If Sinn Fein had majority Govt.

IrishProd · 06-11-2013 05:11PM

Axel Lamp wrote: »

They'd increase corporation tax, then i'd be on the dole within a month. The dole would be then be cut after about 2 months after the Shinners realise their economic policies are idiotic.
Tax the wealthy

The wealthy leave

Tax the middle class then

Middle class can't afford to leave the country

Tax the middle class pensions too

Whereas in reality its:

Tax the wealthy middle classes and poor
The wealthy middle-classes and poor leave
Tax the middle class then and the poor more
The middle-class & poor can't afford to leave the country
Tax them some more.
The wealthier get wealthier and think it is all hilarious.

Mint Aero · 06-11-2013 08:48PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Old fogies harping on about the Sh*t (murders) that happened only 30, 40+ years ago . . .

How dare we indeed :cool:

Murders on both sides. Easy to take the high horse position from the comfort of your arm chair though isn't it? You're perfectly correct but move on, I dont see the point of clinging onto a fear of SF anymore. They've progressed, can the rest of ye please catch up? It's 2013.

TheBoffin · 06-11-2013 08:50PM

If Sinn Fein had majority Govt.

... then f*ck all would be done because they would be too busy fighting a loosing battle for a united ireland

Augmerson · 06-11-2013 11:33PM

Axel Lamp wrote: »

They'd increase corporation tax, then i'd be on the dole within a month. The dole would be then be cut after about 2 months after the Shinners realise their economic policies are idiotic.
Tax the wealthy

The wealthy leave

Tax the middle class then

Middle class can't afford to leave the country

Tax the middle class pensions too

Maybe, but by the looks of it several countries in the EU are gunning for our corporation tax to be higher anyway. FG/Lab will probably bow to the pressure. Let's have a pint when you're on the dole then eh?

goose2005 · 06-11-2013 11:49PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

No. Which came about with the Plantation of Ulster in the early 1600s. It was the divide and conquer mechanism religiously employed (pun intended).

http://www.thereformation.info/plantnire1610.htm

I don't know why people say it was "divide and conquer", it doesn't really apply. It was seizure of land to pay back war debts, and also replace a disloyal population with a loyal one.

delthedriver · 11-11-2013 12:17AM

Sinn Fein the majority in Government? LOL:D

Filibuster · 11-11-2013 12:53AM

Deleted User wrote: »

People have very active imaginations :eek:

I think it would be refreshing to have a Government representing us in the EU that won't bow down unquestioningly before our EU masters.

Leaving the obvious IRA jokes aside, you know that SF know how to negotiate and play hardball in negotiations (thinking Good Friday agreement)

Eh the very first thing SF will do in government would be to increase the Corporation Tax rate. The 2nd thing will be to wave goodbye to all the multinational companies that will leave to Berlin.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 11-11-2013 01:21AM

errlloyd wrote: »

I'd emigrate.

And yet you (and the 46 people who thanked your post) were quiet happy to stick around under FF...?

moxin · 11-11-2013 01:44AM

Its quite hilarious seeing young people deriding this topic and yet they are the very ones who have been forced to emigrate under FF\FG\Lab.

Stats speak for themselves(courtesy of CSO), a couple of hundred thousand young people(under 35) have emigrated in the last 5 years. The rest of them who don't have jobs are languishing on the dole.

Jimoslimos · 11-11-2013 01:45AM

Let's be realistic here (or at least try!). Before SF would have a sniff of a majority govt they'd most likely form part of a coalition or rainbow coalition as the minority party - and even that is unlikely though not impossible.

Previous minority party coalition partners have tended to bomb (no pun intended) at the following elections - even worse than the larger partner in government. Greens, PDs and Labour have all suffered that fate in the past.

Our system of voting by proportional representation is more likely to give the lunatic fringe a voice in DÉ, but far less likely to enable those elements to gain outright power.

Jimoslimos · 11-11-2013 01:48AM

goose2005 wrote: »

I don't know why people say it was "divide and conquer", it doesn't really apply. It was seizure of land to pay back war debts, and also replace a disloyal population with a loyal one.

