meat comes to be on our tables I just really couldn't care less. It tastes great so why would I give it up? Why make life more difficult by trying to avoid meat? Vegans and the like need to stop trying to enforce their ideas on others. Nobody cares about what they have to say.

Pixie84 · 15-11-2013 12:01AM

SeaDaily wrote: »

Nope. Im fully aware of how meat comes to be on our tables I just really couldn't care less. It tastes great so why would I give it up? Why make life more difficult by trying to avoid meat? Vegans and the like need to stop trying to enforce their ideas on others. Nobody cares about what they have to say.

The same can be said about meat eaters. Why do they attack people who follow a vegan diet?

rawn · 15-11-2013 12:03AM

Pixie84 wrote: »

Hmm Yeah but if you actually see where it comes from- the conditions the animal is kept in, the method it's killed as well as the suffering involved in all this it kinda makes you lose your appetite for it.

I watched Vegucated recently. Wasn't the best documentary, I prefer to look at veganism from a nutritional POV rather than an ethical one, but I have to say, the footage that they showed briefly of the animals in the slaughter house, and the dairy cows was downright disgusting. I actually almost cried. There is no need for us, as humans, to treat animals as if they do not feel pain or fear. We not only can survive without meat, but we can also survive by eating meat without the torturing of animals prior to slaughtering.

ElvisChrist6 · 15-11-2013 12:04AM

Eating mostly just bananas or whatever, is technically a vegan, but... I'd hate to be under the same umbrella as a fucking flake like that.

Eeden · 15-11-2013 12:04AM

Pixie84 wrote: »

Animals kill because they need to...humans kill for greed or pleasure.
Most of the meat on your table comes from factory farming which is completely unnatural and barbaric.

I've never, ever killed for greed or pleasure. I know some folks think it's "cowardly" to eat meat you haven't killed yourself.

I hardly ever eat meat, but it's not because I'm a vegetarian. I don't rule it out of my diet; I do like meat sometimes.

Seachmall · 15-11-2013 12:14AM

Pixie84 wrote: »

have you heard many professionals recommend a diet high in meat content?

Well professionals like to recommend varied diets.

Although my doc and physio have both commented on how tastey meat is. Not sure if that counts.

Forest Demon · 15-11-2013 12:16AM

Facial Muscles
CARNIVORE: Reduced to allow wide mouth gape
HERBIVORE: Well-developed
OMNIVORE: Reduced
HUMAN: Well-developed

Jaw Type
CARNIVORE: Angle not expanded
HERBIVORE: Expanded angle
OMNIVORE: Angle not expanded
HUMAN: Expanded angle

Jaw Joint Location
CARNIVORE: On same plane as molar teeth
HERBIVORE: Above the plane of the molars
OMNIVORE: On same plane as molar teeth
HUMAN: Above the plane of the molars

Jaw Motion
CARNIVORE: Shearing; minimal side-to-side motion
HERBIVORE: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back
OMNIVORE: Shearing; minimal side-to-side
HUMAN: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back

Major Jaw Muscles
CARNIVORE: Temporalis
HERBIVORE: Masseter and pterygoids
OMNIVORE: Temporalis
HUMAN: Masseter and pterygoids

Mouth Opening vs. Head Size
CARNIVORE: Large
HERBIVORE: Small
OMNIVORE: Large
HUMAN: Small

Teeth: Incisors
CARNIVORE: Short and pointed
HERBIVORE: Broad, flattened and spade shaped
OMNIVORE: Short and pointed
HUMAN: Broad, flattened and spade shaped

Teeth: Canines
CARNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
HERBIVORE: Dull and short or long (for defense), or none
OMNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
HUMAN: Short and blunted

Teeth: Molars
CARNIVORE: Sharp, jagged and blade shaped
HERBIVORE: Flattened with cusps vs complex surface
OMNIVORE: Sharp blades and/or flattened
HUMAN: Flattened with nodular cusps

Chewing
CARNIVORE: None; swallows food whole
HERBIVORE: Extensive chewing necessary
OMNIVORE: Swallows food whole and/or simple crushing
HUMAN: Extensive chewing necessary

