If Sinn Fein had majority Govt.

MFdaveIreland · 11-11-2013 09:43AM

I'm quite surprised that people begrudge some people in the north bringing up things that happened years ago. I'm in no way a hardcore republican etc etc, the sad reality is that Adams and the likes did what they did for a reason. Again there are stories of atrocities which can never be.undone, but the likes of the British government got away with murder, and no one has much to say about it. Northern nationalists where second class citizens prior to the likes of Adams etc getting into politics, again no angel though.

I think it is rich that people from the south preach from the moral upper hand on activities from ira and whoever, typical rubbish spewed by the ' greater good ' media and the likes . There was not a hope of nationalist Catholics being listened to prior to the likes of Sinn fein.

I would think twice before you sit on your high horse condemning left right and centre When you have never lived in what's effectively a Nazi state,

keeponhurling · 11-11-2013 09:52AM

LOL, reading this thread it sounds like if SF were voted in we'd have mass emigration and the economy in a mess.
That would be terrible.

Therefore I'll be sticking to the tried and trusted Fine Gael & Fianna Fail, thank you very much.
With the occasional switch between the two, just to keep things fresh.

CramCycle · 11-11-2013 09:59AM

SF next expenses includes several industrial size printer cartridges as they print off this thread.

ShowMeTheCash · 11-11-2013 10:09AM

I think this seems to be the stance of a lot of people on this thread:

FF and FG have basically the same party politics so whether it be Charlie, Berti, or Enda.... The country was always going to get screwed as we have basically in trusted, crooks, liars and idiots... During the Celtic tiger nobody cared everyone was on the gravy train and it was never going to end!

SF are seen as a dirty party and most or a lot of the Irish people simply do not want to be associated to said party....

SF in the north where born out of British tyranny and inequality...
I think SF have come a long way... I also think they are not to entrenched in the cronyism that has poisoned FG and FF....
Granted I think SF need to lose Adams and a few others... Ultimately I think this would be good for the party...

But we currently have a government that has sold us you the Germans....
It's not like the Germans to have a shady past :eek:

For Forks Sake · 11-11-2013 10:10AM

emo72 wrote: »

thats not true. although i believe they did horrific things in the past. there is peace in NI now. its different times now, they are able to govern in the north now. its not perfect but its a million times better than it was.

why would we tell the unionists to work with them and then say they cant work in the south? its hypocritical.

What they have in NI isn't governing, effectively they sit around in Stormont and wait for the good folks in Westminster to cut them the next cheque to keep the place going.

keeponhurling · 11-11-2013 10:29AM

For Forks Sake wrote: »

, effectively they sit around in Stormont and wait for the good folks in Westminster to cut them the next cheque to keep the place going.

That's sounds like a waste of time and money.

On a completely unrelated note, thank God we get to keep our Seanad!

Balmed Out · 11-11-2013 10:29AM

Fianna Fail have always been a centre left wing party who specialise in wild promises, poor accounting and no accountability. Sinn Fein are the new Fianna Fail.

Mint Aero · 11-11-2013 01:51PM

EireGun wrote: »

Old fogies, unlike Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness, etc.?

Maybe they could 'move on' first.

They have

unlike some it would seem :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Fred Swanson · 11-11-2013 02:21PM

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_Kaiser_ · 11-11-2013 02:24PM

You gotta love the Irish really.

Whinge constantly (and justifiably so) about the state of the country and politicians and the "brown envelope" culture etc that got us in the mess we are today

But offer something new or different to the current status quo that is FF and FG swapping seats every few years, and you get the same crowd saying they'll emigrate first, or predicting doom and gloom for the country, or trotting out the same lines as Enda about (in this case) SF's history.

In case ye all need reminding (or are just too young to remember), NONE of the current mainstream parties have a spotless history (go Google Charles Haughey and the Arms dealings for example).

I personally don't agree with a lot of what SF have to say but I do think that Pearse Doherty is the best TD in that embarrassing school yard playground we call a parliament and I think that flipping back and forth between FF & FG every few years is never going to bring the change and reform this country so badly needs. Enda and Co were voted in to do just that remember and we've all seen how well THAT has worked out!

This country is in REAL need of an alternative to the big two.. but until the Irish electorate gets over itself and grows up we're more likely to suffer years more of "austerity" and social stagnation to keep the gravy flowing at the top.

awec · 11-11-2013 02:33PM

They'd have to adjust themselves from being a reactionary party to a party with a clear and coherent economic strategy. It's easy for them to sound decent when they are able to stand back and gauge reaction to government policy at the moment.

I have seen or heard absolutely nothing from Sinn Fein to suggest they'd be anything other than useless governing at national level. Did they not say they would refund the property tax if they got into power or something like that in recent years?

dgt · 11-11-2013 02:33PM

No matter who would be voted in, the majority of voters would whinge about them anyway

_Kaiser_ · 11-11-2013 02:44PM

awec wrote: »

They'd have to adjust themselves from being a reactionary party to a party with a clear and coherent economic strategy. It's easy for them to sound decent when they are able to stand back and gauge reaction to government policy at the moment.