That sounds somewhat like ethnic cleansing.

Fred Swanson · 11-11-2013 02:09AM

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the_syco · 11-11-2013 02:14AM

Augmerson wrote: »

Maybe, but by the looks of it several countries in the EU are gunning for our corporation tax to be higher anyway. FG/Lab will probably bow to the pressure. Let's have a pint when you're on the dole then eh?

Our Corpo tax goes up, all American companies leave, and suddenly whoever is left in charge find out really quickly that there are no home grown industries to employ them all?

IrishWelshCelt · 11-11-2013 02:16AM

Axel Lamp wrote: »

They'd increase corporation tax, then i'd be on the dole within a month. The dole would be then be cut after about 2 months after the Shinners realise their economic policies are idiotic.
Tax the wealthy

The wealthy leave

Tax the middle class then

Middle class can't afford to leave the country

Tax the middle class pensions too

No they wouldnt:

Sinn Féin supports the 12.5% corporation tax rate. We do not want to change it and we are not asking struggling companies to pay more tax. However, the effective rate of tax on profits must be addressed.

http://www.sinnfein.ie/budget-2013-tax-and-savings#.UoAvPfk72So

Honestly the amount of sh*te in this thread is unreal. Their policies are free to read, best case scenario they turn out to improve our political, medical, educational and wider social society, worst case scenario its more of the same as we've seen from FF/FG/Labour.

emo72 · 11-11-2013 02:23AM

i'd love it if they had a majority government. as if things worked out better under FF/FG/L/PD/GREENS anyway. the only ones who are slating them are people who want to protect the status quo. well **** that. i think they really sound like a decent alternative.

lets be honest here. FF/FG/L/PD/GREENS are so bad SF are looking decent. thats where we're at.

foggy_lad · 11-11-2013 02:24AM

If sin fein had a majority government..........we don't have enough bogs and beaches to hide all the people they would have to kill to get into power.

emo72 · 11-11-2013 02:30AM

foggy_lad wrote: »

If sin fein had a majority government..........we don't have enough bogs and beaches to hide all the people they would have to kill to get into power.

thats not true. although i believe they did horrific things in the past. there is peace in NI now. its different times now, they are able to govern in the north now. its not perfect but its a million times better than it was.

why would we tell the unionists to work with them and then say they cant work in the south? its hypocritical.

BillyMitchel · 11-11-2013 02:30AM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

The passport office will be the only growth sector.

Its Gowing the way things are now and doesn't look like slowing down.

Never voted SF and no idea if I ever will but I tell you something if a third of the Dail had the passion and convection that Pearce Doherty has Ireland would be a much better place.

Ireland defo needs radical change and after the next general election if FF/FG/labour get back into power, many many more will suffer and leave. It really is a shame.

5 point plan

Vote yes for jobs

Not another cent

Ask my bollocks

EDIT: for the people who say all the big multinationals will just pull out, do you really think Intel, Microsoft, HP and all the .com places like FB, Twitter would just pull out after spending billions to set up here? Not a hope.. Lowest C.tax in Europe they can pay a bit more instead of more and more austerity on normal working folk.

CramCycle · 11-11-2013 02:37AM

emo72 wrote: »

i'd love it if they had a majority government. as if things worked out better under FF/FG/L/PD/GREENS anyway. the only ones who are slating them are people who want to protect the status quo. well **** that. i think they really sound like a decent alternative.

lets be honest here. FF/FG/L/PD/GREENS are so bad SF are looking decent. thats where we're at.

What was wrong with the greens?

emo72 · 11-11-2013 02:43AM

CramCycle wrote: »

What was wrong with the greens?

they kept FF in power when we were all begging for an election. i contacted my local green td and begged him to quit government. he said well at least they could influence things while in power, like puppy farms!

his explanation for propping FF up was "puppy farms" FFSAKE

they were a disgrace. thinking of their pensions. **** them also.

