Royal Marine Found Guilty of Murder

Lapin · 09-11-2013 03:46AM

riffmongous wrote: »

Not every person fighting for the Taliban is an extremist though,

Of course not.
But their sentiments lie with the Taliban whether they themselves are extremist or not.

That doesn't excuse the Taliban for their existance.

There are echoes of paramilatary membership on this island in recent years.

Not every person with aspirations for a united Ireland was/is a member of the (P)IRA.

riffmongous wrote: »

I think it was in the Doug Beattie book where he described how many of them would simply be locals conscripted or pressganged or simply after a few bucks. Also do not forget that many of the current afghan army and police also fought for the taliban previously, did they suddenly go from evil, murdering extremists to law and order loving democrats as soon as they decided they would get better looked after in the APA?

I guess it's just easier to dehumanise them for propaganda efforts, it makes it easier that way to justify flattening a village or wiping out entire families if people can convince themselves that they just killed a great evil.

My points in relation to the British Soldier are in no way meant to dehumanise any civilian in the areas where the British forces have a presence.

It is a simple acknowledgement that many of those on the side of that suffered at the hands of the Marine would think nothing of killing evertone within range, without any regard for the Geneva Convention.

6 months ago an off duty British soldier was run down and hacked to death in a London street.

I never want to see that occur again. And I applaud the soldier in this case for taking action to ensure that it doesn't.

He should be released without charge right now.

Lapin · 09-11-2013 03:53AM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

If the squaddie wants to protect people as they sleep, why not deploy to Willesden, Hackney, Clapton, Moss Side, Balsall Heath, Toxteth and some of the Northern towns?

WilyCoyote wrote: »

The places I mentioned are hell holes.

Have you ever lived in any of those places ?

09-11-2013 04:04AM

To lapin

But do you not think the execution of a prisoner will result in more hatred and lead to the deaths of more British soldiers? I honestly think that the court case shows a high level of professionalism instead of the usual whitewashes (bloody sunday) or missing files (Kenya)

I myself am not really against ISAF, I just wish it was handled a hell of a lot better and actually led to an improvement in the lives of Afghanis, instead of all the death and destruction.

MonaPizza · 09-11-2013 04:13AM

Riddle101 wrote: »

Really smart guys filming the whole thing :rolleyes: But I suppose they did shoot themselves in the foot so one guys mistake is another ones gain.

Wonder if the camera is now in fear of its life and on the run for exposing a crime.
That camera and recorder jeopardised "National Security" and gave comfort to the "enemy".

Stick that camera in with Manning, and torture the crap out of it! DAMMIT!

WilyCoyote · 09-11-2013 04:41AM

Lapin wrote: »

Have you ever lived in any of those places ?

With the exception of Moss Side, have lived/worked in London, Birmingham and Liverpool. Why?

I still visit Birmingham and London when on holidays.

Happyman42 · 09-11-2013 12:13PM

riffmongous wrote: »

To lapin

But do you not think the execution of a prisoner will result in more hatred and lead to the deaths of more British soldiers? I honestly think that the court case shows a high level of professionalism instead of the usual whitewashes (bloody sunday) or missing files (Kenya)

I would imagine the existence of the film was the imperative here. Not necessarily 'a high level of professionalism'. The possibility of film finding it's way on to the airwaves tied their hands.

Neutronale · 09-11-2013 12:24PM

Corvo wrote: »

Royal Marine Guilty Of Murdering Afghan Fighter

http://news.sky.com/story/1165881/royal-marine-guilty-of-murdering-afghan-fighter

Glad they have charged him with murder, and hopefully he will be made an example of to deter soldiers taking things into their own hands and creating their own laws, though I have no doubt that throughout the armed forces, things like this may happen regularly.

And quoting Shakespeare? Who is this guy?

Mod: On phone here so would you mind putting the text into quote boxes. Cheers

Moral of the story is, switch off your helmet cam :rolleyes:

MonstaMash · 09-11-2013 12:36PM

"A Royal Marine has been found guilty of murdering an Afghan fighter, who had been seriously wounded by an Apache attack helicopter"

Mercy killing...I'd have done the same.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 09-11-2013 12:38PM

Lapin wrote: »

Of course not.
But their sentiments lie with the Taliban whether they themselves are extremist or not.

That doesn't excuse the Taliban for their existance.

There are echoes of paramilatary membership on this island in recent years.

Not every person with aspirations for a united Ireland was/is a member of the (P)IRA.

My points in relation to the British Soldier are in no way meant to dehumanise any civilian in the areas where the British forces have a presence.

It is a simple acknowledgement that many of those on the side of that suffered at the hands of the Marine would think nothing of killing evertone within range, without any regard for the Geneva Convention.

6 months ago an off duty British soldier was run down and hacked to death in a London street.

