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  • #62
    just do it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭just do it


    For those lads buying in bulk, what's the shelf life of ration?


  • #63
    TUBBY
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    3 months tops well minded from damp


  • #64
    Sharpshooter82
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    TUBBY wrote: »
    3 months tops well minded from damp
    mines lucky to last 6 weeks


  • #65
    Brown Podzol
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    reilig wrote: »
    I understand.

    However I believe that buying the cheapest of the cheap isn't always the best option (lada, belarus, etc). They will achieve what you want, but may not get you what you could have achieved if you had invested a small bit more.

    You'll convince yourself that by buying ration for your cattle, you are doing the best that you can do for them, but you may not be.

    Sometimes it pays to pay a few extra euro/dollar per ton to get a feed which will give your animals better growth returns and ultimately greater profits. When feeding weinlings, I calculate that on average every 1 euro of meal that I feed will add at least 2 euro to the sales price. So if I feed 50 euro of meal to a weinling, I would expect to get 100 euro for him than if he had got no meal at all. Similar figures would follow through to finishing cattle. Choosing the cheapest ration to get the highest weight gain is the most important thing. This is why millers have sale for all price ranges of feed and why not every farmer will go for the cheapest option available.

    So while careful spending is important, it's important not to penny pinch so much that performance suffers.

    A trade off between quality and quantity for a given price. I use my own formulations and price three or four different mills to get best value.


  • #66
    reilig
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    Brown Podzol wrote: »
    A trade off between quality and quantity for a given price. I use my own formulations and price three or four different mills to get best value.

    That's the key to it.

    Some of it is trial and error too. As a farmer looking at your animals every day, you'll know how well they are doing. You'll know if they are thriving well on certain feeds by the condition of their hair and the dung that they are making. Just because a certain ration works well for me doesn't mean that it will work for you - you may have better quality silage, or different land which has more minerals in the grass that you are feeding.

    My own view is that there is not one size that fits all - its up to us as individuals to determine how we want our animals to do and what feed to use to achieve that. For some people, that means feeding no meal at all and for others it's feeding stuff that costs €300 per ton. How is someone who lives 100 miles from you, who doesn't know you, your animals, or your goals, qualified to tell you what meal to use?


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  • #67
    Brown Podzol
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    reilig wrote: »
    That's the key to it.

    Some of it is trial and error too. As a farmer looking at your animals every day, you'll know how well they are doing. You'll know if they are thriving well on certain feeds by the condition of their hair and the dung that they are making. Just because a certain ration works well for me doesn't mean that it will work for you - you may have better quality silage, or different land which has more minerals in the grass that you are feeding.

    My own view is that there is not one size that fits all - its up to us as individuals to determine how we want our animals to do and what feed to use to achieve that. For some people, that means feeding no meal at all and for others it's feeding stuff that costs €300 per ton. How is someone who lives 100 miles from you, who doesn't know you, your animals, or your goals, qualified to tell you what meal to use?

    Stockmanship. An expensive commodity acquired over time.


  • #68
    jomoloney
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    vinne wrote: »
    Would a 50:50 mix of rolled barley and maize meal fed with straw and silage be ok for dried off incalf cows, and to fatten a few culls ?

    we used 4 way mix last year and will do like wise this year
    barley: citrus : soya hulls : distillers

    west of the shannon here straw is as expensive as silage (value for € wise )so we usually don't feed it, thus they were on limited silage

    the culls finished quickly & killed out well, and actaully the dry cows were putting on too much condition & we had to curtail them a fair bit

    last year in the peak it cost €260/ton will be hoping for a far better price this time round


    a low protein mix as pointed correctly in other posts this would not be suitable for younger growing stock


  • #69
    vinne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭vinne


    Thanks for the reply.As a matter of interest how many Kgs did you feed the culls and dry cows


  • #70
    bob charles
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    Brown Podzol wrote: »
    Stockmanship. An expensive commodity acquired over time.

    often never acquired. I could count on one hand how many stockmen with stockman's brains i have met over the years


  • #71
    jersey101
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    bob charles wrote: »
    often never acquired. I could count on one hand how many stockmen with stockman's brains i have met over the years

    what do consider a good stockman?