EireGun · 11-11-2013 02:48AM

Mint Aero wrote: »

All the old fogies harping on about sh*t that happened 30, 40+ years ago. Will ye ever move on? Only Irish people could be this backward.

Old fogies, unlike Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness, etc.?

Maybe they could 'move on' first.

emo72 · 11-11-2013 02:50AM

EireGun wrote: »

Old fogies, unlike Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness, etc.?

Maybe they could 'move on' first.

agreed. if they would go, SF would become a lot more palatable for regular voters. they will go.

Iwasfrozen · 11-11-2013 02:51AM

IrishWelshCelt wrote: »

Honestly the amount of sh*te in this thread is unreal. Their policies are free to read, best case scenario they turn out to improve our political, medical, educational and wider social society, worst case scenario its more of the same as we've seen from FF/FG/Labour.

How do you work that out? Worst case scenario is by definition a lot worse than the status quo.

diomed · 11-11-2013 02:54AM

Gerry's head on the Euro coins. "26 counties land" on all coins.
Bank robbing would be a major economic activity, with the IMF topping up the shortages.

Richard Hillman · 11-11-2013 03:18AM

They'd pretty much be the same as FF only they will increase taxes on the middle classes.

Knowing that that their voter base are the underclass and the working class, things like social welfare would be a bonanza and healthcare would more readily available at an unsustainable level. They'll probably drop the price of booze too.

If you earn more than 40k a year, you are screwed. SF know you're not going to vote for them and they won't give a toss about you.

It will very much like Thatchers government and the city of Liverpool. No matter what we do, you ain't gonna vote for us so we will look after our current and potential voters.

After everything goes to ****, Fine Gael will have to pick up the pieces and play the bad guy as usual.

Lou.m · 11-11-2013 05:55AM

They are constrained by the same budget that the current lot are.

They might redistribute it slightly but they can't do much different.

They would also bring NI politics to the forefront in a negative way I feel.

Relations with the UK would be strained after much improvement over the years.

People in the ROI who do not know the whereabouts of their relatives remains would get upset.

I imagine certain working class areas in Dublin that associated the SF with drugs and crime would surprise you and not be too happy.

It is actually middle rural Ireland that supports them.

Irish would be push to the forefront and that alone would piss people off to cause a revolution. We would all be made speak it.

They would not co-operate with the EU. And since they allowed themselves to be corrupted in the civil rights movement into using violence I imagine they would be corrupted in politics into immorality in another way . They lack character.

NI is not exactly an economic wonder ...what have they done there? They destroyed the economy for years by making a huge misjudgement on how civil rights should be won. They used violence instead of a political route. That was a big mistake. Other parties did not choose that path.

The trouble is I have less reason to trust them based on their history than FG. Succumbing to violence is not what great leaders do. It is what weak men do.

Mandela Tutu etc...There are leaders in the North whom I respect for not going the path SF members did. It shows a huge lack of political savy they had ample opportunity to take a different route. They were disillusion as they are now. SF reality is not reality. They believed for years the IRA could create an united Ireland. 'The TEETH of the IRA'.

Regardless of what you think of them morally they are not intellectual or effective. Infact they are the least effective party and one of the worst for expenses and role keeping.

Go live in NI if you want them in power over you. At least then you have the British tax payer helping you out.

Nodin · 11-11-2013 06:53AM

Lou.m wrote: »

The trouble is I have less reason to trust them based on their history than FG. Succumbing to violence is not what great leaders do. It is what weak men do.

Mandela Tutu etc...There are leaders in the North whom I respect for not going the path SF members did. It shows a huge lack of political savy they had ample opportunity to take a different route. They were disillusion as they are now. SF reality is not reality. They believed for years the IRA could create an united Ireland. 'The TEETH of the IRA'.

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You might want to read up on Mr Mandela.....

seamus · 11-11-2013 08:33AM

Lou.m wrote: »

They are constrained by the same budget that the current lot are.

They might redistribute it slightly but they can't do much different.

This is the truth, but it's not what SF tell people.

If we were to take SF's line on it, they would increase taxation on business and the middle and upper classes, while throwing money at unemployment and social welfare.