Saliva
CARNIVORE: No digestive enzymes
HERBIVORE: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes
OMNIVORE: No digestive enzymes
HUMAN: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes

Stomach Type
CARNIVORE: Simple
HERBIVORE: Simple or multiple chambers
OMNIVORE: Simple
HUMAN: Simple

Stomach Acidity
CARNIVORE: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
HERBIVORE: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach
OMNIVORE: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
HUMAN: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach

Stomach Capacity
CARNIVORE: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract
HERBIVORE: Less than 30% of total volume of digestive tract
OMNIVORE: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract
HUMAN: 21% to 27% of total volume of digestive tract

Length of Small Intestine
CARNIVORE: 3 to 6 times body length
HERBIVORE: 10 to more than 12 times body length
OMNIVORE: 4 to 6 times body length
HUMAN: 10 to 11 times body length

Colon
CARNIVORE: Simple, short and smooth
HERBIVORE: Long, complex; may be sacculated
OMNIVORE: Simple, short and smooth
HUMAN: Long, sacculated

Liver
CARNIVORE: Can detoxify vitamin A
HERBIVORE: Cannot detoxify vitamin A
OMNIVORE: Can detoxify vitamin A
HUMAN: Cannot detoxify vitamin A

Kidney
CARNIVORE: Extremely concentrated urine
HERBIVORE: Moderately concentrated urine
OMNIVORE: Extremely concentrated urine
HUMAN: Moderately concentrated urine

Nails
CARNIVORE: Sharp claws
HERBIVORE: Flattened nails or blunt hooves
OMNIVORE: Sharp claws
HUMAN: Flattened nails

Hands
Look at the shape of your hands – they are clearly ’designed’ to eat fruit, etc. and not kill or skin an
animal to eat its flesh. Our nails are not shaped like claws, and are not strong, but they are designed to
skin an orange. It is obvious that flesh usually needs cooking before humans ingest it, and cooking is not
a ‘natural’ thing to do. Flesh is NOT easily assimilated into our bodies.

- See more at: http://theveganpost.com/2009/are-humans-omnivores/#sthash.nVsvJRyx.dpuf

eviltwin · 15-11-2013 12:18AM

clairefontaine wrote: »

Veganism should be e mental illness.

Why? What business is it of yours how anyone chooses to eat?

I'm a vegetarian dipping my toe into veganism. I have never been fond of meat and don't like the taste of dairy so its not that big a deal for me but I've never heard as much crap from people about it, you would swear I had declared I was going to live off a diet of mung beans and water for the rest of my life.

Its a personal choice, how I eat or not eat doesn't affect you or anyone else so why compare it to a mental illness?

Zillah · 15-11-2013 12:21AM

Forest Demon wrote: »

- See more at: http://theveganpost.com/2009/are-humans-omnivores/#sthash.nVsvJRyx.dpuf

I'm a vegetarian and I'd like to point out that this is completely idiotic.

It also doesn't matter a flying flip what we are evolutionarily defined as, we can still make decisions. Which leads me to...

Eeden wrote: »

I wish I had a way to make people take a step back and see with fresh eyes the fact that we are animals also, and that we are omnivores, and that given the chance, other animals would kill us to take our flesh and put it in their mouths.

So? We developed as omnivores - we can be healthy herbivores. Cows still feel pain and fear, and probably wouldn't have any interest in eating you.

SeaDaily · 15-11-2013 12:23AM

Forest Demon wrote: »

Facial Muscles
CARNIVORE: Reduced to allow wide mouth gape
HERBIVORE: Well-developed
OMNIVORE: Reduced
HUMAN: Well-developed

Jaw Type
CARNIVORE: Angle not expanded
HERBIVORE: Expanded angle
OMNIVORE: Angle not expanded
HUMAN: Expanded angle

Jaw Joint Location
CARNIVORE: On same plane as molar teeth
HERBIVORE: Above the plane of the molars
OMNIVORE: On same plane as molar teeth
HUMAN: Above the plane of the molars

Jaw Motion
CARNIVORE: Shearing; minimal side-to-side motion
HERBIVORE: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back
OMNIVORE: Shearing; minimal side-to-side
HUMAN: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back