I have seen or heard absolutely nothing from Sinn Fein to suggest they'd be anything other than useless governing at national level. Did they not say they would refund the property tax if they got into power or something like that in recent years?

As opposed to our current lot who ensured that the promissory notes agreed to by the previous shower will be paid by the citizens of the country for decades to come? Not the best economic strategy there!

Not forgetting our current "leader" has been in so-called public service since 1975, was "double-jobbing" for 30 of those years, and hasn't the wit or ability to debate in public.. and even then (safely behind the gates of the Dail) can't do it without resorting to childish name-calling and deflection?

I'm not saying I entirely disagree with your point, but our current choices of teachers, solicitors and publicans are hardly the best qualified for the job either.

golfball37 · 11-11-2013 03:20PM

The only plausible reason for voting for them at this juncture is that it woyuld p1ss off the establishment that have leeched and bled this country dry since its inception.

The main parties and media are running so scared of SF it makes them an attractive vote for a lot of people these days.

As a nation we can't get any lower. It would be no harm bloodying a few noses imo.

the_syco · 11-11-2013 03:46PM

emo72 wrote: »

they are able to govern in the north now

Oddly enough, they seem to do everything the politicians down here do, in regards taxes, etc.

EireGun · 11-11-2013 05:54PM

Mint Aero wrote: »

They have unlike some it would seem :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

My hole they've moved on. They are still involved in 'politics', still campaigning for the release of convicted terrorists, murderers, still holding onto secrets that could help families find their buried loved ones and still lying through their teeth.

spank_inferno · 11-11-2013 06:32PM

What would the ink toner situation be like nationwide?

will office workers be queuing at ink-depots for a measly allowance while in Shinner Towers they bathe in it.

Mint Aero · 11-11-2013 06:33PM

EireGun wrote: »

My hole they've moved on. They are still involved in 'politics', still campaigning for the release of convicted terrorists, murderers, still holding onto secrets that could help families find their buried loved ones and still lying through their teeth.

:rolleyes:

Nice Username btw, buh-bye now

Cienciano · 11-11-2013 06:50PM

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

As opposed to our current lot who ensured that the promissory notes agreed to by the previous shower will be paid by the citizens of the country for decades to come? Not the best economic strategy there!

You mean the bank guarantee that Sinn Fein voted for?

spank_inferno · 11-11-2013 07:02PM

Cienciano wrote: »

You mean the bank guarantee that Sinn Fein voted for?

guaranteeing the bank deposits up to 100k for people was a different process from paying the losing bets of investors in the former Anglo Irish Bank.

In fairness to SF, they supported the former, but not the latter.

camel jockey · 11-11-2013 07:25PM

It will never happen, and if it does they would be calling the Troika back in within a year.

camel jockey · 11-11-2013 07:27PM

Does Adams know the VAT rate down here is yet?

spank_inferno · 11-11-2013 07:39PM

camel jockey wrote: »

Does Adams know the VAT rate down here is yet?

No one say "carpet bagger"

camel jockey · 11-11-2013 07:46PM

spank_inferno wrote: »

No one say "carpet bagger"

I'd hate to think what Adams and co keep in their carpet bags, so you
are not wrong.

Filibuster · 11-11-2013 08:09PM

harryr711 wrote: »

Did you just make that up? SF's budget 2014 said they would introduce a third rate of income tax at 48% on income above €100k, rather than the current single higher rate of 41%, so if you earn €40k-€100k your income tax won't change. They weren't going to increase social welfare and they weren't planning on dropping the price of alcohol.

So for a sole trader (aka your employer) earning over €100k

Income Tax of 48% + USC at 10% + PRSI at 4% = marginal tax rate of 62%

Hardly going to motivate people to expand their business and take on more staff.

Red_Wake · 11-11-2013 08:28PM

I thought we already knew not to put Paedophiles in power?

BillyMitchel · 11-11-2013 08:31PM

Red_Wake wrote: »

I thought we already knew not to put Paedophiles in power?

Will you fock off. Gobshîte

delthedriver · 11-11-2013 08:32PM

camel jockey wrote: »

I'd hate to think what Adams and co keep in their carpet bags, so you
are not wrong.

Northern Bank notes?:pac:

camel jockey · 11-11-2013 08:37PM

delthedriver wrote: »

Northern Bank notes?:pac:

I was thinking more along the lines of http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118541/

harryr711 · 11-11-2013 08:51PM

Filibuster wrote: »

So for a sole trader (aka your employer) earning over €100k

Income Tax of 48% + USC at 10% + PRSI at 4% = marginal tax rate of 62%

Hardly going to motivate people to expand their business and take on more staff.

So, 7% higher on earnings above €100k than present. All my previous employers, and most peoples' employers, aren't sole traders. Anyone I know who is self-employed/sole trader or owns their own business wouldn't let that put them off growing their business, fairly weak argument tbh. If a sole trader is paying themselves that much it'd be more tax efficient to set up a ltd company.

If Sinn Fein had majority Govt.

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