I never want to see that occur again. And I applaud the soldier in this case for taking action to ensure that it doesn't.

He should be released without charge right now.

Happily he has been sentenced to Life Imprisonment, the length of time this particular murderer must serve before being eligible to apply for parole will be decided in December.

wes · 09-11-2013 12:52PM

Lapin wrote: »

6 months ago an off duty British soldier was run down and hacked to death in a London street.

I never want to see that occur again.

Ok, that interesting, seeing as he was attacked due actions of the British military in foreign countries, you know the stated reason for there attack on him...... Your reasoning is rather questionable.... Seeing as a lot these guys are attacking and recruited on the basis of America and British foreign adventures.

I will note that a elderly Muslim man was also brutally murdered by a White Supremacist terrorist, the week before, and that was largely ignored by the media. Basically the exact same crime, also committed by an extremist terrorist, but I guess he had the wrong skin colour, so wasn't worth covering to the same degree. The same terrorist was also responsible for multiple bombings as well, and yet **** all media attention.

Lapin wrote: »

And I applaud the soldier in this case for taking action to ensure that it doesn't.

He should be released without charge right now.

Good to see you openly support murder. Yes, I know the excuse will be, well the Taliban don't play by the rule etc, but last time I checked both sides have hardly played by the rules, and the British government violated all kind of laws, when they invaded Iraq, looking for WMDs that existed soley in Tony Blairs and Geogre W Bush imaginations. Then, there are revalations about torture, and the killing of prisoners (see the documentary Taxi to the Dark Side for example), and all the stuff that wikileaks has revealed.

So the entire pretending that one side is playing by the rules is a bit much, as we know better, after all the revelations over the years. No one gives a crap about the rules, and are basically doing as the please.

The only reason this guy is being prosecuted is that he was dumb enough to do it on video. I am sure there is far worse that we don't know about, that they are hiding, and what has been leaked is just the tip of the iceberg.

MonstaMash · 09-11-2013 01:01PM

wes wrote: »

Good to see you openly support murder.

Ever see what a 50cal round can do to the human body?

I have & if the rounds came from an Apache mini-gun, we're talking multiple wounds of an extreme nature.

I don't condone murder of enemy combatants, I respect the Geneva Convention, but sometimes in a combat situation, steps are taken, whether acknowledged or not, where the rules of engagement are ignored for better or worse.

EuropeanSon · 09-11-2013 01:02PM

The blind soldier-worship in here, and in the media in general, is pathetic.

wes · 09-11-2013 01:04PM

MonstaMash wrote: »

Ever see what a 50cal round can do to the human body?

I have & if the rounds came from an Apache mini-gun, we're talking multiple wounds of an extreme nature.

I don't condone murder of enemy combatants, I respect the Geneva Convention, but sometimes in a combat situation, steps are taken, whether acknowledged or not, where the rules of engagement are ignored for better or worse.

Seeing as the man was found guilty of murder, I fail to see the relevance. If this was a mercy killing, then I doubt he would have been found guilty of murder, and probably would have been found guilty of man slaughter or something.

Also, the person, I replied to, said they applauded what was done, which is clearly support for murder.

Billy86 · 09-11-2013 01:09PM

Lapin wrote: »

I never want to see that occur again. And I applaud the soldier in this case for taking action to ensure that it doesn't.

He should be released without charge right now.

This is a massive, massive troll job... right? You do realise how much the Taliban and extremist propaganda on that side of the world would absolutely feed off of that, yes?

MonstaMash wrote: »

"A Royal Marine has been found guilty of murdering an Afghan fighter, who had been seriously wounded by an Apache attack helicopter"

Mercy killing...I'd have done the same.

That was my initial thought when the story began circulating a few days back, but from the helmet-cam recordings it just really doesn't seem to be the case at all, sadly.

Madam · 09-11-2013 01:17PM

Well this won't make the British anymore hated than they already are in Afghanistan:rolleyes: I fear that some rookies will be the next in line for a bullet in the back or a roadside bomb while on patrol but hey ho what goes around comes around eh?:(

Piliger · 09-11-2013 03:07PM

Madam wrote: »

Well this won't make the British anymore hated than they already are in Afghanistan:rolleyes: I fear that some rookies will be the next in line for a bullet in the back or a roadside bomb while on patrol but hey ho what goes around comes around eh?:(

As long as they take out a few dozen Taliban scum first.

Billy86 · 09-11-2013 03:16PM

Piliger wrote: »

As long as they take out a few dozen Taliban scum first.

So... you don't really care as long as everybody dies?