Major Jaw Muscles
CARNIVORE: Temporalis
HERBIVORE: Masseter and pterygoids
OMNIVORE: Temporalis
HUMAN: Masseter and pterygoids

Mouth Opening vs. Head Size
CARNIVORE: Large
HERBIVORE: Small
OMNIVORE: Large
HUMAN: Small

Teeth: Incisors
CARNIVORE: Short and pointed
HERBIVORE: Broad, flattened and spade shaped
OMNIVORE: Short and pointed
HUMAN: Broad, flattened and spade shaped

Teeth: Canines
CARNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
HERBIVORE: Dull and short or long (for defense), or none
OMNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
HUMAN: Short and blunted

Teeth: Molars
CARNIVORE: Sharp, jagged and blade shaped
HERBIVORE: Flattened with cusps vs complex surface
OMNIVORE: Sharp blades and/or flattened
HUMAN: Flattened with nodular cusps

Chewing
CARNIVORE: None; swallows food whole
HERBIVORE: Extensive chewing necessary
OMNIVORE: Swallows food whole and/or simple crushing
HUMAN: Extensive chewing necessary

Saliva
CARNIVORE: No digestive enzymes
HERBIVORE: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes
OMNIVORE: No digestive enzymes
HUMAN: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes

Stomach Type
CARNIVORE: Simple
HERBIVORE: Simple or multiple chambers
OMNIVORE: Simple
HUMAN: Simple

Stomach Acidity
CARNIVORE: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
HERBIVORE: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach
OMNIVORE: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
HUMAN: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach

Stomach Capacity
CARNIVORE: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract
HERBIVORE: Less than 30% of total volume of digestive tract
OMNIVORE: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract
HUMAN: 21% to 27% of total volume of digestive tract

Length of Small Intestine
CARNIVORE: 3 to 6 times body length
HERBIVORE: 10 to more than 12 times body length
OMNIVORE: 4 to 6 times body length
HUMAN: 10 to 11 times body length

Colon
CARNIVORE: Simple, short and smooth
HERBIVORE: Long, complex; may be sacculated
OMNIVORE: Simple, short and smooth
HUMAN: Long, sacculated

Liver
CARNIVORE: Can detoxify vitamin A
HERBIVORE: Cannot detoxify vitamin A
OMNIVORE: Can detoxify vitamin A
HUMAN: Cannot detoxify vitamin A

Kidney
CARNIVORE: Extremely concentrated urine
HERBIVORE: Moderately concentrated urine
OMNIVORE: Extremely concentrated urine
HUMAN: Moderately concentrated urine

Nails
CARNIVORE: Sharp claws
HERBIVORE: Flattened nails or blunt hooves
OMNIVORE: Sharp claws
HUMAN: Flattened nails

Hands
Look at the shape of your hands – they are clearly ’designed’ to eat fruit, etc. and not kill or skin an
animal to eat its flesh. Our nails are not shaped like claws, and are not strong, but they are designed to
skin an orange. It is obvious that flesh usually needs cooking before humans ingest it, and cooking is not
a ‘natural’ thing to do. Flesh is NOT easily assimilated into our bodies.

- See more at: http://theveganpost.com/2009/are-humans-omnivores/#sthash.nVsvJRyx.dpuf

Please....just stop. Your posts are painful to read. You are essentially taking extremely broad observations and twisting them to present "facts" that simply aren't true. Actually no, wait, what you are essentially doing is being duped by a website aimed at gullible people and then copying and pasting their nonsense onto this page.

Seachmall · 15-11-2013 12:27AM

Forest Demon wrote: »

It is obvious that flesh usually needs cooking before humans ingest it, and cooking is not
a ‘natural’ thing to do. Flesh is NOT easily assimilated into our bodies.

- See more at: http://theveganpost.com/2009/are-humans-omnivores/#sthash.nVsvJRyx.dpuf

Even if that was all true it's completely irrelevant.

We didn't evolve to use toilets but I'll be damned if I'm shitting in a ditch.

Nutritionist calls pregnant vegan "deluded" & "irresponsible"

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