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  • #72
    jomoloney
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    vinne wrote: »
    Thanks for the reply.As a matter of interest how many Kgs did you feed the culls and dry cows


    culls were up to 6kgs for last couple of weeks

    dry cows (depending on condition) up to 3kgs

    had a herd test in jan and vet recommended to back off in case of calfing issues or risk of milk fever so mostly 1-2 kgs after that stopping 3 weeks before calving, he also mentioned he hadn't seen many herds in as good condition.

    our main reason for feeding was shortage of silage and some silage poor quality


  • #73
    bob charles
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    jersey101 wrote: »
    what do consider a good stockman?

    thats a very hard question to answer, a guy that knows each animal nearly individually even when dealing with big numbers. I cant do it so I dont consider myself much good. Im always in too much of a rush, but stockman will not be rushed no matter what. They usually will spot an animal coming down with something up to a day before a normal person will spot a problem. similar to a dairy guy knowing their cows as they have the same cows for a good number of years

    Stock brain is something else and a bit eccentric, they can list prices and know every animal they bought for years on end, again I know a few who can do it, how they do it I havnt a clue, I would harly remember last weeks animals


  • #74
    jersey101
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    bob charles wrote: »
    thats a very hard question to answer, a guy that knows each animal nearly individually even when dealing with big numbers. I cant do it so I dont consider myself much good. Im always in too much of a rush, but stockman will not be rushed no matter what. They usually will spot an animal coming down with something up to a day before a normal person will spot a problem. similar to a dairy guy knowing their cows as they have the same cows for a good number of years

    Stock brain is something else and a bit eccentric, they can list prices and know every animal they bought for years on end, again I know a few who can do it, how they do it I havnt a clue, I would harly remember last weeks animals
    There's a lad in my discussion group milking 120+ cows and he knows every singles cows number just by looking at her. No freeze branding because he knows whos who. He also knows which heifer came from which cow.


  • #75
    O2b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 ✭O2b


    This 16% nut from southern millings. €8.15 a bag, €283 a tonne collected. Any thoughts on contents?


  • #76
    O2b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 ✭O2b


    This 16% nut from southern millings. €8.15 a bag, €283 a tonne collected. Any thoughts on contents?


  • #77
    bbam
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    O2b wrote: »
    This 16% nut from southern millings. €8.15 a bag, €283 a tonne collected. Any thoughts on contents?

    Is 8% very high for ash content ??


  • #78
    OnDtown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 ✭OnDtown


    We're in the process of pricing a ration also. We've put together the following mix and should receive a price for it today. Anyone got any comments on it or what price they would expect it to come in at?

    Toasted barley.........................30%
    Maize meal..............................15%
    Flaked maize...........................15%
    Soya hulls...............................15%
    Beans.....................................10%
    Soya......................................10%
    Molasses & minerals.................5%


  • #79
    limo_100
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    How do you know the %of energy in the mix i can never pick in out of the ingredients? What %would i want for weanlings??


  • #80
    DMAXMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭DMAXMAN


    OnDtown wrote: »
    We're in the process of pricing a ration also. We've put together the following mix and should receive a price for it today. Anyone got any comments on it or what price they would expect it to come in at?

    Toasted barley.........................30%
    Maize meal..............................15%
    Flaked maize...........................15%
    Soya hulls...............................15%
    Beans.....................................10%
    Soya......................................10%
    Molasses & minerals.................5%
    I would reckon that the starch levels are very high in that if you were going to feed high levels to stock, I would be very careful if feeding over 5kgs per day. imo not suitable for ad-lib feeding. working out about 14% protein if I am working it out correctly


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