Madam wrote: »

Well this won't make the British anymore hated than they already are in Afghanistan:rolleyes: I fear that some rookies will be the next in line for a bullet in the back or a roadside bomb while on patrol but hey ho what goes around comes around eh?:(

To be fair the story would likely have been well known over there - finding him guilty and holding him responsible for what he did won't exactly make it magically go away, but will at least cushion the blow somewhat. My guess is the Taliban leadership wanted the soldier to get away with it for recruitment and propaganda purposes.

end of the road · 09-11-2013 08:19PM

scudzilla wrote: »

i know EXACTLY how the ROE (Rules of Engagement) work and the Taliban don't recognize them in any way at all so fcuk 'em, if a marine nailed one of them, fair play to him

no, not fair play to him at all, break the rules of engagement, you get locked up like the wild animals that the likes of this thing who was convicted is, this is fantastic news BTW

end of the road · 09-11-2013 08:23PM

wes wrote: »

Ok, that interesting, seeing as he was attacked due actions of the British military in foreign countries, you know the stated reason for there attack on him...... Your reasoning is rather questionable.... Seeing as a lot these guys are attacking and recruited on the basis of America and British foreign adventures.

I will note that a elderly Muslim man was also brutally murdered by a White Supremacist terrorist, the week before, and that was largely ignored by the media. Basically the exact same crime, also committed by an extremist terrorist, but I guess he had the wrong skin colour, so wasn't worth covering to the same degree. The same terrorist was also responsible for multiple bombings as well, and yet **** all media attention.

Good to see you openly support murder. Yes, I know the excuse will be, well the Taliban don't play by the rule etc, but last time I checked both sides have hardly played by the rules, and the British government violated all kind of laws, when they invaded Iraq, looking for WMDs that existed soley in Tony Blairs and Geogre W Bush imaginations. Then, there are revalations about torture, and the killing of prisoners (see the documentary Taxi to the Dark Side for example), and all the stuff that wikileaks has revealed.

So the entire pretending that one side is playing by the rules is a bit much, as we know better, after all the revelations over the years. No one gives a crap about the rules, and are basically doing as the please.

The only reason this guy is being prosecuted is that he was dumb enough to do it on video. I am sure there is far worse that we don't know about, that they are hiding, and what has been leaked is just the tip of the iceberg.

i'm afraid wes their will always be BA apologists who will excuse everything they do and then call the other side "terrorists"

bilston · 12-11-2013 10:53AM

end of the road wrote: »

and then call the other side "terrorists"

Aye the Taliban are a great bunch of lads.

That's not defending this particular British soldier by the way but in the case of Afghanistan the other side certainly deal in terrorising people.

RossyG · 12-11-2013 01:28PM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

The problem is the brits never adhered to the Geneva Convention, they regarded themselves above that. But they expect everyone else to respect it. Such is the brits regard for human rights, they have no idea what it means.

Except that it was "The Brits" who found this soldier guilty of murder.

Busted Flat. · 12-11-2013 01:41PM

RossyG wrote: »

Except that it was "The Brits" who found this soldier guilty of murder.

Like the ones found guilty in Northern Ireland, they served a token sentence, and were reinstated back to their units. That's what "Hearts and Minds" policy is about.

Piliger · 12-11-2013 01:58PM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Like the ones found guilty in Northern Ireland, they served a token sentence, and were reinstated back to their units. That's what "Hearts and Minds" policy is about.

I certainly should hope so. Get this soldier out and home and give him a medal.

Busted Flat. · 13-11-2013 12:07AM

Piliger wrote: »

I certainly should hope so. Get this soldier out and home and give him a medal.

The bigger the atrocity, the bigger the promotion, look at Mike Jackson.

Do you need any other examples, there are thousands.

Piliger · 13-11-2013 01:31AM

Excellent news.

end of the road · 13-11-2013 01:33AM

Piliger wrote: »

I certainly should hope so. Get this soldier out and home and give him a medal.

lock it up indefinitely, chained to a wall like the wild animal it is, discharge it from the army, give it no medals and take away the ones it has

Busted Flat. · 13-11-2013 01:40AM

end of the road wrote: »

lock it up indefinitely, chained to a wall like the wild animal it is, discharge it from the army, give it no medals and take away the ones it has

No you can't do that, Remember Hearts and minds, then they shoot you in the back, you get all sorts of medals for that.

Hilly Bill · 13-11-2013 01:46AM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

The problem is the brits never adhered to the Geneva Convention, they regarded themselves above that. But they expect everyone else to respect it. Such is the brits regard for human rights, they have no idea what it means.

Really??? Sure about that?

Hilly Bill · 13-11-2013 01:53AM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Like the ones found guilty in Northern Ireland, they served a token sentence, and were reinstated back to their units. That's what "Hearts and Minds" policy is about.

Rightly so.

Gatling · 13-11-2013 01:57AM

Is it murder when the terrorist is already there ,
30mm cannon and rockets fired at him cant have been a lot left in him

Geneva convention is useless these days

Royal Marine Found Guilty of Murder

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