Because this would result in a lot of the middle class either emigrating or becoming unemployed when their employers up sticks and move, in reality they would find themselves pretty toothless and restricted in what they're doing aside from some cursory 1%'s here and there on "wealth".
They would waste an insane amount of time and money pursuing unimportant issues likes the status of the Irish language, memorials for dead terrorists and other pointless nationalist bric-a-brac, while real issues laid unaddressed.

harryr711 · 11-11-2013 09:04AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

They'd pretty much be the same as FF only they will increase taxes on the middle classes.

Knowing that that their voter base are the underclass and the working class, things like social welfare would be a bonanza and healthcare would more readily available at an unsustainable level. They'll probably drop the price of booze too.

If you earn more than 40k a year, you are screwed. SF know you're not going to vote for them and they won't give a toss about you.

It will very much like Thatchers government and the city of Liverpool. No matter what we do, you ain't gonna vote for us so we will look after our current and potential voters.

After everything goes to ****, Fine Gael will have to pick up the pieces and play the bad guy as usual.

Did you just make that up? SF's budget 2014 said they would introduce a third rate of income tax at 48% on income above €100k, rather than the current single higher rate of 41%, so if you earn €40k-€100k your income tax won't change. They weren't going to increase social welfare and they weren't planning on dropping the price of alcohol.

harryr711 · 11-11-2013 09:38AM

Lou.m wrote: »

They are constrained by the same budget that the current lot are.

They might redistribute it slightly but they can't do much different.

They would also bring NI politics to the forefront in a negative way I feel.

Relations with the UK would be strained after much improvement over the years.

People in the ROI who do not know the whereabouts of their relatives remains would get upset.

I imagine certain working class areas in Dublin that associated the SF with drugs and crime would surprise you and not be too happy.

It is actually middle rural Ireland that supports them.

Irish would be push to the forefront and that alone would piss people off to cause a revolution. We would all be made speak it.

They would not co-operate with the EU. And since they allowed themselves to be corrupted in the civil rights movement into using violence I imagine they would be corrupted in politics into immorality in another way . They lack character.

NI is not exactly an economic wonder ...what have they done there? They destroyed the economy for years by making a huge misjudgement on how civil rights should be won. They used violence instead of a political route. That was a big mistake. Other parties did not choose that path.

The trouble is I have less reason to trust them based on their history than FG. Succumbing to violence is not what great leaders do. It is what weak men do.

Mandela Tutu etc...There are leaders in the North whom I respect for not going the path SF members did. It shows a huge lack of political savy they had ample opportunity to take a different route. They were disillusion as they are now. SF reality is not reality. They believed for years the IRA could create an united Ireland. 'The TEETH of the IRA'.

Regardless of what you think of them morally they are not intellectual or effective. Infact they are the least effective party and one of the worst for expenses and role keeping.

Go live in NI if you want them in power over you. At least then you have the British tax payer helping you out.

How would relations with the UK and Europe be strained apart from Enda no longer being the whipping boy? http://joehiggins.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/enda+kenny+sarkozy+body+language.jpg

Both FF and SF have been critical of FG's lack of engagement with the six counties, because if the peace process stagnates and there is a lack of engagement then there will be a return to violence. It can only be a positive thing for any of them to have further engagement.

FF, FG and Labour all pay homage and trace their roots back to men of violence. We have had men of violence running the country in the past, they're looked upon as heroes. Most political parties and governments have violence in their past or present. Does that make the whole world corruptible and immoral?

As for SF not being intellectual or effective, they had a costed budget, the same can't be said for FF, and FG's one has proven to be erroneous.

All SF's support is in middle rural Ireland, yet they have four TDs from Dublin and two TDs from Cork?

I doubt you know the ins and outs of the economy of the six counties so I won't get started.

Mandela was initially opposed to violence but that changed around 1960 and he persuaded others who were opposed to violence to form an armed group. When he was offered release from prison on condition that renounce violence as a legitimate means of resistance, he refused.

If Sinn Fein had majority Govt.

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